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F1 vs Indycar

ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew

I was reading an article about Indycar compared to F1 - https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/indycar-2018-reveal-should-f1-follow-indycar-lead?wtk=outbrain-uk-002126ca6e84d69b473cb73cec05b41dbf.

I personally disagree with the idea of having a single chassis for all teams, as for me that isn't what F1 is about. However, I had an idea of a 'B category', where teams wanting to compete in this category could purchase a chassis, made by a single manufacturer, and although this may not be winning championships, it would have allowed teams like Manor, Caterham etc. to have had a lower cost way of racing in F1.

Perhaps, a decent amount of prize money could be put aside for the winning team in the 'B category', which would allow them to make the jump to fight in the midfield or at the front.

What do you think?

EDIT: Having read the comments, I just wanted to make it clear, I am not saying make F1 a one-make series. I was saying it should be an option for the teams with less money to use a standardised car and engine, thus saving them money on building their car and purchasing an engine. Then, if prize money was offered to the best of these teams, they could afford to progress towards making their own, competitive car.

F1 vs Indycar 31 votes

Yes, it would be great to see F1 take this approach.
16%
kingmjjFlybyLiverpoolrule19Unnamed25LSKone 5 votes
No, make F1 a one-make series.
12%
Dimitris85tiametdukTSTTia95DavexHaze 4 votes
No, leave it as it is
64%
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No, I have a better idea (Please explain in comments)
6%
FRACTUREDhaydn23 2 votes
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  • FRACTUREDFRACTURED Member, Drivers Champion
    No, I have a better idea (Please explain in comments)
    I don't have a better idea, I completely agree, but I think the last rules update made it borderline illegal ;(

    Customer chassis should be allowed or a spec chassis from Lola or someone that would allow cheaper access. There are plenty of lower formula teams good enough to run a team, think back to Jordan (they did design their own car of course but it was more affordable to do that back then) , hell even Super Aguri had a little success and I think theirs was an old Honda chassis perhaps. 
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  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    edited August 11
    FRACTURED said:
    I don't have a better idea, I completely agree, but I think the last rules update made it borderline illegal ;(

    Customer chassis should be allowed or a spec chassis from Lola or someone that would allow cheaper access. There are plenty of lower formula teams good enough to run a team, think back to Jordan (they did design their own car of course but it was more affordable to do that back then) , hell even Super Aguri had a little success and I think theirs was an old Honda chassis perhaps. 


    I know it isn't currently in the regs, but I think it could be something that they may have to consider, given the growth of series such as Formula E, and even before this, the number of teams has been going down in recent years, and some teams are barely hanging on (Sauber).

    I may be wrong, but I believe F1 is limited to 26 cars, because of Monaco, and I personally feel that would be great if they could fill all of them, even if 4 or 5 teams were in this one-make 'B category', and this category should provide close racing as the cars are the same, and like I say, the prize money idea could reward the teams for their hard work and give them a chance to fight at the front.

  • carpacarpa Member Race Steward
    No, leave it as it is
    I see the point in the IndyCar decision and I think that's good for them but this isn't what Formula 1 is about. F1 is the most advanced racing series in the world and, like it or not, it has always been about the best car. If you do a one-chassis grid or even just some standardized parts you take away the DNA of the serie.I know my opinion might not be so popular but that's it
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  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    carpa said:
    I see the point in the IndyCar decision and I think that's good for them but this isn't what Formula 1 is about. F1 is the most advanced racing series in the world and, like it or not, it has always been about the best car. If you do a one-chassis grid or even just some standardized parts you take away the DNA of the serie.I know my opinion might not be so popular but that's it


    I totally agree, and I think it should always be the best car and driver that wins the world championship. I was just suggesting this as an alternative for the lower midfield and backmarker teams - a massive step up from F2, but still a cheaper way to go F1 racing. Although, it should be made sure that this car wouldn't be as quick as the front runners, to ensure they don't end up winning the world championships.

    Similar to LMP1 and LMP2.

  • kevinkirkkevinkirk Member Race Engineer
    the point of F1 is what team can design a better car. 
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  • JamesGJamesG Member Pit Crew
    No, leave it as it is
    Leave it as it is, but bring back customer cars like in the 60s, and 70s.
  • carpacarpa Member Race Steward
    No, leave it as it is
    carpa said:
    I see the point in the IndyCar decision and I think that's good for them but this isn't what Formula 1 is about. F1 is the most advanced racing series in the world and, like it or not, it has always been about the best car. If you do a one-chassis grid or even just some standardized parts you take away the DNA of the serie.I know my opinion might not be so popular but that's it


    I totally agree, and I think it should always be the best car and driver that wins the world championship. I was just suggesting this as an alternative for the lower midfield and backmarker teams - a massive step up from F2, but still a cheaper way to go F1 racing. Although, it should be made sure that this car wouldn't be as quick as the front runners, to ensure they don't end up winning the world championships.

    Similar to LMP1 and LMP2.

    I understood your idea, I was talking about the proposal in the article
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  • Dboyking1Dboyking1 Member, Drivers Co-Driver
    I won't vote but it's a yes or no factor. It could be good because it will all be fair, it would really show the drivers ability not the car advantage. But on the other hand,  yes, f1 is a high tech sport and it shows the power of the tech make and the teams money.

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  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    edited August 12
    Dboyking1 said:
    I won't vote but it's a yes or no factor. It could be good because it will all be fair, it would really show the drivers ability not the car advantage. But on the other hand,  yes, f1 is a high tech sport and it shows the power of the tech make and the teams money.

    Yes, I totally agree - that is why I came up with this idea, as it has the best of both worlds - the champions will still be the best car/driver combination, as this car wouldn't be good enough to win the title. However, this additional category will give teams like Sauber, as well as teams from junior categories the opportunity to race in F1 for a lower price.
  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    edited August 12
    carpa said:
    carpa said:
    I see the point in the IndyCar decision and I think that's good for them but this isn't what Formula 1 is about. F1 is the most advanced racing series in the world and, like it or not, it has always been about the best car. If you do a one-chassis grid or even just some standardized parts you take away the DNA of the serie.I know my opinion might not be so popular but that's it


    I totally agree, and I think it should always be the best car and driver that wins the world championship. I was just suggesting this as an alternative for the lower midfield and backmarker teams - a massive step up from F2, but still a cheaper way to go F1 racing. Although, it should be made sure that this car wouldn't be as quick as the front runners, to ensure they don't end up winning the world championships.

    Similar to LMP1 and LMP2.

    I understood your idea, I was talking about the proposal in the article


    Ok, sorry I misunderstood. Anyway, I totally agree with you - Indycar has revolved around the drivers, being a one-make series for most seasons, but F1 has always been about the best car winning the championship.

    I may be wrong, but I think I heard a few years ago that Indycar would be allowing custom aero-kits, but they would have to sell them to any other team for a specified price, avoiding crazy costs for an extra tenth of a second.

  • scottishwildcatscottishwildcat Member, Drivers Champion
    (This should be in the World of Motorsport forum really, not the F1 Game forum.)
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  • likewiselikewise Member Pit Crew
    edited August 12
    If F1 ever did move to a single chassis supplier then someone else other than Dallara should design it because Indy Cars and Formula E are just about the ugliest race cars on the planet...
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  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    likewise said:
    If F1 ever did move to a single chassis supplier then someone else other than Dallara should design it because Indy Cars and Formula E are just about the ugliest race cars on the planet...
    Yes, although Dallara made the Hispania car a few years ago, and a car like this would be ideal - there is no way the car will win the title, but it will be a cheaper way to go racing for the teams towards the back of the field.
  • coolieboycoolieboy Member, Drivers Petrol Head
    A single make chassis will turn F1 into Indycar.  What F1 needs to do is control the cost of engines. 
  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    edited August 13
    coolieboy said:
    A single make chassis will turn F1 into Indycar.  What F1 needs to do is control the cost of engines. 

    I wasn't saying to turn F1 into a single make category - I was just suggesting an additional option, where teams towards the back of the grid could purchase a single make chassis for a specified price, thereby reducing their costs and allowing new teams to join. However, the top teams would still build their own chassis, so it is still the best team/driver combination who will win the titles.
  • haydn23haydn23 Member Petrol Head
    No, I have a better idea (Please explain in comments)
    I don't actly mind the idea of standardization, but there should be a base chassis. Then the teams should be told, do whatever u can to make that faster lads. It may also make it even closer than it is right now. I don't wanna see a budget restriction tho, it just makes it slightly easier and ofc cheaper for teams like sauber, and ppl from the outside might be more interested as it slightly less complicated to make a competitive team.
    I get it tho, that it takes away from the sport and so on, but rly it could fix multiple of the sports issues. Only ofc with engine manufactures left, to settle massive differnces within teams

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  • ForeverchampsForeverchamps Member Pit Crew
    edited August 13
    haydn23 said:
    teams like sauber, and ppl from the outside might be more interested as it slightly less complicated to make a competitive team.

    Yes, that was why I came up with this idea - I wouldn't want the standardized car to win the championship, but I would like to see it as an additional category, which was a stepping stone between F2 and the front running F1 teams, so basically an F1.5.

    I believe the prize pot is around 1 billion US dollars in F1, so if they put aside 75-100 million as an additional fund for the winning F1.5 team, then this may be enough, with normal prize money and sponsorhsips, to give that team a chance to progress to the front, producing their own car.
  • DiRTKiNG808DiRTKiNG808 Member Pit Crew
    edited August 14
    No, leave it as it is
    carpa said:
    I see the point in the IndyCar decision and I think that's good for them but this isn't what Formula 1 is about. F1 is the most advanced racing series in the world and, like it or not, it has always been about the best car. If you do a one-chassis grid or even just some standardized parts you take away the DNA of the serie.I know my opinion might not be so popular but that's it
    You have a good point. That is why there are different Motorsports. We get a verity. It's cool to see the one make chassis in Indycar. I can't wait for the 2018 season and 2017 has also been very good. F1 I think should stay the same because teams and manufactures designing and building their own car for an advantage has always been a huge part of the sport. It's in F1 DNA to have the different flavors and the 2017 season has been awesome so far. So, it's good for Indycar but leave F1 how it is and always has been because that's how we like it.
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  • FRACTUREDFRACTURED Member, Drivers Champion
    No, I have a better idea (Please explain in comments)
    I keep thinking of the FORD DFV engine from 67-82 being a race winning engine that any team could have bought. So when practically any team had access to a proven race winning engine, we had more development in other areas of the car. 

    The 26 cars limit is about right but I can remember the 107% rule they had as another means of keeping the grids from getting ridiculous. 
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  • DiRTKiNG808DiRTKiNG808 Member Pit Crew
    No, leave it as it is
    carpa said:
    I see the point in the IndyCar decision and I think that's good for them but this isn't what Formula 1 is about. F1 is the most advanced racing series in the world and, like it or not, it has always been about the best car. If you do a one-chassis grid or even just some standardized parts you take away the DNA of the serie.I know my opinion might not be so popular but that's it
    You have a good point. That is why there are different Motorsports. We get a verity. It's cool to see the one make chassis in Indycar. I can't wait for the 2018 season and 2017 has also been very good. F1 I think should stay the same because teams and manufactures designing and building their own car for an advantage has always been a huge part of the sport. It's in F1 DNA to have the different flavors and the 2017 season has been awesome so far. So, it's good for Indycar but leave F1 how it is and always has been because that's how we like it.
    :D How is my comment off topic? I guess some just need to correct others. o:)
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