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Unfair view rules, make DiRT games great again...

BoTyquattroBoTyquattro Member New Car Smell
Really don't understand why the exterior view are avaible in "sim mode" on DiRT 4....It' s a no sense...
The problem is the same since DR and now D4....
Inside view (Cockpit or dashbord) are so much difficult, for many, many, many reasons, than bonnet view, most view played for sure...
But the leaderbord is the same one...Not possible and zero interest to run togheter, and compare time ! 
If the leaderbord are not splitted, those game really need a filter by view (inside/outside), like the filter (assist on/assist off).
Equality question Codemasters , first rules in sport !!! ;)


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  • caerphotocaerphoto Member Wheel Nut
    What Porkhammer said. If you restrict yourself to cockpit mode, all you're simulating is what you'd see out of a 24"-diagonal window. In a real car you have much higher field of view, can turn and move your head, can feel g-forces, etc.
  • BoTyquattroBoTyquattro Member New Car Smell
    Well I personally can't see anything out of the cockpit view in-game, whereas I can see everything from inside a car in real life. I don't see why I should restrict my view by 50% because of like three people moaning about equality.

    No, bonnet cam is what works for me (and many others), so that is what we will use.
    Hi Porkhammer, with my respect !
    If playing "sim game" in a bonnet view is your idea of "sim racing", well...Really not mine, ever...
    The strange think so, why upload your video in Cockpit view...?
    Think 80% of bonnet view player can' t set the same time in a inside view...but, they trust the leaderbord, easy way, unfair way...
    So, is it indecent to ask a filter view inside/outside, to compare what is comparable...
    Sorry, but an exterior view in a "sim mode"...Just ridicoulous...


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  • PorkhammerPorkhammer Member Champion
    Well I personally can't see anything out of the cockpit view in-game, whereas I can see everything from inside a car in real life. I don't see why I should restrict my view by 50% because of like three people moaning about equality.

    No, bonnet cam is what works for me (and many others), so that is what we will use.
    Hi Porkhammer, with my respect !
    If playing "sim game" in a bonnet view is your idea of "sim racing", well...Really not mine, ever...
    The strange think so, why upload your video in Cockpit view...?
    Think 80% of bonnet view player can' t set the same time in a inside view...but, they trust the leaderbord, easy way, unfair way...
    So, is it indecent to ask a filter view inside/outside, to compare what is comparable...
    Sorry, but an exterior view in a "sim mode"...Just ridicoulous...


    I record my replays from cockpit view because that's what my viewers seem to like most. However, I record weekly events "live", and there it is very apparent that I use bonnet view. It's not like I'm denying it.

    Also, bonnet view is not really an exterior camera. A Dirt developer said so himself, though I don't remember who... but it was on the Steam forums.
    "it's the decisions you make, when you have no time to make them, that define who you are"
  • BoTyquattroBoTyquattro Member New Car Smell

    Also, bonnet view is not really an exterior camera. A Dirt developer said so himself, though I don't remember who... but it was on the Steam forums.
    "A DiRT dev said himself"...Strange opinion...Maybe, he drive cars like that so, i want see that... :D
    More than try to find wobbly arguments, you can answer at the question about the filter, only way to have the equality..!

    A reason that i really like iRacing ! Same rules for all "sim racers", just basics... ;)


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  • PorkhammerPorkhammer Member Champion
    I have no opinions on filters myself, as I ignore leaderboards.

    Maybe somebody that cares about results can answer.
    "it's the decisions you make, when you have no time to make them, that define who you are"
  • couger1981couger1981 Member Race Engineer

    Also, bonnet view is not really an exterior camera. A Dirt developer said so himself, though I don't remember who... but it was on the Steam forums.
    "A DiRT dev said himself"...Strange opinion...Maybe, he drive cars like that so, i want see that... :D
    More than try to find wobbly arguments, you can answer at the question about the filter, only way to have the equality..!

    A reason that i really like iRacing ! Same rules for all "sim racers", just basics... ;)


    Just so you know the main Dev used to be or still is a rally navigator so i think they know what there talking about.
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  • BoTyquattroBoTyquattro Member New Car Smell
    edited July 14
    Just so you know the main Dev used to be or still is a rally navigator so i think they know what there talking about.
    So, he navigate, or drive a car like that : 
    - Seat always at the center of the car (right or left hand drive)...
    - Never have any rain on the windshield, a windshield broken, windscreen wiper running...
    - and so many détails, but sorry, havn't the words in english, but everybody see what i mean...

    Or maybe, he can' t set a correct time in a inside view, not the only one... ;)

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  • WeamDreaverWeamDreaver Member Pit Crew
    I use inside view for immersion, but not for realism.
    Using cockpit view on a single screen is anyting but realistic. We have already missing inputs from seat of pants and many other sensory information. Crippling our main input, the driving view, with a tiny 2D window for our field of view is not making it any more realistic.

    The cockpit view is quite unrealistic, unless you have a triple screen setup or at least something like TrackIR.
    This goes especially for a rally game, where you are supposed to go sideways, which is indeed even more hard when you are unable to look into the direction you're going but instead are forced to always look straight out of the car.



  • kobeshowkobeshow Member Wheel Nut
    When I first played D4 I was under the impression that you could restrict the camera to inside views only in MP, but of course that is the only option that is not enforceable. It was kind of a letdown for me.
    Codies could have just tied it to the fearless difficulty aswell, there are ways to solve these kind of issues but I don't think CM really care about that part of their game.
    Well I personally can't see anything out of the cockpit view in-game, whereas I can see everything from inside a car in real life. I don't see why I should restrict my view by 50% because of like three people moaning about equality.

    No, bonnet cam is what works for me (and many others), so that is what we will use.
    And mister "I don't care about anything, but feel the need to justify everything" is just cute. Who would restrict your views? NOBODY, you allegedly don't care about leaderboards or MP so who would exactly stop you from using bonnet if CM included an option for people in fearless mode to be thrown together in MP/Leaderboards (for example, other ways to solve this aswell).

    The only problem I see with this is that the almost lifeless MP part of the game would be dead for the few people who try to race with inside views only.
  • FedemaisonnaveFedemaisonnave Member, Drivers Co-Driver
    I use bonnet view because in a 19 inch screen if I play on cockpit view I Will see 10inches of road, while a guy with a bigger screen would see the same size as I see in bonnet cam, and I don't want to split the leaderboards in screen size
  • PorkhammerPorkhammer Member Champion
    edited July 14
    kobeshow said:

    Well I personally can't see anything out of the cockpit view in-game, whereas I can see everything from inside a car in real life. I don't see why I should restrict my view by 50% because of like three people moaning about equality.

    No, bonnet cam is what works for me (and many others), so that is what we will use.
    And mister "I don't care about anything, but feel the need to justify everything" is just cute. Who would restrict your views? NOBODY, you allegedly don't care about leaderboards or MP so who would exactly stop you from using bonnet if CM included an option for people in fearless mode to be thrown together in MP/Leaderboards (for example, other ways to solve this aswell).
    I was just asking, trying to make sense of stuff. Tone down the aggro, little man. Sheesh. Eat pizza or pet a dog or something.
    "it's the decisions you make, when you have no time to make them, that define who you are"
  • caerphotocaerphoto Member Wheel Nut
    kobeshow said:

    Well I personally can't see anything out of the cockpit view in-game, whereas I can see everything from inside a car in real life. I don't see why I should restrict my view by 50% because of like three people moaning about equality.

    No, bonnet cam is what works for me (and many others), so that is what we will use.
    And mister "I don't care about anything, but feel the need to justify everything" is just cute. Who would restrict your views? NOBODY, you allegedly don't care about leaderboards or MP so who would exactly stop you from using bonnet if CM included an option for people in fearless mode to be thrown together in MP/Leaderboards (for example, other ways to solve this aswell).
    I was just asking, trying to make sense of stuff. Tone down the aggro, little man. Sheesh. Eat pizza or pet a dog or something.
    I think CM must have killed his dog or something, given the anger here.
  • kobeshowkobeshow Member Wheel Nut
    edited July 14
    ahaha ... you guys thought I was agressive? What a few caps letters can do. Too bad one cannot read intonation.
    You calling me "little man", and telling me to "pet a dog" is more belitteling and unpolite than me writing one word in all caps. You were not asking anything, there wasn't even a questionmark in your sentence. "I don't see why I should X because of few people Y" is usually a very entiteled position and apparently that can't be too far off since I have struck a nerve here it seems.

    Have a nice day.
  • PorkhammerPorkhammer Member Champion
    kobeshow said:
    ahaha ... you guys thought I was agressive? What a few caps letters can do. Too bad one cannot read intonation.
    You calling me "little man", and telling me to "pet a dog" is more belitteling and unpolite than me writing one word in all caps. You were not asking anything, there wasn't even a questionmark in your sentence. "I don't see why I should X because of few people Y" is usually a very entiteled position and apparently that can't be too far off since I have struck a nerve here it seems.

    Have a nice day.
    I was joking... dude, lighten up.
    "it's the decisions you make, when you have no time to make them, that define who you are"
  • Indigo121Indigo121 Member New Car Smell
    I'm always astounded of seeing POV videos of racing games online, including by some very popular youtubers, where like 85% of the screen is static cockpit. Do people watch these?

    Because of the way the eye works with its depth of field and focus, when you drive a car pretty much a 100% of your vision is the outside. There is really nothing "simulation" about cockpits in games. The most realistic simulation, given that a screen is flat, would be just the outside, with maybe a blurry edge of the windscreen at the very edges, just for effect. PCars almost nailed that, but even they zoomed out too much.
  • BoTyquattroBoTyquattro Member New Car Smell
    Indigo121 said:
    Because of the way the eye works with its depth of field and focus, when you drive a car pretty much a 100% of your vision is the outside. There is really nothing "simulation" about cockpits in games. 
    Everyone can give is POV about that...
    But, it' s not the question of the tread...I want remember it, guys !
    Can we run in a same leaderbord or without filters for an so huge difference of difficulty ? Equality question....

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  • DidzisDidzis Member Race Engineer
    Steering wheel (the physcial one), "windshield" (the monitor), another steering wheel (the in-game one), another windshield (the in-game windshield) - yup, cockpit view is realistic /s/
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  • Indigo121Indigo121 Member New Car Smell
    edited July 14
    Indigo121 said:
    Because of the way the eye works with its depth of field and focus, when you drive a car pretty much a 100% of your vision is the outside. There is really nothing "simulation" about cockpits in games. 
    Everyone can give is POV about that...
    But, it' s not the question of the tread...I want remember it, guys !
    Can we run in a same leaderbord or without filters for an so huge difference of difficulty ? Equality question....

    But dude, there are so many other factors to success: wheel or gamepad, wheel and pedal quality, screen size, triple or one screen, how much time to drive (in real life race drivers all get the same time on the track), is wife yelling at you to grow up. So many factors.
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