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I'm actually quite glad to read that it's not just me @KevM!KevM said:
It IS an age thing, I cant use triggers for accel. brake, probably from years of Gran Turismotbtstt said:
Kids these days. Got no idea what real controller action is all about...RallyDriven said:I use X (square) as upshift and A (x) as downshift. B (circle) is my handbrake, and triggers are accelerating and braking. I hate using A and X as accelerator and brake!
Its X Square Circle all the way, my head still cant adjust to anything different! :)
Years of playing that way @SergeyTokarev. I'm fine with the triggers for arcade racers, I just don't find them precise enough when I'm trying to be careful with the throttle. I didn't know they had dropped the analog buttons for the PS4 controller: might explain why I find the rear wheel drive cars such a handful! :DSergeyTokarev said:Dualshock 4 dropped pressure sensitivity (analog) for all buttons except L2 and R2. I don't know why you want to use circles and squares like you did before in GT.
I'd definitely agree with that @RallyDriven. A capable wheel driver is that little bit faster, but you can still be quick with the controller. As you say, it's possible to beat the highest difficulty level with the controller.RallyDriven said:I think dirt is definitely faster on a wheel than a pad. But it's certainly incredibly playable.
Perhaps a question for @KickUp, but I wonder how they got such a good feel for the controllers. Are there are any significant changes (or hidden aids) for controller players? Does DR "soften" throttle/brake input for controller players even if all the assists are off?
Playing DiRT Rally with a keyboard would be truly impressive @BadD0g! I have tried with the XBox controllers and not really fared much better with those.BadD0g said:@tbtstt @KevM That's interesting that you guys prefer buttons for gas/brake. I have very little experience with Playstation controllers, so I don't know what the triggers are like, but on a 360/Xbone controller the triggers have long travel and give you really great fine control. I never had consoles growing up, it was always PC for me, I started with a keyboard (don't know how I ever managed that) and got a 360 pad when I started playing more racing games.
When we did the day at Codemasters last year the controller (Xbox) was my biggest struggle of the day: there was a bug with the custom controller settings, so I stuck with the triggers to save time messing round. The London launch was the first time I was able to play D4 with "my" setup and it made it a lot easier to identify the new handling traits. -
Road trip to Southam @Rallycameraman?Azoresst said:
https://twitter.com/rallycameraman/status/834160987305553920Rallycameraman said:All this talk about controllers and you've all missed some gossip. Tut tut.
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Kids these days. Got no idea what real controller action is all about...RallyDriven said:I use X (square) as upshift and A (x) as downshift. B (circle) is my handbrake, and triggers are accelerating and braking. I hate using A and X as accelerator and brake! -
That's not far off the default is it? I'm fine with brake on L2 and accelerator on R2 for arcade racing games, but I just don't feel like as have as much control in "proper" racing games like DiRT Rally and Gran Turismo: so I go old school and move those back to X and square!SergeyTokarev said:
I'm using this control scheme:tbtstt said:Clutch is on L1 and, when I'm using manual gears, I put the gear change on the triggers. As I was learning on the day though, I stuck with auto.
Works fine for me if I can't use a wheel.
Handbrake on R1 is a good shout, as I wouldn't have to keep moving my index finger back and forth for brake and handbrake: it's hard to break from what I'm used to now though! -
SirPhilMcKraken said:
THE CLAWWWWW!!!!!tbtstt said:
Haha! I don't really get on with using the triggers for accelerator and brake in "proper" driving games @BadD0g. So I have the accelerator on the X button (pressed with my thumb), brakes on the square button (pressed with my index finger), handbrake on circle (also pressed with the index finger).BadD0g said:
Dear god, man, what the hell are you doing with your right fingers??tbtstt said:
FINALLY. It's the moment I've been waiting for...ktulumympanem said:Did anyone post this before? If yes, then sorry ;)

...MY HANDS HAVE APPEARED IN A VIDEO WITH PETTER SOLBERG!
Clutch is on L1 and, when I'm using manual gears, I put the gear change on the triggers. As I was learning on the day though, I stuck with auto.
Looking at the picture, I'd say I was on the brakes!
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Haha! I don't really get on with using the triggers for accelerator and brake in "proper" driving games @BadD0g. So I have the accelerator on the X button (pressed with my thumb), brakes on the square button (pressed with my index finger), handbrake on circle (also pressed with the index finger).BadD0g said:
Dear god, man, what the hell are you doing with your right fingers??tbtstt said:
FINALLY. It's the moment I've been waiting for...ktulumympanem said:Did anyone post this before? If yes, then sorry ;)

...MY HANDS HAVE APPEARED IN A VIDEO WITH PETTER SOLBERG!
Clutch is on L1 and, when I'm using manual gears, I put the gear change on the triggers. As I was learning on the day though, I stuck with auto.
Looking at the picture, I'd say I was on the brakes! -
I can top both of those: imagine Kubica in a C3! :DFloatingGrass said:
Imagine the spectacle we'd get with a Camilli/C3 combo. Madness!Ferranis said:The citroen would have spun in the first corner. No Crash ;) -
FINALLY. It's the moment I've been waiting for...ktulumympanem said:Did anyone post this before? If yes, then sorry ;)

...MY HANDS HAVE APPEARED IN A VIDEO WITH PETTER SOLBERG! -
The Fabia and Polo are both based on the same platform, so I would imagine the engine and drivetrain would drop straight in. Set of extra wide R5 arches and a big wing and you are ready to go! :smiley:Dytut said:I wonder how much they could transfer from the Polo WRC to a potential Fabia? If they went that route a Skoda Qatar WRT might be what's cooking.
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There were suggestions about reshelling the 2017 Polo WRCars and entering them after VW announced they weren't returning for this season.KingOfCoins said:It wouldn't surprise me if they are using the fabia as a base for the new polo R5
But I really hope it's a new wrc developement. But then again skoda would probably have used the polo 2017. Or they could be building a new wrc from scratch.
If I recall correctly the official line from Skoda was that they weren't interesting from stepping up from WRC2 to WRC. I'll try and find the article when I get a moment!
EDIT: Found it, here you go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127113
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That is interesting, though I suspect it's connected to the Polo R5 development rather than a Skoda WRCar.Jepsertti said:Interesting...
https://www.facebook.com/rallyparadise/posts/1260047170753377
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I was in my late 20's when I got my STi and some of the insurance quotes that came back were utterly crazy. I had two years NCB at the time, but some quotes were in 5 figures!SirPhilMcKraken said:Insurance I think is definitely a killer today, I'm 24 and looked up insurance for a 2003 wrx wagon yesterday which I saw on ebay, quotes were around 2k and made me kri, the car itself was about 3k
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Yeah. Sad that this is the case, but that's the world we live in today. The number of manufacturers who push performance cars in that sector seems to be slowly dwindling. There is still interest there, but most manufacturers will lean towards producing cars for the masses, not a niche audience.KevM said:
It's better PR for a manufacturer to race a beefed-up volume sector supermini Fiesta/Polo/i20/C3, than try to push a £27k, group 20 insurance, £500 a year tax Escos/Impreza Turbo/Evo 10/Celica GT4 in fairnesscjl9 said:I'm not forecasting "doom." I just think we're going in the wrong direction.
Rallying would be a lot healthier if we used production-based cars which ordinary people could afford to own and drive.
I daresay that's a slightly unfair comparison: the cars were far less complicated back then and a special edition of a car like the Mexico was a far less extreme derivative of the production Escort than say a 4WD Polo or Fiesta would be today. Consider what goes into developing and modern car versus a car back then, costs have grown exponentially over the years.
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Really? I can't see why. When I was rallying Escort Twin Cams and BDAs (we grow old) Ford had a large network of Rallye Sport dealers selling large numbers of Mexicos and Escorts.
Insurance and road tax were far cheaper back then as well, so owning an everyday performance car was far less punishing on your wallet than it is today. Those cars had far more mass appeal back then, hence why so many of them were sold.
On the subject of Ford, I personally have a huge amount of respect for them as they are one of the few manufacturers who still include a range of performance cars in their showrooms, many of which (loosely) reflect competition cars. I'm still waiting for that Fiesta RS though Ford... -
Nice to see an article where they actually address the comments made, rather than just post an inflammatory headline to get peoples attention.BadD0g said:Jalopnik just did a write-up about average speed limits in rally for those interested: http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/why-rally-has-speed-limits-the-necessary-evil-no-one-t-1792456937 -
They will add a few more chicanes to the stages, average speed times will fall and the problem will be solved.
I'm not usually one to defend the FiA, but people seem to be jumping to conclusions based on one inflammatory headline... -
Although our reasoning may differ, I concur with @cjl9 in that I think the current regulations do have the potential to spell disaster. I daresay it's that potential that has got the FiA rattled.cjl9 said:Personally I think this has all the makings of another Group B disaster.
Rallying often struggles with public image and, despite the best measures being taken, the WRC already has a fatality to it's name in 2017. These cars are a huge leap forward, and the last time such progression was allowed unchecked, it ended badly.
The headline of that article is rather inflammatory as well: they are simply talking about bringing the average stage speed down by altering the stage. They are not talking about having drivers do the stage at half throttle...
...I disagree with @cjl9 here though. In an ideal world I would fully support this. I have said on many occasions that I believe the Group A period was the best for rallying as, in addition to the close competition it produced on stage, it also put a fantastic range of cars in the hands of the general public.cjl9 said:I think we should go back to production-related cars that have to be homologated in reasonable quantities: 500 springs to mind.
It would be MUCH cheaper for the manufacturers; many more drivers would be able to afford to drive them; it would be more interesting for spectators.
Forcing manufacturers to reflect competition cars in the production range is a costly endeavour though and, in the current financial climate, there are perhaps only a couple of current WRC marques who might actually consider it. I personally think such regulations would absolutely kill the sport. -
Good article @sqdstr, cheers for posting that!sqdstr said:
Example Neuville at Tour de Corse 2016:cjl9 said:
Not so. I bet you can't find any photos of a car without at least a rear number plate (absent accident damage of course!)KickUp said:
I don't know the full specifics but I think some do.warpengage said:@KickUp, I do believe some rallys will give wavers to allow certain cars to compete without a "legit" plate. Monte Carlo 2016 for instance. Is this true?
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Insurance for rally cars in France (at least for WRC rallies) is set on the car's number and not on the plates, so they don't have plates for French WRC rallies (Monte Carlo, Corsica and the old Rally de France)
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Here's a more detailed article about it:
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I cannot wait to get my hands on the rallycross Supercars now the handling has been revised...KickUp said:
I think I was happy with all the locations although in hindsight I'd have probably made the Welsh stages a bit longer.bogani said:Are there any particular car/location that didn't really turn out as good as you hoped for in DR @KickUp?
Car wise I think we managed to fix the Pikes Peak cars as best as we could in the final update but the Rallycross Tyre was just plain wrong and I'm glad we've managed to fix that for D4 now.
...and I really, really, can't wait to take a Group B rallycross car for a spin! -
"If you want out of here Nicky, you best start talking"!Areyouben said:Nicky Grist never signed any contract, they just locked him up on the test floor, strapped onto the D-Box. -
As brilliant as it is to see @KickUp answering so many questions, I can't help but think the game would already be finished if he wasn't spending so much time on the forum... :D
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With VW out, having M-Sport leading the manufacturers standings doesn't that surprising, but seeing a Toyota on top of the standings is a bit of a shock!RallyDriven said:I almost got my prediction right with Neuville winning! Shame another small mistake cost him and Hyundai big, but his first win this year is definitely coming, wouldn't be surprised at all if it was Mexico.
Who would have thought last year that we would have m-sport leading the points and a Toyota leading the driver's title?!
Thus far it really feels like the hype for 2017 was worth it, I really hope the rest of the season continues to deliver like this! -
Well I absolutely eat my words when it comes to the Yaris! I wasn't expecting the Toyota to even approach the podium in the first half of the season, let alone take a win!The Fiesta continues to look the most delicate of the new cars and Neuville is surely going to be the one to beat: if he can keep it on the road! -
This is properly cool, wish there was more testing in my neck of the woods!Rallycameraman said:Been out watching some more rallying this past weekend. Unfortunately the rally I was on had to be cancelled to horredous icy conditions, and marshals and safety crews unable to reach their locations. Luckily I got to attend a pre event test session with some nice WRC cars including an S14 Impreza WRC and Fiesta WRC.
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Yeah, it's still early days - and the conditions of both Monte and Sweden make it hard to gauge anything - but Neuville is certainly the early season favourite at the moment.
I too was hoping that Meeke would fare better this weekend. Gutted to see him tumble down the standings again.
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