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  • Re: All Tracks seems generated and repeated...

    JZStudios said:
    I get that the generation is quite limited, and shouldn't be allowed to duplicate the same section twice in a route, but I really can't figure out why you guys think DR was so much better. I didn't really even play DR that much and going back after 3 months I still knew the track without the co driver every time.
    I do kind of agree though that the sections could be made a bit smaller so instead of "There's that puddle, that means the next three turns are this" it just becomes "There's that puddle."
    I think the problem with that is, they would have to REALLY work on the tiny sections and surroundings (since it's tiled) or they'd have to randomly generate the actual track, and then the placement of roadside objects/trees, which becomes harder to QC.

    DR is limited by its content. The content however is great and the stages have personality. D4 is simply lacking in that department. Everything feels generic with a few exceptions. I can surely see the value of YourStage in the longrun but at the moment it is to limited in its variations which makes you end up almost everytime with the "same" kind of stage.

    I found a partial solution to the problem and that is creating some shorter stages 3 to 4 km with easy to medium complexity.

     I really hope Codies can further finetune YourStage in the coming months because it is something that has potential  :)
  • Re: DiRTy Gossip Thread

    @Rygar86 ;

    Connected T150 and PS4 controller and when in replay you can use the right thumbstick to move the camera in a limited fashion like DR  :) So that works perfect. 

    Maybe those inputs work also on PC. Worth a try maybe ;)
  • Re: All Tracks seems generated and repeated...

    I've only done careerstages so far and it has been a hit and miss. There are some truly excellent stages but many other stages suffer from repeating the same stuff over and over again.

    Example from the career
    - A truly great YourStage in career: Spain, Vinedo Els Reguers
    - Same corners over and over again: Australia, Sawtell Wood Ascent

    I already explained myself in the Gossip thread but I prefer the limited content of handmade stages rather than the unlimited content of YourStage.
  • Re: DiRTy Gossip Thread

    tbtstt said:
    dgeesi0 said:
    P308R said:
    @KickUp @ChristinaMc

    Yesterday I finally got a chance to play the game. I 've spend about 3 hours doing several freeride races as rallying stuff in the career. I'll add my experiences in here. I play on simulation with no aids.

    1. Tarmac physics: while being an improvement over Dirt Rally I can't help the feeling the cars are still skittish, have no real weight and do feel floaty. I have the impression that the "back" of the car isn't really there. The feeling on gravel is great. No complaints here.
    2. The menus: The menu structure is not very intuative and it feels cluttered. Navigation around requires a lot of button pressing and I prefered the clean and straightforward menus from DR
    3. Career setup: this is great. I like the way the player gets introduced and the way the career builds up in terms of length and complexity.
    4. Cars: Great sound and very nice to look at. Can't complain to anything I've driven so far.
    5. Replays: while the mixed camera is exactly the one from DR it missed the camera movement when paused. This gives no variation in capturing screenshots. A kind of freecam would be greatly appreciated. That you can hide the replay interface and disable the co-driver during it is great.
    6. Graphics: Can't complain here. The lighting is great and really adds to the experience when rallying. Cars are very detailed but textures and foilage seems less impressive than DR. Still great looking.
    7. Landrush: Did 2 races and I simply don't want to return to it anymore. It feels completely out of place and I struggle to enjoy it.
    8. YourStage: I know this has been a tech you've been working on for 3 years but I have my doubts about the stages being generated. It all feels very much the same and nothing actually stands out. The handcrafted stages from DR where thrilling, had an exciting layout and some tricky technical parts. YourStage simply can't compete with those handcrafted ones. I prefer to have the stages of DR with the quantity that came with it then the general YourStage. If you have done a few stages in YourStage all the stages created afterwards seem to borrow the same set of corners, combinations and layouts. Very noticable in career! Positive part of this is that YourStage gets the player in a flow very easily. Probably I'll end up generating a specific set for each location and stick to it. Question that rose to the occasion: I wonder how stages are created when YourStage would get a landscape which was more challenging for its algorithm and how to algorithm actually learns for not using the same subset of corners? 
    9. Overall: I won't be to severe with my judgement here since it is your first public outing for YourStage and I appreciate what you guys are trying to do with YourStage. It is to early to judge D4 but the general feeling I am left with is a positive one and most importantly I am enjoying myself a lot.
    nice feedback but this also kinda highlights why we are finding it hard to agree on the handling at the moment.tarmac is generally great gravel generally isnt perfect.who is right wrong who knows ? :D
    This calls for an Epic Rap Battle, Dirt Rally physics against Dirt 4. Who wins? YOU DECIDE!
    There is so much hate, 
    But I can feel cars weight, 
    And suspension now takes the load,
    Of those bumps in the road,
    DiRT Rally laid fresh physics down, 
    But now DiRT 4 takes the crown.
    Dirt Rally has the 208,
    Dirt4 can make you go straight,
    YourStage is the new kid in town,
    Sometimes those stages make you frown,
    Bears, Birds and Deer,
    Common get along and we go grab some beer,

    Totally crap at this... :D
  • Re: DiRTy Gossip Thread

    @KickUp @ChristinaMc

    Yesterday I finally got a chance to play the game. I 've spend about 3 hours doing several freeride races as rallying stuff in the career. I'll add my experiences in here. I play on simulation with no aids.

    1. Tarmac physics: while being an improvement over Dirt Rally I can't help the feeling the cars are still skittish, have no real weight and do feel floaty. I have the impression that the "back" of the car isn't really there. The feeling on gravel is great. No complaints here.
    2. The menus: The menu structure is not very intuative and it feels cluttered. Navigation around requires a lot of button pressing and I prefered the clean and straightforward menus from DR
    3. Career setup: this is great. I like the way the player gets introduced and the way the career builds up in terms of length and complexity.
    4. Cars: Great sound and very nice to look at. Can't complain to anything I've driven so far.
    5. Replays: while the mixed camera is exactly the one from DR it missed the camera movement when paused. This gives no variation in capturing screenshots. A kind of freecam would be greatly appreciated. That you can hide the replay interface and disable the co-driver during it is great.
    6. Graphics: Can't complain here. The lighting is great and really adds to the experience when rallying. Cars are very detailed but textures and foilage seems less impressive than DR. Still great looking.
    7. Landrush: Did 2 races and I simply don't want to return to it anymore. It feels completely out of place and I struggle to enjoy it.
    8. YourStage: I know this has been a tech you've been working on for 3 years but I have my doubts about the stages being generated. It all feels very much the same and nothing actually stands out. The handcrafted stages from DR where thrilling, had an exciting layout and some tricky technical parts. YourStage simply can't compete with those handcrafted ones. I prefer to have the stages of DR with the quantity that came with it then the general YourStage. If you have done a few stages in YourStage all the stages created afterwards seem to borrow the same set of corners, combinations and layouts. Very noticable in career! Positive part of this is that YourStage gets the player in a flow very easily. Probably I'll end up generating a specific set for each location and stick to it. Question that rose to the occasion: I wonder how stages are created when YourStage would get a landscape which was more challenging for its algorithm and how to algorithm actually learns for not using the same subset of corners? 
    9. Overall: I won't be to severe with my judgement here since it is your first public outing for YourStage and I appreciate what you guys are trying to do with YourStage. It is to early to judge D4 but the general feeling I am left with is a positive one and most importantly I am enjoying myself a lot.