codies are close with it, they have elements of a good system, and i dont disagree with losing a ton of rating (even if you DSC) for finishing low or last, same thing to applies in games such as iR, but how much you are punished for not winning and finished 3rd or 4th for example at like 2.4k is nuts, you lose like 50, and it takes 8-9 wins to get that back