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  1. That's funny, because most people who watched the DR2 Stage Rally finals enjoyed the one by one passes through the stage, like super specials.  What I would definitely do is have the drivers in a mini screen on there all the time, and one window showing the previous competitors watching as well (same as WRC+ really)


  2. Just forwarding some feedback here we generated in the DiRTy Discord, posting here so that more people from the company can review some of the discussions and suggestions by the community. Yeah Sorry it's long, I already trimmed off some irrelevant things.
    3:19 PM]Rainbow/Maxiem:
    Your addition was needed imo @bn880 Especially the cuts though. Really hurt the image of the event.
      (on cuts) :
    5:11 PM]RSR SereneLogic: The way I know some league fix this, is by having the top 5 send in video recordings
    [5:12 PM]bn880: yep, and codies have the recordings automagically
    [5:12 PM]RSR SereneLogic: So if you finished top 5 in the qualifiers, you receive an email, and you send the video link, as unlisted
    [5:12 PM]bn880: nice
    [5:12 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Should be possible even for an automatic email system to be set up
    IT geek talking
    [5:13 PM]bn880: they have the telemetry for eSports logged. (ghost data)
    [5:13 PM]bn880: just didn't want to invest the time to review the top drives (for cuts)(edited)
    [5:13 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Added a few minor tweaks to my stuff
    I somehow forgot to mention the weather, two stages per qualifier and the actual announcing of ya kno, those who went through
    [5:14 PM]bn880: anyway, I think one of the very main issues with the qualifiers is that it was based on the one off one chance qualifiers (Rally). anything that's similar to that I think is a fail :regional_indicator_f:(edited)
    [SNIP]
    [5:16 PM]RSR SereneLogic: The issue of Qualifiers will always persist, as there is no optimal way to do it
    [5:16 PM]bn880: why do you need to reset several times?
    you technically dont need to reset anything
    from day 1 of the competition to the finals
    [5:17 PM]bn880: just set cutoffs
     in a championship format
    [SNIP


    [5:18 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Ah yes, that
    [5:18 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Well you see, technical difficulties are still a thing
    [5:18 PM]bn880: you don't have specialized qualifiers. you just have a world championship with thousands of drivers. and at X times/events you cut off the slowest guys
    [5:18 PM]RSR SereneLogic: And I feel if you can't guarantee a game is 100% working all the time, you only can't do one big cumulative(edited)
    [5:19 PM]bn880: until you are left with 128, 64, 16, 8 etc.
    it's one possibilty
    [5:19 PM]RSR SereneLogic: What you could do is make 3 big qualifier rounds of which the top 4 cumulative go through
    That mitigates it a bit
    [5:19 PM]bn880: IDK about that, it's how monthlies basically run already
    [SNIPSNIP


    [5:20 PM]RSR SereneLogic: PRoblem: TT focus, Solution: More stages before a person goes through(edited)
    What way they go about this, doesn't matter 😛
    [5:21 PM]bn880: well it does though, because you can improve that a tiny bit, or make a revolution and make it awesome
    [5:21 PM]RSR SereneLogic: As I said, there's always external factors you have to take into consideration, and you also can't make it too complicated or people won't understand
    Hell the amount of times I had to bloody explain this time's cumulative was mindboggling
    😂
    [5:23 PM]bn880: I am not making it complicated nor exposing it to more external factors
    technically the 1 or 2 stage one off qualifiers are exposing you to more risk as it's very reliant on perfection
    you could even give people in the World Championship 3 chances to put in their best time for each stage of the championship(edited)
    so you limit hardware/tech issues
    nothing complicated about a championship
    [5:24 PM]RSR SereneLogic: A mini-championship of 2/3 rounds would be a nice way to decide a qualifer tbh
    You'd have the same amount of qualifier "rounds" just bundled in 3 championships, each letting through the best 4, I'd assume
    [5:26 PM]bn880: we're getting there yeah(edited)
    I mean unless the worry is that the fastest guys will set a lead of 20 points or something ... then ok
    [5:26 PM]RSR SereneLogic: You'd have maybe 2/3 stages per event, as time's still an issue, then 3 events per championship, same car class for a singular championship, diff class for the others.
    [5:27 PM]bn880: I understand that there needs to be a little bit of a climax on a specific date, but for that you can Pause the competition at a certain points spread
    and save the rest for the aired events
    some stuff like that
    so the only issue I do see with one long champ, is the possible lack of climax on final day (and again , there are ways to work the champ to fix that)(edited)
    you could do double points on the final for example (R2 does stuff like this)(edited)
    anyway I think we've made progress :adamo:
    I think the current qualifiers should be discarded completely as a basis for improvement, start from scratch with fresh ideas.(edited)
    Andrea-Adamo-Interesting.jpg?width=500&h


    [5:39 PM]RSR SereneLogic: I mean, I think that's gonna happen anyways for the complete format
    I'm sure someone can come up with a brilliant idea we could never think of
    as long as it's brilliant I'm fine with it
    [5:39 PM]bn880: of course (and hope so)(edited)
    [5:40 PM]RSR SereneLogic: If I was paid to come up with good ideas and a structure, I'd invest more time in it
    And since they'll be paid
    😛
    (I hope they pay them at least)
    [5:40 PM]bn880: but what we saw so far didn't even sniff brilliant in it's life(edited)

    SNIP


    [12:46 PM]Riggs: the climax of the final event is easily solvable
    just make the whole year long championship serve as the qualifier
    and keep the final event the way it is currently, with a couple of tweaks here and there
    problem solved, structure done.
    this way you have both a thrilling championship, with lots of coverage opportunities(edited)
    and an epic final event
    whereas this final event wont have the silly playoffs for a last deciding stage
    it'll be like the first part of the stream
    and the winner is the one who gets the best cumulative time
    to be honest i find that to be the most believable structure we can have
    [12:52 PM]bn880: yeah that works or make somehow the main championship run to the end with some smart tinkering(edited)
    [12:52 PM]Riggs: the problem of running the championship to the end is only one:
    you can have a champion before the final LAN event
    [12:52 PM]bn880: that's what I have been addressing
    [12:52 PM]Riggs: otherwise it'd work
    thats why i presented with a solution for that
    [12:52 PM]bn880: double points on final event, and cut off final event by doing maths mid season if needed(edited)
    [12:53 PM]Riggs: thats too much tinkering already XD
    and double points might not cut it
    [12:53 PM]bn880: well R2's have this
    plus you can get points for stage wins
    works IRL (makes it interesting)(edited)
    [12:53 PM]Riggs: because ths way people will see their yearly performance penalized
    [12:53 PM]bn880: yeah but its more penalized when you wipe it and start a new micro champ
    [12:54 PM]Riggs: thats not penalized
    it just sucks 😄
    wait i thught u were talking about the current way
    [12:54 PM]bn880: I'd first try to really do the math and analysis on running 1 champ. and see if it can be guaranteed to work with a reasonable finale
    [12:54 PM]Riggs: the thing is
    if u cut so much
    [12:54 PM]bn880: points per event dont HAVE to be equal, you can add more on the table for finals
    [12:54 PM]Riggs: it'll end up being like a micro champ
    inside a big one
    know what im saying?
    [12:55 PM]bn880: yeah well that's kind of what you're asking for anyway with a climax
    [12:55 PM]Riggs: yea but for example
    [12:55 PM]bn880: but this way the original champ still has some nice continuity
    [12:55 PM]Riggs: u run from monaco to wales
    all the 12 rallies
    12 stages each
    [12:55 PM]bn880: ok
    [12:55 PM]Riggs: and then on the final
    [12:55 PM]bn880: yeah maybe, I know what you are saying(edited)
    [12:55 PM]Riggs: u'd run all the rallies as well
    but maybe 1 stage each
    instead of focusing on wales only
    i dunno
    personally i'd be ok with having a big wales finale
    it's nostalgic
    but for coverage it can be a bit dull
    [12:56 PM]bn880: well, they COULD make the final one stage per each event , aired live with double points
    if they wanted
    so all locations would be hit
    lots of options
    whatever they do, this time trialing stuff needs to go
    [12:57 PM]Riggs: for good
    [12:57 PM]Malkael:
    Without degradation build up for each successive drive about the only reason to want to be first is lack of pressure chasing someone else's time. Though instead you get the pressure of setting the first time and not knowing what the benchmark will be. So IMO they might as well have no even bothered having the qualifier part. They could have just run several one-to-two stage points scoring events. Harder to have a run away winner if the deciding factor is points from event placing rather than time difference unless someone clearly deserves to win due to event consistency.
    [12:58 PM]Riggs: but thats rallying malkael
    it's also about consistency
    and consistent drivers should be prized
    right now it's all about time trialing
    100% tryhard 0% consistency
    the goal is finding an even spot
    this year has been better
    [12:59 PM]bn880: well I mean the drivers, a lot of them are consistent (to different degrees) but yeah the event structure overall is very luck based(edited)
    [12:59 PM]Riggs: the D4 one was way worse
    but still
    a good way to prize a consistent driver would be adopting such hardcore championship for the qualifier
    your prize is a ticket to the finals in england(edited)
    if u win it or not, well thats up to u later
    yea @bn880 , theres not even repairs or surface degradation in play during any part of this world series
    why did they develop it all then
    [1:01 PM]Malkael:
    Still better than having a one off shoot out for the victory if they don't want to go all in. Because consistency obviously becomes a larger factor the more racing is done, whether that is in stages per event or number of events run in the championship.
    [1:01 PM]bn880: I disagree, they even destroyed my run with a surprise degradation :troll~1: (but yeah I know)
    adamo
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    [1:02 PM]Malkael:
    Everyone is afraid of Adamo, even Codemasters. :troll~1:
    adamo
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    [1:02 PM]bn880: They better be
    Adamo_upset.png
    [1:04 PM]Malkael:
    Maybe they can follow their own rules better next time too, or change them. All those rules saying 18+ age requirement which put some younger people off entering due to thinking they were inelegible and then the RX winner is under 18 anyway.

    [SNIP]


    [3:04 PM]DamianGC ( WeRT_Babana 😞
    tbh a championship based in almost 0 rules to avoid practice between stages for example, corner cutting and so on is not a good solution. You should take into account all of this stuff. Some of us work hard for that kind of clean competitions. It is hard but is doable. :wink:(edited)
    (wrong tag sorry, @Riggs ) ^(edited)


    [3:15 PM]Riggs: yeah but thats why you have community clubs
    for esports it should follow with strict rules, because thats what esports is all about
    please can someone do that copy pasting work : D
    [3:20 PM]DamianGC ( WeRT_Babana 😞
    copy & paste the whole channel ??


  3. 11 hours ago, SereneLogic said:

    Honestly, the Qualifers I'd not do much different than this iteration. I'd maybe lessen the amount of Qualifiers to 6, letting 2 through per Qualifier, dropping the cumulative as that was confusing for most.

     

    I couldn't disagree more on this point, go the opposite with cumulative only but organize it so that people can properly track the times.  Again, the current format is anti rally and note only that Qualifiers are the largest part of the event.


  4. One possible format for Rally qualifiers would be a kind of extended/slowed monthly (championship) with a specific series like R5.  Everyone can enter and everyone is in when they start, and after certain weeks / events a number of participants makes it through to the next stages or event depending on points.   Calendar of events and conditions should be published on day 1.  As well as equipment that will be used in the finals.

     

    This is just a very quick suggestion, and I would need more time to come up with more comprehensive suggestions as I don't organize clubs and don't have that much time on my hands right now.

     

    Either way, I think that at least 6 fastest drivers didn't make it to the finals due to the breakup per platform.  And the fastest guys (PC) who made it in Joona/Mickey and others made it in DESPITE the format, not due to it.

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  5. Totally agree with SereneLogic.  And I would like to add some things that were missed from a fan perspective, and as someone who also spent days practicing for the qualifiers:

     

    In the open Qualifiers; Codies would announce which series of days would be the next qualifier out of 8 total.  However they would never write on the websites or on "paper" what hours they would open and close.  This was not entirely professional and kind of tripped me up once personally.

    Second: The degradation levels of the stages were not published to everyone, so there people who sent slower or already qualified team mates to collect the info, and got an unfair advantage.  (this was easily predictable before organizing it).     Apparently it was  possible to go deep enough in the WS menu options to see the deg level I am told and sitll be able to back out without a DNF, but this was not at all clear from the menu and opposite to Dailies/Weeklies etc.

    Third:  Qualifiers that consist of hot lapping to get in, and a single shot, are absurd.  Not what rally is really about.

    Fourth: Lots of things were permitted in the qualifiers that were later not permitted in the semis or finals, such as but not limited to; controllers, keyboards, gross cuts.  If you want to qualify for X you need to test X during qualifying, not Y.  This is what happened here testing other skillsets during qualifying than during final competition.

    Finals: WOW, where to start. Even with all the stuff already mentioned there was the fact that a 16 year old won the RX final, who is technically not allowed to participate according to the regulations set forth in the qualifiers.  (not that I am for blocking people by age, but what are rules if not rules.)

    Obviously choosing one car is also bad in the final, no less a manufacturer (VW) who spewed thousands of tons of toxic diesel emissions into our atmosphere by cheating recently, and some of the execs are still running away from justice on that so it's not over and resolved.

     

    Anyway, basically these events need to be organized so that consistency of rallying pays off (not one time luck based shootouts). And all the Intel people need to compete should be provided by the organizer (other than practice and learning the game).   Nothing should be left for under handed tactics like sending off team mates to provide sneaky info, times should be published, setups should be open from day 1 and so forth.   It should be a fair competition from the start.


  6. I have noticed that going from 2D to VR that there is a very very strong (and unrealistic) lock to horizon in the car.  Might help many people with motion sickness I think, but I need to try the opposite which I am used to, which is to allow some realistic shake.  Need it to at least experiment to see if it will help reduce pretty severe motion sickness a tiny bit in my specific case.

    So is there any way to disable this feature to a level similar to "max head shake" setting in the option menu without VR? (note this setting does a lot of shake compensation already and is partial horizon lock)

    I would like to add that this feature is pretty terrible as it keeps horizon lock even as your car tilts 30% to one side across road features etc, it's very disorientating for me!

    If not, could this please be added as an option that's off by default? (you can add a red comfort indicator on it if you please or hide it in the configs, just let it be possible)


  7. On 12/19/2019 at 8:06 PM, KolysioN said:

    - Official = in the game by default, made by Codemasters.
    - Not official = with the @Codemasters authorization, I will upload it as an "add on" to play offline, without censor, cause in the past they have censored me many times about the modding.

    Dirt Rally 1 has ACAT mod, Dirt 4 has ACAT mod, Dirt Rally 2 has ACAT mod (under the table = wait for the Codemasters authorisation)

     

    https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/wrc-8-mods.29473/

    here you have a mod which modify the physics, with more or less grip.
    For Dirt rally 2.0, it's possible to have it, so I wait for an authorisation too.

    Oh I see, so you want to collaborate with CM to integrate your mod into the game.  Normally to do that you would email them in the background and see if they are interested.   It's very rare that a mod is interesting enough for a developer to integrate it to their game, but of course it happens and often the modders are paid.


  8. I'm quite sure this is an auto wiper feature that was left to auto on by design.   Hope they kill it in 2020.   I guess the logic is : "how can you enable intermittent / smart wipers or even know they exist if they only enable once in a while, so lets leave them on by default"

    Or something crazy like that. 🙂


  9. Damn, I just realized, I hope lock to horizon can be turned off in VR.  or that's going to break the immersion for me once I get a headset ... 😕             In terms of non VR, yeah it's not really a massive issue for most people that you can't lock your horizon.  It's a little bit of a rarity that people who like rallying want a very smooth experience in terms of car and horizon shake.  It's a bit of the experience of rallying, that the real sport is a fair bit violent in the car.           having the feature might be a good thing for the minority, but yeah, definitely a small minority from what I can see and reason.    Just sucks that it affects some people very negatively like @orangejuiced83      People don't choose to get headaches or get dizzy from games, but it is what it is.

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  10. Just to clarify I tested the jumps.  I am not saying the sliding around sideways on the ground is perfect.  I think *suspect* there is actually a small bit of an issue with excessive combined grip on gravel when the car is going sideways and loaded up, but this I have not tested as it would take grabbing some real life data logs from the same car on similar bends to verify.


  11. Most likely the 50% analog range possible now is considered enough by them...   but man, if they release future seasons/content in 2020, maybe they should reconsider this (and TBH also the clutch nanny).  These are the basic/core aspects of the game/sim.  The driving bits.


  12. There is no reason to break things up per platform other than a technical limitation. (possibly legal/financial as well)  The point is that it doesn't make sense from customers' / competitors' perspective.

     

    Edit: But yes, if you HAVE to break it up, have separate eSports programmes for each then. Separate champions.   (this would make more sense anyway)

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