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If I recall correctly the 208 T16 was heavily based on the 908 LMP1 car: sure the engine, drivetrain and rear aero were all from the LMP1 car.BrySkye said:
The 208 T16 meanwhile... well, it'd say it's closer to a LMP2 or even LMP1 car than GT3.
I say that because the 208 T16 weighs significantly less than a GT3 car with significantly more power.
875hp in a 875kg car.
Peugeot also claimed the 208 T16 produced more downforce than the actual 908 LMP1, so... that's a lot of downforce.
Not F1 levels, but more than you'd find on most other things.
When Meeke drove it he said it was stuck like shit to a shovel in the corners (or words to that effect!).
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Cheers! Missed it live, listening to it now!Azoresst said:DiRT Show: twitch.tv/dirtgame/v/42761927 -
@RallyDriven's estimated graduation date has now slipped to mid-2021. The console release of DR is expected to push it back even further.RallyDriven said:
I'm going to take a well needed coursework break to watch.thecraicbear said:I'm gonna rig the tele in the gym to show the twitch stream from my phone, so everybody can enjoy it.
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F2CMaDMaXX said:
DR does tell you that, on the loading ticker, though it's obviously an inside joke, i'm not sure newcomers would get it.tbtstt said:
Don't forget gymkhana and Christian Stephenson. When is DiRT Rally going to tell me that I'm totally rad and should put my replay on Yew Tube dude?RallyDriven said:Nothing will end the gossip thread. Here, I'll make it continue for a bit.
Why are there no toyotas or a Citroen ds3 wrc in the game? And where is the Subaru 22b WRC and the Quattro S1 E2?
Haha! Forgive me, I didn't know it was already in! Nice touch @KickUp , just don't let Christian near a microphone again...KickUp said:
We have a loading screen tip that says it ;-)tbtstt said:
Don't forget gymkhana and Christian Stephenson. When is DiRT Rally going to tell me that I'm totally rad and should put my replay on Yew Tube dude?RallyDriven said:Nothing will end the gossip thread. Here, I'll make it continue for a bit.
Why are there no toyotas or a Citroen ds3 wrc in the game? And where is the Subaru 22b WRC and the Quattro S1 E2?
Don't know what you mean. I've just been sitting here, relaxing and waiting for the console release...BrySkye said:
There's also a few people here cant play the PC version, like @tbtstt , who have been waiting a long time.
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Don't forget gymkhana and Christian Stephenson. When is DiRT Rally going to tell me that I'm totally rad and should put my replay on Yew Tube dude?RallyDriven said:Nothing will end the gossip thread. Here, I'll make it continue for a bit.
Why are there no toyotas or a Citroen ds3 wrc in the game? And where is the Subaru 22b WRC and the Quattro S1 E2? -
At this stage I'm not too worried. The fact that they are bringing DR to console and, as that preview says "it's pretty much identical to the PC version" makes me think that they haven't abandoned the original vision.MastaVonBlasta said:I have to admit I'm a bit worried about the suggestions in the article that Codemasters are now moving on to DiRT 4....
I would agree with you that the reception for (and success of) the game on console will likely dictate the future of DiRT. I hope that the wider console audience are as receptive to this game as we, the dedicated rally fans, are.
Seeing the first PS4 footage I absolutely cannot wait to get my hands on this. COME ON APRIL, HURRY UP AND GET HERE.
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Job3k said:Some new pics : http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/02/02/dirt-rally-on-ps4-10-things-you-probably-didnt-know/
Well that confirms Minicross: excellent! And...
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Think they were 7 minutes behind the lead S4 in Monte Carlo '86, weren't they?RyuMakkuro said:Well they managed to be 2nd in 85 championship with it, beating Ari Vatanen in 205. And in 86, they quit after Portugal, which was 3rd event of the calendar, while finishing 3rd in Monte Carlo just 7 seconds behind the winning S4. So I would say it was as competitive, just they quit early.
So if the Quattro E2 would join the Group B after all, we would have a very nice situation in Group B. 3 cars on each side of the performance range. The one in-game right now is the S1 after all ;)
Yeah, Blomqvist was second in '85 (and Rohrl third), but Vatanen missed the last four rounds and Salonen ran away with the Championship in the Pug. The 205 T16 won 7 of 12 rallies in '85: the Sport Quattro only took one! (and I think that was an S1, not an E2?) -
Perhaps (and it's a slightly off topic discussion) but the Quattro E2 was never as competitive as the Delta S4 or Pug 205.Dique said:
not exactly, there should be an audi in the higher group.tbtstt said:
So pretty much exactly like the rallies of the era then!RyuMakkuro said:So right now you have lower Group B (Metro, Quattro, RS200) and higher Group B (S4 and 205). -
So pretty much exactly like the rallies of the era then!RyuMakkuro said:So right now you have lower Group B (Metro, Quattro, RS200) and higher Group B (S4 and 205). -
Cool! There have been 206, 207 and Clio Supercars, but it seemed more logical that they would be S1600 cars. I know the addition of a "beginners" rallycross class was something that was mentioned a while ago. I was actually expecting Codemasters to opt for the Supercar Lites, glad to see the Super 1600's get included though.RallyDriven said:
There were classic mini RX cars and what we guess we're s1600 corsa, 206 and ummm.... The other one...tbtstt said:Damn, that video is private now, so I can't see the new cars! Are the new rallycross cars you are talking about S1600 cars or Supercars?
edit: Clio, that was it!
Nice to see the classic Mini get a go on the rallycross circuit. Have to say I was hoping for some classic rallycross content, though not quite that classic! :smiley:
Rallycross aside the addition of the Peugeot 208 is fantastic news. It's the most iconic modern Pikes Peak car in my personal opinion, so that's brilliant they've got it. And the return of proper colours for the Group A Impreza: AT LAST*!
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Damn, that video is private now, so I can't see the new cars! Are the new rallycross cars you are talking about S1600 cars or Supercars? -
Bugger! I didn't know you were entered for that: I'd have made more of an effort to get there if I'd known you were driving!RallyDriven said:
Yeah, it's been said so many times. There are reasons which a few of us know, but we can't say. They just aren't going to be in dirt rally unless something amazing happens at Toyota and Citroen's end.Rallycameraman said:I'm not teasing, I'm just stating what I have been told as every other day I see on here 'I hope we get a Toyota' or 'I hope we get the DS3 WRC' It ain't gonna happen. I know the reasons why, but it certainly isn't my place to say what they are, just know that there won't be any Toyota's and there won't be any more Citroens appearing.
Going off topic here, but didn't want to start a new thread. For anyone interested here's a video of me on the Brands Hatch stages this weekend, struggling in the rain on the wrong tyres, chasing Escorts and very nearly losing it through Graham Hill bend on the final lap!
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I was going to post the 22B stuff in the other Audi thread but, as that is now already on page 3, I thought the tidiest way was a new thread where all the answers are in the first few posts! :smile:
You didn't have to. When I wrote the original post the Subuaru/ Audi comment originally said "Subaraudi s1 e22b - keep that here, that definitiely belongs here', then someone else made the Audi thread so I edited the post and added the link.tbtstt said:Forgive the double post (especially as this is in no way DiRTy Gossip) but, based on all the comments, I have put all the answers to the S1/E2 and 22B/WRC debate in one place!
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/39555/the-confusing-car-name-thread-s1-e2-22b-wrc-etc -
Forgive the double post (especially as this is in no way DiRTy Gossip) but, based on all the comments, I have put all the answers to the S1/E2 and 22B/WRC debate in one place!
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/39555/the-confusing-car-name-thread-s1-e2-22b-wrc-etc
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Reliant Robin. Wikipedia has got this one right and there is no excuse for the latter! :smiley:RodgerDavies said:Is it "Reliant Robin" or "Robin Reliant" ?-
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That Impreza WRCar list you posted starts at S5: what happened to S1, S2, S3 and S4?
Good question. Prodrive applied an "S" designation to their earlier Subaru rally programs:
S1 - Group A Legacy
S2 - Group N Legacy
S3 - Group A Impreza.
Considering that each of these individual cars had the same "S" number for their entire lifespan, it kind of makes sense that Prodrive applied S5 to the WRC97, WRC98 and WRC99 as each were minor evolutions of the original World Rally Car design, where the WRC2000 was a complete ground up redesign and so was assigned a new "S" number.
And where is S4 you ask? There wasn't one. Prodrive skipped it and no one has any idea why!-
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Uh oh. You saw a classic Impreza with wide arches and called it a 22B, didn’t you? This is a common mix up, read on for enlightenment…
OK smart arse, if it’s not a 22B, then what is it?
Prodrive used "S" prefixed numbers to designate the various generations of Impreza World Rally Car they built. The 1997-1999 World Rally Car was the S5 and they continued from there. The full list per year is:
WRC97/WRC98/WRC99 - Impreza S5 WRC (the '98 and '99 cars had some improvements over their predecessors, but Prodrive retained the same S5 designation for all three years)
WRC2000 - Impreza S6 WRC (also known as the P2000)
WRC2001 - Impreza S7 WRC
WRC2002 - Impreza S8 WRC
WRC2003 - Impreza S9 WRC
WRC2004 - Impreza S10 WRC
WRC2005 - Impreza S11 WRC
WRC2006 - Impreza S12 WRC
WRC2007 - Impreza S12b WRC
WRC2008 - Impreza S14 WRC
So, depending on the particular year of "classic" shape Impreza you are looking at, it’s either an S5 Impreza WRC or S6 Impreza WRC.
Got it. Got any more useless Prodrive/Impreza naming facts?
Prodrive also used a similar system for their Group N cars, except these are identified by an "N" prefix, not an "S".
The only exception to the rule is the 2007 Impreza WRC, which was identified as the S12b WRC (rather than S13 as you would expect). The Japanese are a superstitious bunch and so Prodrive avoided the number with their car designation!
There is also an interesting anomaly late in the history of SWRT as, when the S14 wasn't ready in time, they put an S14 engine into an S12b chassis: that car (KT57 SRT) became a one off S12c.
That’s all great, but where does the 22B fit in?
The 22B was a road car released in 1998 and designed to emulate the look of the 1997/1998 Impreza World Rally Car. The two door, wide arch, Impreza World Rally Cars were on stages for well over a year before the 22B hit showrooms and its name is actually homage to the rally car: "22B" is hexdecimal for "555".
There is a lot of confusion between the 22B and the World Rally Cars of the era. This is compounded by the fact that there are a huge number of online articles about the 22B that contain incorrect information.
Officially there were 424 22B's (400 for the JDM, 24 for export). Of the 24 export cars, 16 were for the UK, 5 for Australia and 3 were prototypes. As with a lot of Subaru limited edition runs though, some of the numbers are a little hazy. It was originally stated that there were three #000 prototype cars (which were given to Colin McRae, Nicky Grist and David Lapworth), however a #000 was recently identified in the STI Mitaka showroom, which implies there were four #000 cars (I have subsequently read that David Lapworth actually got #400, but that's not been verified).
But they look pretty similar. How can you be so sure that’s not a privateer with a 22B on the rally stage?
Well first up – and as mentioned above – the 22B was a limited edition road car, so only a loon would risk bending one on a rally stage.
Critically though, the 22B was fitted with a 2.2L engine: WRC regulations of the era limited turbo cars to 2.0L so, by its very nature, the 22B couldn't be a rally car. Incidentally, although they look similar, the S5 WRC and 22B have different panels. If you look at the two side-by-side you can see it, it's most noticeable around the front end and rear arches.-
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Uh oh. You saw an Audi with a big wing and called it an S1E2, didn’t you? This is a common mix up, so read on for enlightenment…
Hang on, there are a ton of pages on the internet that all say “S1E2”, are you telling me they are all wrong?
Unfortunately the incorrect designation has been quoted and printed so many times now, most have accepted it as fact. Not convinced? Well click here…
http://www.ableitet.no/twentyS1/s1vse2.htm
…for the full story on the origins of the error and all the facts.
Thanks, but I haven’t got time to read all that. Make it simple for me.
OK, well this is an Audi Sport quattro...

...this was the base model, which was made available to the public through Audi dealerships. With 200 of these in existence the Sport quattro was eligible for Group B and, as per the regulations, Audi were then allowed to develop 20 evolution models for motorsport. This first motorsport evolution model was designated the Audi Sport quattro S1...

...and was homologated in May 1984. Audi Sport quattro S1 is the identity of the car as it appears on those homologation forms.
At the end of 1984 a new FISA ruling meant that all further evolution models had to be identified by the letter "E". Thus, where the second evolution of the Audi Sport quattro would have been the Audi Sport quattro S2, it instead became the Audi Sport quattro E2...

...the term "S1E2" is incorrect as it is in direct contradiction to the FISA regulations of the era, plus it doesn't follow with the Audi system for classification of rally cars (consider the designations that Audi used for the evolutions of the original Group 4 UR quattro. I.e. “A1” and “A2”).
Other than the aerodynamics, the E2 was a different car under the skin: the engine was revised and the drivetrain (including the gearbox) had been altered, so it's a very different car to the S1.-
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As we keep getting reoccurring posts on the naming of certain cars, I thought I would compile a thread with all the answers in one place. So, for any future discussions, people can be directed here.
If you’re here because someone has linked you to this thread, then chances are you have posted one of the dreaded trigger words. Now what did you say?
I said S1E2.
Go to post 2.
I said 22B.
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Best livery for the 6R4 in my personal opinion!KevM said:I noticed it in the trailer at the time, but thought it was possibly a community mod vid or the likes. I really like that livery, more than Rothmans! -
First car looks like Clemens Meyer Skoda Fabia. Think the second car is Stanislav Susta (Skoda Fabia). Third car is Mattias Thorjesson (Opel Corsa). Really not sure on the last one. Davy Van Den Branden, Citroen C2?Fedemaisonnave said:
The First one isnt a Skoda?F2CMaDMaXX said:So a bit reaching here, but. Paul has mentioned in the past that having a an alternative to get into WRX that is available to starters is something they'd like. Basically no one can start the game in WRX.
His #TBT post is a generic picture of a class, rather than a car, so i'm wondering if they somehow managed to get a couple of Super 1600 cars for the the console release.
http://twitter.com/Kick_Up/status/692799087712731136
Somewhat specific in mentioning 2011, although i guess that's a requirement for TBT posts.
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Have to say, with the attention to detail that we've seen throughout DiRT Rally thus far, the last thing I would like to see at this stage is gimmicks...RinusRally said:I stilll want a Reliant Robin Rally Edition, and some other gimmicky rally cars in this game. Maybe as bonus cars when you upgrade all cars in a certain era or drive-train.
...just my opinion though: the rest of you may feel differently! :smiley:
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