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  • carpacarpa Member Race Engineer
    versedi said:
    I have no idea.
    Maybe they have a big game, with a big license that they need to get out on a, tighter than usual, schedule and they need the workforce to get the job done properly and in time? You know, maybe...
    They're for sure working on something new, and I don't think it's F1 because that wouldn't be such a mystery... Codies have had the licence since 2010 so it's no news that they're working on it. ONRUSH is followed by a separated dev team, the ex Evo studious guys, and I don't think it requires more working force when they're so close to release. This leaves with

    - new DiRT or offroad game (WRC wink wink) altough hiring new people only NOW probably means that the release is quite some time away...
    - new GRID or TOCA game, the first one on next-gen (and by the response of the community this has more appeal than another DiRT, maybe because they haven't released any for sooo long...)
    - the new devs will just help improve Ego engine to make sure it can compete with other racing games products and maybe has less tendency to create nasty bugs (F1 2017 online I'm looking at you) but this again wouldn't be something top secret...

    I think there's a new game in the works, and that's a very good sign, but of which IP?

    "I race to win, of course. But even before of winning, I race to race. As fast as possible"
    - Gilles Villeneuve
  • warpengagewarpengage Member Race Engineer
    edited April 3
    carpa said:

    I think there's a new game in the works, and that's a very good sign, but of which IP?

    I'd, definitely, say something is in the works. Where are the GRID devs located? Are they in Southam as well? I know Birmingham is the F1 guys and Cheshire is the former Evo guys who are with OnRush.

    carpa said:

    - new DiRT or offroad game (WRC wink wink) altough hiring new people only NOW probably means that the release is quite some time away...

    Not necessarily far away. It depends on what those people are for. If they are core programmers, then yes, that means the engine, the technology needs work and that's where the largest chunk of dev time is. If those people are like: environment artists, UI, or vehicle artists, they could be there to speed up modelling of content. Adding content to a solid base is easier than building the solid base itself.
  • DytutDytut Member Champion
    Yeah, hiring now would be far too late to have an impact on a game to be released in autumn. On the other hand, if Codies has the licence for next years WRC title and are planning ahead for that.....

    Most likely there's a new Grid title in the works that'll be released late summer/early autumn, and a new rally game planned for next year. Dirt Rally 2 would be my guess, but WRC game would be awesome.

    Would be happy to be proven wrong though :-) 
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  • DytutDytut Member Champion
    Hey now... One of the new recruits has a NASA shirt. Remember a while ago when we were joking around about how much fun a moon based rally game would be?! THEY LISTENED! MOONDUST RALLY CONFIRMED!
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  • MiatakiasGRMiatakiasGR Member Pit Crew
    edited April 3
    versedi said:
    Is Christine on the far left of this photo? I hope they are making a new Grid or Toca game and the new devs to give with their talent better graphics because the last 2 codies games (Dirt 4 , On rush) look pretty outdated

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    Those comments are not allowed here, we want rally games, not grid or toca LOL ;p
    I hope it is for WRC gameee
    Do not be greedy , we got Dirt games within 3 years and no any Grid/Toca game on current gen (which is almost last gen) , now its the asphalt game turn you like it or not..
  • MiatakiasGRMiatakiasGR Member Pit Crew
    Do not be greedy , we got Dirt games within 3 years and no any Grid/Toca game , now its the asphalt game turning you like it or not..
    I get it, but he is kind of right, you know? These are the DiRT forums and this is the DiRTy Gossip Thread. There are GRID forums to be used to talk about GRID.

    Oh, and just because there hasn't been a GRID game in a while doesn't mean that Codemasters have to make one now or that it's even a good idea to make one now. It's not about greed, it's about the company being sensible. Look at the competition they face, on the market, when it comes to asphalt, circuit racing: Forza 7, GT Sport, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS 2. For me, PCARS 2, alone, is a GRID killer. It's GRID cranked up to eleven. Multiple disciplines, multi-class racing with an impressive selection of cars and tracks that is still expanding. There is no shortage in sim / simcade, asphalt racing games out there. It may not be worth the investment right now.
    1)Come on in this topic everyone speaks even for cooking recipies or whatever and your problem is i just said something about  the Grid/Toca game?
    2)Grid series is not exactly like the games you say (PCARS 2 , Assetto Corsa , GT series) which are to the sim side.. Grid series is simicade , for me Grid 1 might be the best game i ahve played the last 10 years , this game was so famous and loved by many gamers also had won some BAFTA awords , the target group i not the same as this of assetto corsa , pcars 2 , GT series.. Personally i would prefer a new asphalt game (either Toca or Grid) , after uninstalling the mediocre Dirt 4 i am back to the best rally game so far called Dirt Rally , i am ok with that for some time ....
  • warpengagewarpengage Member Race Engineer
    1)Come on in this topic everyone speaks even for cooking recipies or whatever and your problem is i just said something about  the Grid/Toca game?
    That's why I said he's only "kind of" right. This thread has gone off the rails many times before and will, in all likelyhood, go off the rails many times more. You can talk about GRID here, if you want, but you didn't just comment on GRID, you made a request for it, and that's not to say a straight up demand. When you want to request a game, it looks better if you do it in the right place.
    2)Grid series is not exactly like the games you say (PCARS 2 , Assetto Corsa , GT series) which are to the sim side.. Grid series is simicade , for me Grid 1 might be the best game i ahve played the last 10 years , this game was so famous and loved by many gamers also had won some BAFTA awords , the target group i not the same as this of assetto corsa , pcars 2 , GT series.. Personally i would prefer a new asphalt game (either Toca or Grid) , after uninstalling the mediocre Dirt 4 i am back to the best rally game so far called Dirt Rally , i am ok with that for some time ....
    The only real difference, or possible selling point, is the physics. GRID is a simcade and the others are sims (although there are those who say GT, Forza and even PCARS are simcade as well). However, that's exactly GRID's problem: people tend to want sims. One of the first questions that pops up, almost immediately, after a racing game is announced, is: is this arcade? Not because they want they want the game to be arcade but because they want assurances that it's sim.

    GRID (even as a franchise) only won one BAFTA award, by the way, not several. It did deserve the one it won, but there really wasn't anything much like it, at the time. The GRID series hasn't been doing so well since. It was famous and loved, as you said, emphasis on the 'was'. I don't see the hunger for it now, at least not in the racing game populace at large. If they were to release a GRID game now, even if it wasn't intended to compete against those other titles I mentioned, the simple fact is people would compare it to them, anyway, and reviewers would view the simpler physics as something that the game did not get to the level of the others. You may have the intentions of making a game for a specific group, but if the market won't see it that way, you're game won't sell. In the end, it's the behavior of the market that says whether it's good or not to release a certain game. Right now, Codemasters has a much more solid foot, in the market, with DiRT than they do with GRID.
  • DiRTKiNG808DiRTKiNG808 Member Race Steward
    But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
  • MiatakiasGRMiatakiasGR Member Pit Crew
    versedi said:
    Dytut said:
    Yeah, hiring now would be far too late to have an impact on a game to be released in autumn. On the other hand, if Codies has the licence for next years WRC title and are planning ahead for that.....

    Most likely there's a new Grid title in the works that'll be released late summer/early autumn, and a new rally game planned for next year. Dirt Rally 2 would be my guess, but WRC game would be awesome.

    Would be happy to be proven wrong though :-) 
    AFAIK there was a lot of QA positions available so I think that actually would be time to get more people on testing and assuring everything's working as intended.

    @MiatakiasGR why you need to write everything in bold?
    I just see the letters better..
    1)Come on in this topic everyone speaks even for cooking recipies or whatever and your problem is i just said something about  the Grid/Toca game?
    That's why I said he's only "kind of" right. This thread has gone off the rails many times before and will, in all likelyhood, go off the rails many times more. You can talk about GRID here, if you want, but you didn't just comment on GRID, you made a request for it, and that's not to say a straight up demand. When you want to request a game, it looks better if you do it in the right place.
    2)Grid series is not exactly like the games you say (PCARS 2 , Assetto Corsa , GT series) which are to the sim side.. Grid series is simicade , for me Grid 1 might be the best game i ahve played the last 10 years , this game was so famous and loved by many gamers also had won some BAFTA awords , the target group i not the same as this of assetto corsa , pcars 2 , GT series.. Personally i would prefer a new asphalt game (either Toca or Grid) , after uninstalling the mediocre Dirt 4 i am back to the best rally game so far called Dirt Rally , i am ok with that for some time ....
    The only real difference, or possible selling point, is the physics. GRID is a simcade and the others are sims (although there are those who say GT, Forza and even PCARS are simcade as well). However, that's exactly GRID's problem: people tend to want sims. One of the first questions that pops up, almost immediately, after a racing game is announced, is: is this arcade? Not because they want they want the game to be arcade but because they want assurances that it's sim.

    GRID (even as a franchise) only won one BAFTA award, by the way, not several. It did deserve the one it won, but there really wasn't anything much like it, at the time. The GRID series hasn't been doing so well since. It was famous and loved, as you said, emphasis on the 'was'. I don't see the hunger for it now, at least not in the racing game populace at large. If they were to release a GRID game now, even if it wasn't intended to compete against those other titles I mentioned, the simple fact is people would compare it to them, anyway, and reviewers would view the simpler physics as something that the game did not get to the level of the others. You may have the intentions of making a game for a specific group, but if the market won't see it that way, you're game won't sell. In the end, it's the behavior of the market that says whether it's good or not to release a certain game. Right now, Codemasters has a much more solid foot, in the market, with DiRT than they do with GRID.
    Ok i respect this and i dont speak more about Grid game but i will be happier with any Grid / Toca game than the 3rd codemaster rally within 4 years..
  • warpengagewarpengage Member Race Engineer
    But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
    For the same reason people, who like arcade games, want new ones to come out. Because new game-engines, better technology, better graphics, new physics and gameplay features, new selection of cars et al.
  • DiRTKiNG808DiRTKiNG808 Member Race Steward
    But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
    For the same reason people, who like arcade games, want new ones to come out. Because new game-engines, better technology, better graphics, new physics and gameplay features, new selection of cars et al.
    Exactly, so I would assume that the market for both games are equal in size. And some like myself enjoy both types of game.
  • dirt3joedirt3joe Member Petrol Head
    But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
    For the same reason people, who like arcade games, want new ones to come out. Because new game-engines, better technology, better graphics, new physics and gameplay features, new selection of cars et al.
    Exactly, so I would assume that the market for both games are equal in size. And some like myself enjoy both types of game.
    I don't think most people are sim crazy. Most people that seek out the specialist websites like this, pcars and f1 might be (ie 1% of the userbase), but the "standard" games purchaser isn't.

    The standard games purchaser wants to believe that the game is as real as possible but more so than this is fun to play. If it isn't fun to play then they will dump it in short order. Whereas your sim fanatic gets their kicks out of believing they are actually driving something as close to the real thing as possible. And if that makes the game difficult or unplayable, well that's just something to be overcome and enable them to claim they are "elite" compared to gamers.

    Sims are not where sales are at the moment. Look at PCars 2 vs. Forza Horizon and GT Sport.

    That said, it should be possible to go for both camps. It should be relatively easy to turn a sim into a less demanding experience. Turning a less demanding experience into a sim, that's the hard bit. Or at least should be.


  • MiatakiasGRMiatakiasGR Member Pit Crew
    I love both arcade and sim games..
    If CM decide to make a rally game i would like to be close to Dirt rally...If they decide to make aan asphalt game i would like to be either close to Toca 3 or Grid 1.. (i speak about handling , physics)
  • JZStudiosJZStudios Member Champion
    edited April 4
    I think the issue is that sim games really haven't improved all that much over the years. Compared to other games graphically they're definitely way behind, except for Horizon, which isn't a sim, so. I guess toss the main Forza in that too.
    I really hope Codies make a new engine and stop trying to constantly update Ego. It's just not working that well anymore.
    I love both arcade and sim games..
    If CM decide to make a rally game i would like to be close to Dirt rally...If they decide to make aan asphalt game i would like to be either close to Toca 3 or Grid 1.. (i speak about handling , physics)
    I just hope they make a Dirt Rally 2 and not a Dirt Rally 2.0 with slightly tweaked physics.
  • RallyDrivenRallyDriven Member Champion
    Grid is pretty dead. I’d like a new one, but the last two did poorly. There may be a surprise, but the dirt series is where the money has been for the past few years, along with f1 which is made in Birmingham studios
  • Jack4688Jack4688 Member Unleaded
    Combine rallying, rallycross and circuit racing and call it GRIDiRT
  • AreyoubenAreyouben Member Race Steward
    That's exactly what the TOCA/DTM Race Driver titles did. Good mix of pretty much everything.
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