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Liscious

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  1. johnnyw said:
    MrDeap said:
    I agree they need a patch. I have a G25 & a XBOX 360 gamepad. I can definitely tell the gamepad is a lot slower.
    You are kidding, right? If both pad & wheel are used without assist pad is up to 2s lap faster at races. With wheel you just dont have any traction out of slow/medium speed corners, which makes it worse is that tyre wear is like 50x on wheel compared to pad, which basicly has no tyrewear at all, just lapping faster & faster lap by lap. While with wheel after few laps rears are toasted and its like figure skating.

    GoldenColt said:
    Wheel users are paying a few hundred quid for their wheel, the least we can expect is to not be at an enormous disadvantage.
    No hard feelings against pad-users, I used to be one aswell some time ago, but all I'm asking is for pad and wheel to be as close as possible performance wise.

    And atm it's not even near to close.
    That is exactly what I wish too. I just remember back to f1 2012 where it was close between pad and wheel.
    But atm i don't see pad up to 2 sec faster a lap in race or that pad has "much" better traction. I'm racing against wheel drivers and i don't see there a huge advantage/disadvantage for anybody, maybe at the start for pad drivers but with time and practice wheel drivers hitting the start as good as pad drivers. Also traction in corners are pretty the same so if there is a gap of "2 sec a lap in race" then it is not based on pad/wheel but on setup/wheel configuration. For example at spa I drive side by side with a wheel-driver and in corners like the first and last one where traction really matters we drive very equal ( both all assists of) both are very careful with accelerating, maybe there is a hidden tc on pad ,I don't know, but that doesn't allows you to  push very hard while accelerating that is just not the case. With pad you have to be very careful with the gas too. Spa is another good example .. sector 1&3 pretty balanced between pad/wheel but in sector two with lots of fast corners where "highspeed-grip" matters there is again a gap of 7 to 8 tenth and that is just too much.

    All I want is just racing ... no matter which car you driving or you driving pad/wheel ... just racing on as equal terms as possible because it is very frustrating to loose in one sector up to one second while the other two sectors are well balanced between pad/wheel

  2. My thoughts on the pad's steering:

    Steering with a pad is a pain in the behind. Its too unresponsive even though the front end is very grippy. I like the fact that Gran Turismo 5 incorporated a slider for steering sensitivity as it would be very welcome in this game. Austria's S3 is a good example as you have to slow down just enough and turn in at the perfect time to make the corners without eating grass or you will lose heaps of time slowing down to much. You just cant make any fast steering corrections. F1 2013 was alot better in this regard.
    Thank you mate. I totally agree with you. The "turn-in" is very unresponsive in comparison to wheel-drivers. Like you said sector 3 in Austria or sector 3 in Germany are very good examples where pad drivers loose a lot of time against wheel drivers. With a lot of time i mean about 0.7 to 1 second. For example in Austria ... sector 1&2 are well balanced between pad an wheel but coming up to sector 3 wheel drivers will beat the hell out of pad drivers just because they have much better "turn-in" and it seems they got  a lot more grip in fast corners. A friend tested Hockenheim with wheel and pad and in the first corner of sector 3, the fast right turn, there was a speed gap of 15-20 kph ( wheel 15-20 kph faster ) with same setup, car etc. . Fast corners with pad are just like you are driving a tank because you get no response from the car. Furthermore slow chicanes like in Monaco are also very poor to drive with a pad because it needs a lot of time for [ don't know if it is the right word ] "direction switches".
    Another thing is i can't understand when people are saying pad drivers have full traction control even it is switched of. When I'm coming into the last corner in Melbourne and push the gas straight down in third gear (even in fourth gear) with a little bit of turn in  the car instantly breaks out so I have to be very careful with the gas.

    I'm just hoping there will be a patch to balance wheel and pad better like it was in 2012 because loosing up to one second in sectors with "fast-turn-in-corners" is way too much
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