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  1. zissakos1 said:
    JZStudios said:
    zissakos1 said:
    JZStudios said:
    By opposition, I look for triple screen support in games, and if I can't find it, I might ask the devs, who usually don't respond and then I just play the game normally anyways.
    To say you "Can't go back to normal gaming" is actually aggravating.
    Fun fact, I've also got 5.1 set up, but I don't throw a huge hissy fit whenever something doesn't support surround sound (Which is a lot.) I just play the game in stereo. For example, the recent Burnout Paradise remaster. Did I say remaster? I meant retexture mod. Anyways the retexture only supports stereo, where the original supported surround through a config, which is just... not present on the remaster. So consoles get surround, but PC doesn't.. which is super dumb, considering it's literally the exact same engine and everything, they just didn't "port" over the config.

    So to sum up, I have triple screens and surround, which frankly the majority of games don't support. Would I prefer the games to have full surround audio/visual support? Sure, hell yeah, but when they don't I don't flail around about it and shout about how many billions of people and dollars use them. I just play the damn game like normal.

    Since it's also related, Nvidia made some technology that helps set up both VR and multi-screen setups since both require multiple game cameras, but I sure as hell don't expect any company to ever actually make use of it, or for it to catch on at all. Just like every other Nvidia technology besides tesselation.
    Would you say the same if the game didn't support your Wheel? Would you play it with a Controller then? (Or KB&M?)
    Say you spent hundreds of Dollars on a Fanatec Setup. And then one of the most serious and best Rally game sequels didn't Support it! But Dirt Rally supported Fanatec gear!!

    I am sure there was a time in your life where you didn't have a Wheel. Can you "go back" and play racing games without one?
    Isn't that aggravating?

    Try to not hate us for a moment and try to imagine how it would be.

    That's how we feel everytime we read "oh there won't be VR Support at Launch. But maybe later!".

    We are just lucky that racing game developers have accepted that they must support a wide range of wheels - at Launch!
    Now the same has to happen with VR Support.



    For a CM game? Sure, they play great with a controller. People here on the forum use KB+M as well. Same story with the Forza games, of which don't support my wheel.
    Something like AC is a bit difficult on controller, but do able, as well as some other hard core sim games. KB+M is generally pretty terrible. CM games historically have all had pretty mediocre FFB and wheel support as well, but as long as they let you custom assign buttons and axis it works just fine, which again, is a global thing and not wheel specific. There's also some older racing and arcade games including Burnout Paradise (and it's remaster) that I have that don't support wheel.

    So... Yes, I can go back to not having one. I can even go back to single screen as I've mentioned before. Sometimes I just don't feel like dealing with the issues that NV surround inherently has since Nvidia doesn't want to support their own software products.
    Again I'll mention Burnout Paradise Remaster not having surround, when the original did, and yeah, I play in stereo.

    It's minorly annoying, but not a deal breaker in the way that I have to scream about it.
    And again, think about the fact that triple screen and ultrawides have been around for a decade now and they still aren't supported.properly or at all in a fairly large number of new titles. Or even better, think about surround sound, which has been around since the 70's yet theres exceptionally little media that actually uses it at all, let alone takes advantage of it.

    You bought an experiment and expect it to be applied to everything immediately which frankly is... stupid... on your part. Products that have been around for decades longer aren't properly implemented when it's already easier to do so and you're screaming to implement something new. It's really like Apple stuff. Sure, it's cool, yeah it might work better than some of the alternatives, but the alternatives are a WAY larger market, more accessible, easier to work with, and develop products for. Think about how many "superior" cable connections and dongles Apple went through that never caught on mainstream. USB C is just now starting to show up. You wanted to be on the leading edge, expect failure. It just happens. It's a gamble. Take what you can, but screaming about it flailing your arms around makes you loudest person in the room, that's it.

    Wow. It is stupid to expect DR2 to have VR Support since DR1 already had it and the groundwork has been done. Then please excuse me Sir. Next time I will ask you first before I say something like this.

    You are accusing us of having attidude while ignoring that it's actually you that attack us, just because we expressed an opinion and a desire, for which this Forums clearly are the place. Someone said we should adress it to the Devs: Well that's exactly what we are doing in this thread, because this thread seems to be the only one actively monitored and participated in by the Devs.

    And @Areyouben asked why can't we have/love both. Well that's exactly what we want. We VR users love you guys! Because without you, without a large user base, games like this wouldn't be possible.

    Yet I was the one being attacked just because I took a critical stance on one single Decision (VR Support) asking why not include it on Release (because that would be a no brainer to me) and suggesting it shouldn't be MUCH of an effort (an opinion expressed by others in the VR thread too). 
    Everyone was like "oh how can you be so naive, it just doesn't make sense from a busines PoV, blablabla". Guess what, I too know how businesses work.

    So as an offer of peace in the future I suggest this: When anyone expresses : why not vR? and VR is something you don't care about - don't attack him, don't invent facts and numbers, don't assume anything if you don't really know. Let the Devs answer. And a noble Position would actually be: "I might not have it, but hey Codies, he's right, why was this decision made? I might jump on thre VR Train as well in the future who knows". But I don't expect this, this would require a very mature thinking.

    Because one day you will be glad that there was enough of a critical mass to make something a de facto Standard - as steering wheels are today.




    Please shut up and go learn something you petulant child. 

  2. JZ maybe you should try VR. The difference between looking at a monitor or being IN the car is really adding a lot. That ix why VR users say 'no way back'.

    I just hope dirt rally 2 is a better dirt rally 1 and not like dirt 4.
    And I guess us VR users by now gave enough feedback to codemasters to decide VR needs to come. Maybe notvon launchdate but I hope they make it happen with first dlc.
    Yeah, because that's why race teams with unlimited budgets use VR.... oh, wait... they don't. 

  3. MTOJay said:
    EDDSkitz said:
    MTOJay said:
    KevM said:
    DiRT Rally 2.0 is coming and the entire forum turns to VR discussion.

    I don’t have it, I won’t miss it.  I’m looking forward to the things to come!!  B)

    well, just shows that there actually is demand for it right?
    No, because it's the same very loud 5 people since DR.

    well thats just full denial...

    look at facbeook, look at reddit, look at steam discussion, look here, look at youtube. look wherever you want. LITERALLY every other comment is about vr support and how the status is. i dont know how anyone can be that much in denial?!
    Again, it's the same SMALL group of people complaining. Facts are facts, and VR just doesn't make or break any title. Perhaps you should re-evaluate who's really in denial. 

  4. MTOJay said:
    EDDSkitz said:
    MTOJay said:
    the start crowdfunding.

    i am 100% positive that vr simracers would support that.

    heck make a freaking vr dlc and make it 40$ i dont mind. i would be buying it in an instant if its properly supported.

    there is no reason not to support it, all their games would benefit from them doing the work once for their "new" engine.

    there has been demand since every codemasters release after dirt rally and yet they never did anything.

    just do something and dont pretend that there wouldnt be demand. they playing the same record with the "we see if there is demand" they played with dirt4. there was demand, a lot of people wwant it, yet they never did anything.
    I think the only thing you'll find that does is prove just how small of a market VR really is. 
    i think the exact opposite would happen. in iracing about 10-20% are running vr exclusively. 

    there are more vr headsets on the steam hardware survey then there are steering wheels. just to put it in perspective.

    https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/Steamworks/controller/ownership/German.jpg

    i honestly have no idea why people who dont own vr are against it?! its not hurting you that other people has options. just as i want full vr support i think the same goes for full 3screen support. i want that everybody can enjoy it in the way he desires.

    Because it takes valuable time away from regular development, and regardless of what that "survey" says, I guarantee more people use wheels and even gamepads than VR for racing games. iRacing is an outlier because it's one of the few reputable sims that offers it. Even AC is JUST NOW implementing the feature. And next to iRacing, its arguably the most widely used sim. 

  5. MTOJay said:
    the start crowdfunding.

    i am 100% positive that vr simracers would support that.

    heck make a freaking vr dlc and make it 40$ i dont mind. i would be buying it in an instant if its properly supported.

    there is no reason not to support it, all their games would benefit from them doing the work once for their "new" engine.

    there has been demand since every codemasters release after dirt rally and yet they never did anything.

    just do something and dont pretend that there wouldnt be demand. they playing the same record with the "we see if there is demand" they played with dirt4. there was demand, a lot of people wwant it, yet they never did anything.
    I think the only thing you'll find that does is prove just how small of a market VR really is. 

  6. VR is still garbage and such a small minority of players, they won't notice the few hundred that refuse to buy because they are crybabies. 

    I'm hyped for this so far, they really have listened to every request worth making from the community, and that's just from the release statement!!!

  7. KevM said:
    EDDSkitz said:
    Yep, just like anyone that rallies with a subaru from pre 05, my handbrake works fine, no active center diff.
    Yeah, I had a 1997 road car back in the day.  The handbrake seemed to open the centre-diff, no bother with handbrake turns, you could actually hear something mechanical happen when you pulled the magic wand! 
    Yeah, the center diff is mechanical, but doesn't allow the front wheels to lock up from driveline shock... the automatics actually have an ACD that does a similar effect. 

    Nothing will beat a true subaru DCCD though.... got one on the 207 forester swap.

  8. Evilsmurf said:
    Basically, you need a switchable centre Diff. These are normally electronically controlled via a sensor on the hand brake and disconnect the drive to the rear wheels once the hand brake is engaged to allow the wheels to lock.
    It could also be mechanichal. You have to step on the clutch before puling the handbrake, but it's about the same ;)
    Yep, just like anyone that rallies with a subaru from pre 05, my handbrake works fine, no active center diff.

  9. JZStudios said:
    Evilsmurf said:

    @KickUp

    I know it's not possible to get the WRC licenced cars into DiRT4, but were do VW stand?

    Their not in the WRC anymore and as far as I know, the 2017 Polo isn't even eligible for the new WRC season as they didn't manage to get it homologated. So does it still fall under the WRC licence? If not, would VW entertain the idea of you licencing the new 2017 Polo for DiRT4? :)

    Would be awesome to have one of the new cars in DiRT4!

    Sorry if this question has already been asked and answered.

    Forza even lost VW. They seem to be a bit weird lately.
    They got into a bit of trouble recently for emissions, hurt their stock pretty good.

  10. EDDSkitz said:
    zoliRX said:
    Man, I can just imagine all this licensing BS being an absolute drainer. Just reading about it is soul-crushing.
    Licensing is a cancer for racing games development and future sales.
    Yup

    Honestly, at this point, we should just cross our fingers and hope all goes well with the licensing.
    I'd say it kinda hasn't already, and I know a few who would agree.
    How has it not already? They can only do so much, its down to the manfacturers and licence holders to give the final say. Not going well would be to have like 10 cars but we are getting 50+.
    That's my point, the manufacturers have already screwed it up... and while I know it's not CM fault, nobody is standing up and saying enough is enough.

    And God forbid any of you actually vote with your wallet.

    Edit: I was mainly referring to the content that already exists that would take either little or minimal work to add intent he game, that can't because some fat cat billionaire said so... 

  11. JZStudios said:
    EDDSkitz said:
    Busterbvi said:
    bogani said:
    There is reverb present in Dirt Rally. It's most noticeable during cartain camera angles during replay. The best example while driving is through the tunnel in Monte.

    I think most if not all cars we have seen are final when it comes to sound. Just mixing tweaks left.


    Interesting, I have never noticed it and I have a good 5.1 surround system. If it is there, it needs to be well enhanced, in reality, in the right conditions, the reverb sound overwhelms everything, Hairs on neck stand up, awesome sound, quite a rush !


    A good 5.1 system is only as good as its setup between amplifier and PC... also, DR wasn't the most surround optimized game. 

    The sound is definitely there for me, running a DTS surround and optical to the decoder. 
    Optical's you're problem.... maybe I'm wrong though, but optical can't handle uncompressed 5.1, so you're losing some definition there. I think DR works bloody brilliantly in 7.1~2ish. The gravel used to be much louder and really sounded like you were in the car, and you could hear the snap, crackle, pop of the exhaust behind you. The problem is (As is the case with most racing games) you're typically by yourself in DR, so the effects aren't quite as noticeable. When the i20 first released it seriously sounded like a pissed of panther behind me but I think they toned it down.
    Optical passes DTS just fine, I assure you... get above 44.1 and that's where it cuts down, but 48khz never really caught on in the broadcast world.

  12. Busterbvi said:
    bogani said:
    There is reverb present in Dirt Rally. It's most noticeable during cartain camera angles during replay. The best example while driving is through the tunnel in Monte.

    I think most if not all cars we have seen are final when it comes to sound. Just mixing tweaks left.


    Interesting, I have never noticed it and I have a good 5.1 surround system. If it is there, it needs to be well enhanced, in reality, in the right conditions, the reverb sound overwhelms everything, Hairs on neck stand up, awesome sound, quite a rush !


    A good 5.1 system is only as good as its setup between amplifier and PC... also, DR wasn't the most surround optimized game. 

    The sound is definitely there for me, running a DTS surround and optical to the decoder. 

  13. KickUp said:
    Areyouben said:
    Are there even any unanswered questions left? Paul has been killin em with the answers.  :D
    Yeah, but I didn't saw an answer about hillclimb discipline possibility :p
    Sorry, we are focusing on Rally, Rallycross and Landrush in DiRT 4. Pikes Peak made the most sense for us as it had a dirt surface. With that gone hillclimb loses some of its relevance to the DiRT franchise. 
    As much as I love Pikes Peak, I never thought of it this way and can't disagree.... stupid government making them pave it.

  14. KickUp said:
    789ifyz said:
    Alf72 said:

    @KickUp

    - There will be any " unique Pace Notes"? Like ex: Co-Driver yelling at us when we crash, or congratulating us when we beat a Stage Time... That kind of stuff. If yes, please make sure they will only play once in awhile, or they won't be "unique" anymore.

    If such comments exist, I would like to reiterate my point of the pace-notes taking priority over reaction - there's no point in the co-driver being more 'alive' and 'present' if it means he skips pacenotes.

    And while we're still on this topic, I +10,000 that earlier comment about having Samir's codriver as an option.
    It's bound to happen at some point, now that I've plus-over-9,000'd it...
    They will never take priority. 

    Samir's co driver is not going to happen. The original video was edited with malicious intent from a 40 minute video that Samir had originally posted. His Co Driver, Vivek Ponnusamy lost a major contract as a result of the video and I believe they sued the YouTuber who edited the video.

    The likelyhood of him being willing to come in and record something that has damaged his career is slim to none. If we were to get an actor in to 'simulate' it we would open ourselves up to a lawsuit.
    I had no idea, just looked it up and read the full story, its sad. I'm surprised the video hasn't been taken down since he was arrested for uploading with malicious intent?
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/motor-sports-executive-lands-in-jail-for-posting-funny-clip-online/article5056363.ece

    It was actually an executive at a different company that edited the video and was arrested. Apparently in India you can be held responsible for damages from "prank videos" because they don't have the same first ammendment rights as the US has. Pretty sure I heard places in Europe are like that too.

  15. KickUp said:
    Is the same ego engine used on dirt rally?
    I think all of us prefer head 2 head or special stages over rallyx and landrush.
    What about raid? Trucks more fun than buggies.
    Your stage is only for rally stages (point to point) or also includes closed circuits?
    When the car is totally destroyed, you have to buy another one or repair it magically?
    Soundtracks- Will happen the same as happened with the expired licenses on dirt2?
    What about anti cheat?
    I wonder how many daily tournaments won porkhammer ... you have to write on a paper so they are not forgotten?
    Game need ranking table in addition to the leaderboards times...like this http://www.atpworldtour.com/es/rankings/singles .
    Hope for a good products, DR left a lot to be desired.
    And please! This time put all the countries for nationality profile
    Im from Uruguay...Really annoying see "other"
    http://www.atpworldtour.com/es/players/pablo-cuevas/c882/overview  =)

    - Improved Ego engine but not a new one. 
    - No Raid this time. I want to do desert racing properly and we need new tech to do it. 
    - Your Stage is Rally only
    - Damage repair depends on your difficulty 
    - Yes, music licenses eventually expire
    - We are improving the anti cheat
    - We have commissioned a plaque for Porkhammer 
    - We have new ranking competitions for you to compete in
    - Sorry about your flag, I'll see what I can do

    This guy rocks... 

  16. Jepsertti said:
    EDDSkitz said:
    Jepsertti said:
    This thread has turned into Paul's Q&A :D Incredible that he's willing to answer our questions even though it's weekend!

    @KickUp since you confirmed that the Evo X R4 is going to be in DiRT 4, have you guys fixed the interior of it so it's LHD with proper Motec display etc.? Also, hopefully it will have proper torque curve and stuff like that so it doesn't rev something like 7500rpm :) In real life they change gears at around 5000-5500rpm.
    I build these engines for a living, red line is 7500 stock, and depending on turbo, als setup, etc... they will make power out past 10,500rpm.

    Hell, my turbo doesn't even spool till 4300.
    You build Evo X R4 engines for a living? Hmm, weird. I've seen and heard lots of Evo X R4's in real life and it's quite clear that they're not revving nearly as much as in DiRT Rally. Take a look at this video for example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yEyEiO5lEw

    The Evo X R4 should be driven with torque due to the nature of its engine in R4 spec. I know that there are some hill climb and rallycross Evo X's that easily rev over 7500rpm, but that's due to completely different rules. But watching that video you can quite clearly see how "wrong" the Evo X is in DiRT Rally so that's why I hope it would be more accurate in DiRT 4 :)
    I see what you're saying, they are just driving it like that to keep it in the torque band... look at the actual Rev meter in the middle, running about halfish.... 

    And I'll be running some races in a bit, but I felt the Evo would drive like this in the game too, I'll check.
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