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  1. The assists settings on the pad must be broken because the driving experience and comments about the physics are like comparing night with day. People on pad complaining that the game is too easy and dumbed down. People on the wheel saying that the handling is a lot of fun and much more difficult than F1 2013. I am using a wheel and I concur with those sentiments. So we did a little test yesterday. We did 5 laps around Bahrain. Im using a wheel and the other 2 are using a pad. We were all running no assists except racing line with default setups and online equal cars. Below is the first video where no traction control is used. You can clearly see that off the line and out of slow corners the people on pad have a lot more traction. I have asked these people and they say they can just floor the throttle. That tells me that there is hidden traction control on pad or that the assist settings are broken and you cant switch traction control off even if its selected as off (on pad). On the wheel there is no problem, switch off traction control and it is off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08DfixOD154&list=UUY1PQWFyb_miymXbzjJGybg Seeing this set off alarm bells so I asked to do the race again. They kept to the same settings but I turned traction control to on. Immediately there was a difference. For the first time I wasn't mugged off the line or out of slow corners. I was able to nail the throttle much earlier like the pad boys were saying they could. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA-PdsR4oCQ&list=UUY1PQWFyb_miymXbzjJGybg Turning traction control to on, for me on the wheel, was making the driving experience similar to that of those on the pad. Here lies the problem... it is boring as fuck. The experience is horrible and easy and not how it is meant to be. Turn traction control off then I hear you ask... I cant because pad would be over 1 second per lap faster on a like for like basis. Codemasters have to patch this, its quite an obvious bug. I know this has been posted to death but the more people that come forward about this the quicker codemasters might fix it. Please excuse the standard of driving, this was the first races I done on this game... but it was enough to confirm the reports on here re: traction control on pad. Thanks.
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    Please don't patch out the handling

    You should have made it clear in the original post that you are using a wheel.... I agree about the handling on the wheel. BUT they need to patch out the assists on pad because even with all assists off it is clear they still have traction control and it has ruined leagues around the world due to advantages/disadvantages of a control device. It is not about the driver anymore which is why there has been a lot of complaints. Have the dumbed down pad handling as the default setting or whatever... but how hard would it have been to have it, so that when they turn assists off.... they actually turn off? That is how ridiculous this bug is.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    Yep, it definitely looks like the assist stays on even if you turn it off... I sincerely hope it is a bug and not by design, that would be ridiculous.
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    Please don't dumb down the handling on wheels

    So much for this new "evaluation system" though... that is what should have determined the end user experience for players. Casual racers with less ability should get the dumbed down handling and they would probably be happy with this as it is very easy to master. On the other hand, the evaluation system should have been able to distinguish skilled users and at least offered them the same experience wheel users get. I agree about the levels or torque on the wheel, you definitely get a level of immersion you don't get with any of the previous games.
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    Realistic Patch requests

    Hold on, where have codemasters said anywhere that they are definitely releasing a patch? Just curious because all I have heard so far is silence or denial. The pad handling is a bug by the way because experienced users are getting a dumbed down experience which they cant turn off. If casual gamers want that experience that is what assists are there for. The trouble is that the dumbed down pad experience is miles quicker than what equally experienced users can achieve on a wheel and as a consequence all the major leagues are considering what their next step is... it is that bad.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    Pad has better traction in the wet than wheel has in the dry! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Oj8BR2vr8 Read the description for the sp but in a nutshell, pad is over 2.5 seconds per lap faster than a wheel in the wet comparing relatively paced people on pad vs wheel. On pad, the guy was able to short shift into 3rd and then just floor the throttle and get no wheel spin. The guy on the wheel is getting wheel spin in 6th driving in a straight line. This is unbelievable how it can be this bad.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    Aye, its not a level playing field. If it wasn't for this contrast in grip and traction levels between wheel and pad, this would be a great game. As it stands, its ruined online racing. All the major leagues that support this game are contemplating not even running a league on this years game. The reason bugs like this aren't found during beta testing is because codemasters just give out preview builds for publicity.... to people who just upload videos to youtube in order to get views. If they want to iron out these bugs before release, they need to change their beta model. They should put it up for people on here to test it. People who aren't bothered about youtube popularity contests but actually want to make the game better. Year on year there are blatantly obvious issues in the game at release that would be spotted instantly if it was open to the community to test and not just a closed shop for the chosen few. This is why there is such a backlash every year, its that such obvious things are in the game in the first place and then the silent treatment from the development team just further adds to the frustration.
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    My thoughts on pad handling

    The wheel might be faster through fast turn in corners but isn't that the advantage of having a wheel? Its not an artificial assist that is doing that, its just the wheel is a better device for taking those corners. Whilst I agree that the wheel has an advantage in those corners, such corners are sparse.... there are just a handful of such corners. Whereas there are hundreds of traction zones where the pad is just a lot faster, not because it is a better input device... but because it has hidden stealth assists running in the background. At least give the player the option to turn the assists on/off if they want. No assists should mean no assists regardless of what controller you use.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    We have done side by side standing start comparisons between pad and wheel and there is definitely traction control on the pad. Off the line pad is 4 or 5 car lengths faster and its the same out of hairpins and any other slow corner.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    Nail. On. The. Head.
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    2014 is shite...

    The assists are there to dumb it down if people want to dumb it down... If people want to turn assists off, they should get the assists turned off experience. It shouldn't matter whether they choose to race on a wheel or pad. This is effectively 2 different games depending on what controller you use. No assists should be no assists.
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    2014 is shite...

    The point he is making is that the game is broken if you use a pad. Its not a wheel vs pad is better debate... its that on a wheel the game is working as it should. Hopefully they patch out the broken handling on the pad.
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    2014 is shite...

    It feels like assists are on because they are... If you are using a pad. Traction control is on whether you want it or not and it doesn't matter if you switch it off. It says it is off but it is not. It must be a bug because throttle application on the wheel is very difficult and not like it is on pad at all. I wouldn't be surprised if braking was messed up too because it does feel very easy without ABS.
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    Traction Control question

    In previous games it was quicker to turn traction control off if you had the ability to control your throttle and not spin up the rear tyres. On this game it is much quicker to have traction control on medium and just floor the throttle out of 2nd/3rd gear. The car doesn't bog down at all. All of that applies to wheel users, people on pad have medium traction control whether they turn it off or not... it just doesn't turn off.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJOTFLiDsFI&list=UUTfnagmCfYlkz0BWKu7sEaw You can see the difference between pad and wheel just in a straight line in this video. From about 2 mins onwards.
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    Another "Traction Control is ALWAYS enabled on PAD" Thread

    This isn't a wheel vs pad debate because that is just personal preference. The debate is about different driving physics depending whether you drive with a wheel vs pad and that is wrong because as it stands, pad users have over a 1 second per lap advantage than wheel users just on traction. I want to be able to race my pals whether they use a wheel or pad without constantly having to harp on about unfair advantages... As it stands, we cant start our league as it is... and a lot of online leagues are in turmoil over this. How can any legitimate non assists league allow pad users when it is crystal clear that pad users have traction control even when it is turned off? I like the handling on the wheel, the limited running I have done has been enjoyable and how I expected it to be. Pad users should have a similar experience, not a night and day difference. People on pad saying this is a lot easier than F1 2013 and the cars are on rails.... Wheel users telling the opposite story. It is a joke. Unlike previous F1 games where turning traction control off meant you could go quicker as long as you could handle the wheel spin, this game is slower if you turn traction control off. With traction control set to medium (on wheel) you can plant the throttle and get no bogging down at all. The same as for pad users with TC "disabled". Traction control in itself is too over powered because it is faster and that is wrong, but first please make pad and wheel on a level playing field.