Ahh, the wonderful PC Leaderboards. Yeah, I already know how fubar they are. My time on Tupasentie (pc) would qualify as a top 50 on 360, even higher if the cheats taking the 'suicidal through the trees' shortcuts had been removed. I wouldn't have commented if you had said the pc Top 40 times are cheats. But your post says that ALL top 40 times are cheats, it doesn't specify a platform. Which is not true. I know for a fact that about half the top 40 times on 360 are legit, because I've either followed the ghosts to check, or raced the guys posting the times in various competitions, both on the old DiRT3 forum and others. Gerbie, any time below a 2.20 for Tupasentie is dubious at best.