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Pat (Liam's Dad) ran at Pikes Peak in another RS200. Pat bought the second RS200 as a rolling shell off Dietter Knuttel (who had been using it for hillclimb in Germany). They used some bits from the rallycross RS200 to get the car running, it was repainted (badly!) in similar colours to Pat's Caterpillar livery and it did a few demos in this specification during 2011 (most notably at the British Rallycross round at Lydden in August).gfRally said:Didn't Liam or his Dad run Pikes Peak with the rs200?
The car was then extensively reworked (with the borrowed bits returned to the rallycross RS200) for Liam to run at Pikes Peak in 2012. A scheduling conflict meant Pat drove the car instead though.
The rallycross RS200 was completely stripped and rebuilt back in 2014. It appeared in Pat's "Q8" livery at the World Rallycross round at Lydden in 2014. Unfortunately it caught fire during a demo run and was damaged. It has subsequently been rebuilt again and, with a bit of luck, it will be seen again this year! -
Incidentally - and while we are having an off topic conversation about rallycross - here is a pretty cool video* from a couple of years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUSplVTi19Y&feature=youtu.be
Modern versus classic rallycross cars!
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Don't me wrong, I love the 6R4, but in it's rally guise it was rather gutless without a turbo. I definitely see it as the least intimidating of the Group B cars though.Darhour said:Naturally aspirated engines produce decent output power as well as the cars empowered with those are rather easy to tackle and fun to drive compared to turbocharged ones. I would rather choose 6r4 over the other Gr B cars anytime. -
Yeah, the same engine was used as the basis for the XJ220. Where it had originally been 3.0L in the 6R4 it was 3.5L and twin-turbo for the Jaguar.dgeesi0 said:was that the same as in the xj220 engine. ? it was wasnt it.
it is quite interesting reading up on the metro 6r4s. when i used to watch will gollops just used to laugh out loud at how fast it was . :D
I was fortunate enough to get access to the 6R4.net track day last year and some of the owners had some brilliant stories about the history of their cars. It was pretty interesting to hear how many different engine sizes were tried in rallycross (there were 3.0L, 3.5L, 3.6L and 3.8L naturally aspirated engines). Gollop's 6R4 was ridiculous, it's funny when you watch the old footage how many times his car seems to remove the tyres from the rims! -
dgeesi0 said:the 6r4 in that colour was in dirt 2. wasnt it ?
Yeah. Gibson's 6R4 was in DiRT 2 and DiRT 3. Pat Doran's RS200 was in DiRT 2 (in the Hydrex livery and with Liam's name/number) and in DiRT 3 (with Liam as the driver, but with a livery derived from one of Pat's older liveries).RallyDriven said:
Only the yellow, blue and red one I think. Think it was in dirt 3 too, along with Liam doran's rs200dgeesi0 said:the 6r4 in that colour was in dirt 2. wasnt it ?
Yeah, I think Gibson's was a 3.5L, wasn't it @KevM? To give an idea of comparable engines, Gollop's bi-turbo 6R4 was a 2.3L and producing in excess of 750 BHP!KevM said:Yes, its been in Dirt 3 @dgeesi0 and yes, that's the very car that got the visit @tbtstt .
As far as I know, Gibsons 6R4 is currently running an NA Jag derived 550bhp V6.
Yep, fully agree with you there!KevM said:I still think its good news that Codies are looking at additional content, regardless of what it is -
The British Championship regulations allowed (and still do allow) Group B cars to be used. However there are weight penalties and, in the case of the 6R4, they must remain naturally aspirated. If a retro rallycross pack were to happen I think the 6R4 the vast majority of us want to see is Will Gollop's bi-turbo car...austinb said:Having said that tbtstt, is it not plausible that the same car has the potential to be reconfigured to a higher power output (depending of course on how the power was restricted from its potential) ie did it have a completely different engine for BRX? would it have same engine but many different components? or is it the same but with a simple air restrictor which could be easily removed to return it to bonkers spec?
...which of course had a very different engine configuration. Gibson's car may give some general ideas, but it won't help with the engine setup. Gibson's 6R4 also has more modern suspension fitted, so it's not going to handle like a Group B car did back in the 90's either.
As said though it would certainly be a starting point, as there aren't many period specification Group B rallycross cars out there. Notably Gollop's second car is now back in the UK, and the owner is trying to restore it to period specification, so that is one that CM may have on the radar if Group B rallycross is a possibility. -
Are you confirming this is the car that you heard the rumour about @KevM? If that's the case I wouldn't get too excited about a "true" Group B rallycross class yet.KevM said:

Remember this car? Its been revisited. Looks and sounds like GrpB RX may be a thing someday
I agree @F2CMaDMaXX , it may or may not add awesomeness to the RallyX part of DiRT Rally, but I have said for ages now that the official partnership would either warrant lots more content or a standalone game, ie: Dirt4 ?
Who knows what it means...? Plus, the online RX races in Dirt3 were always a real hit with the console users, many a nights fun was had!
Lawrence Gibson's 6R4 was last used in the British Rallycross Championship and, at that point, it was rather more restricted than the 6R4's of the Group B rallycross heyday, so I'm not sure how useful it would prove as research for a true classic rallycross pack. Still, it might give CM a starting point, so fingers crossed that a Group B rallycross class is on the horizon!
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Well it's not the answer I was hoping for, but this is still a pretty cool bit of information! You officially live in the coolest neighbourhood @KevM!KevM said:Within a 15 mile radius of my house, that I know of, there is :-
Impreza WRC S14 x2
Impreza WRC S9
Impreza WRC S8
MG Metro 6R4
MG Metro 6R4 Rallycross
Celica ST185 Grp A
Escort Mk2 2.0 Historic
Escort Mk2 2.5 Millington x2
Escort Mk2 2.0 modified x3
Lancer Evo X Grp N
Lancer Evo 9 Grp N
Lancer Evo 7 Grp N
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LESS TEASING. MORE INFORMATION.KevM said:The car he owns, has made it onto the Gossip wish list quite recently too!
It could mean an awesome future DLC pack, or perhaps it's early prep a new game entirely.
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Two years: that image is in the first post in this thread!arby100 said:
Did we just teleport back a year? :)couger1981 said:Could DiRT 4 be coming?
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There have been a lot of limited edition Subaru road cars @F2CMaDMaXX . I can only recall one that was available with 555 decals from factory, which was the Version II STi. Tweaked versions of the STi were produced for each generation year from 1996 onwards, these "V-Limited" cars were produced in limited numbers, with the total available being 555 for the first few years.F2CMaDMaXX said:Alright, question time for the 22b or similar?
555 branded car released officially? Embroidered seat with 555 ?
There is a good guide on the JDM four door classic STi Impreza limited editions on the Impreza555 site:
http://www.impreza555.com/road.htm
There were also a similar run of V-Limited editions for the two door (Type R) Impreza's from 1996 onwards, as @KevM mentions, some of these (I think Version V and possibly Version VI STi Type R's) were produced in a limited batch size of 555 cars. There have been several V-Limited newage (2001 onwards) Imprezas and newage Imprezas were also produced in "Spec C" forms for the Japanese market, which were essentially base cars for competition use. The JDM also got the S20x range (S201, S202, S203 etc.) which continues to this day. The "S" variants are more track than rally focused though, so no rally branding there.
We got a load of Impreza special editions in the UK; the Series McRae (1995, 4 door, 200 built), Catalunya (1996, 4 door), Terzo (1997, 4 door, 333 built), 22B (1998, 2 door, 424 built, 16 official UK models), RB5 (1999, 4 door, 444 built), P1 (1999, 2 door, 1000 built), UK300 (2001, 4 door, 300 built), WR1 (2004, 4 door, 500 built) and RB320 (2007, 4 door, 320 built). None of these were available in full rally colours, but the Series McRae, Catalunya, Terzo and WR1 all included rally related decals. And of course the RB5 and RB320 were both produced in honour of Richard Burns.
555 branding cropped up quite a bit in the early JDM special editions, but wasn't as prevalent on the first newages and of course it completely disappeared from 2003 onwards.
As for the 22B, that was only ever released in blue and without decals. I have seen one stickered up (at a Prodrive meet years ago) but that was done by the owner and not the factory/dealership!-
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Oddly if you look at the Sport quattro range on the Scalextric website...
http://www.scalextric.com/uk-en/catalogsearch/result/?q=sport+quattro
...the evolution cars are all correctly designated "E2" apart from the one you have pictured: the researchers must have had a day off when they released that car. :smiley:
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That someone at Scalextric needs to do some more research @VirtuaIceMan!VirtuaIceMan said:What do we make of this, from Scalectrix:
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Haha! Sorry @gfRally, my comment wasn't intended as a critique at your homeland! ;) I shall re-word my previous comment; I agree that £250,000 is a lot of money when it's a car that is suitable for a relatively limited market in its current configuration,gfRally said:
who said it was coming to Europe anyhow??? :P Seriously, I hope someone over hear buys it and runs it in America, Higgins could use some competition, and its almost making it boring like Loeb winning all the time.tbtstt said:
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one @dgeesi0. Don't get me wrong, I've been following the Fiesta build for almost four years now (check page 61!), I know how much thought has gone into the car and I absolutely love what he has done... but just read the specs for the HFHV. The components that are listed are top end; as already said the transmission and engine are basically the best that money can buy plus the car itself has been refined by a professional motorsport team after countless test sessions and competitive outings.dgeesi0 said:it probably wont be but wont be far off. the guy who build that isnt the usual garage mechanic. hes a professional and if you see the build you will understand.
250,000 for kens car still is alot. you could get better cars for the budget and cars that would appreciate more in value.
at end of day its all preference. id have for my money a subaru someone else would have a audi someone else would have kens car.nothing wrong with that.
I do agree that £250,000 is a lot though, especially as I think the car will require some significant changes to run in any European Championships. Having said that, it's a bit of motoring history in that it's the Gymkhana 5 car. -
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one @dgeesi0. Don't get me wrong, I've been following the Fiesta build for almost four years now (check page 61!), I know how much thought has gone into the car and I absolutely love what he has done... but just read the specs for the HFHV. The components that are listed are top end; as already said the transmission and engine are basically the best that money can buy plus the car itself has been refined by a professional motorsport team after countless test sessions and competitive outings.dgeesi0 said:it probably wont be but wont be far off. the guy who build that isnt the usual garage mechanic. hes a professional and if you see the build you will understand.
250,000 for kens car still is alot. you could get better cars for the budget and cars that would appreciate more in value.
at end of day its all preference. id have for my money a subaru someone else would have a audi someone else would have kens car.nothing wrong with that.
I do agree that £250,000 is a lot though, especially as I think the car will require some significant changes to run in any European Championships. Having said that, it's a bit of motoring history in that it's the Gymkhana 5 car. -
If @dgeesi0 is talking about the car I think then it's a AWD Mk.6 Fiesta @Rallycameraman. The chap has done most of the build himself, the car is finished to a very high standard and has already proven to be very capable on track...Rallycameraman said:
I seriously doubt someone built the exact same spec car as Block's for £100,000.dgeesi0 said:i just talked with porkhammer. he says he will give you the funds. i will leave it to you to collect it off him :D
lol at price of that car. a guy on passion ford build one himself for £100,000.
Little known fact that the HFHV cost very nearly 7 figures to build and develop.
...but it is no way comparable to Block's HFHV or RX43 in terms of spec. The gearbox alone in the HFHV probably wasn't far off £100K. Then add in the rest of the drivetrain, suspension, engine (from one of the most expensive builders out there) plus development... a total nearing seven figures doesn't surprise me at all. -
Haha! Block is actually the second owner of the chassis; it originally started life as Hirvonen's WRCar Fiesta... but he crashed it! So as a car with two previous owners, and with a pretty hard life so far, I'm sure they need to discount that price a bit...dgeesi0 said:minus the £100,000 for ken block driving it :D -
Brilliant! I'll send you my bank details @Porkhammer , let me know when the funds are on the way. :smiley:dgeesi0 said:i just talked with porkhammer. he says he will give you the funds. i will leave it to you to collect it off him :D
lol at price of that car. a guy on passion ford build one himself for £100,000.
You talking about the grey Mk.6 Fiesta build @dgeesi0 ? I seriously love that build, but the spec of Block's car is far superior. The drivetrain alone is probably worth £100K! -
I've a favour to ask the members of the forum; while I'm waiting for the console release of Dirt Rally, I have been thinking about taking a leaf out of @Rallycameraman's book and following my dream to go rallycrossing. With that in mind...
https://www.motorsportauctions.com/index.php?a=2&b=35736
...can someone lend me £250,000 please?
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I'm not in a rush to get one yet (especially as I don't want any more distractions from DIY jobs!). I shall make sure I have one ordered by the end of March so I'm ready to go on the 5th!RallyDriven said:tbtstt said:I can't wait! (though I still haven't bought a PS4 yet!)
I caved and got an xbox just before Christmas 2014. Luckily April 5th is in my easter holidays, just as I get back from skiing. Although, knowing my luck I'll break my wrist whilst I'm out there! -
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I have to say it would be interesting to compare the old and the new if CM were to include proper period Group B rallycross Supercars. Obviously they had lots of power, but I daresay the torque figures produced by unrestricted engines in the 80's and modern restricted supercar engines aren't that different, plus the modern cars are putting the power to the ground a lot more efficiently.dgeesi0 said:man i wanted the will gollop 6r4 in before.have mentioned it a few times. back to silly 700-800bhp :D
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If I was planning a perfect retro rallycross add on then I'd add both divisions from late 80's/early 90's European Rallycross; so Division 1 touring cars (which would have to include 500+ BHP RS500's!) and Group B populated Division 2.bogani said:
RWD rallycross would be awesome as well :)tbtstt said:
I suspect it would be a very hard addition for Codemasters to research, but it would be awesome if they could make it happen!Porkhammer said:Brutal cars, it would definitely make RX interesting once more. -
I suspect it would be a very hard addition for Codemasters to research, but it would be awesome if they could make it happen!Porkhammer said:Brutal cars, it would definitely make RX interesting once more.
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...and the Mach 2 Racing car:
Pat's got the most attention, but the Mach 2 car was actually faster up the hill! (By about 30 seconds if I remember rightly).
Would be brilliant to see one (or both!) of them added to the game.