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You just need to re-read my first post.

Yes they are, the proof is all over this forum. Every single thing I have said is a fact. You can carry on being un-informed or in denial now. I don't have time to dig through evidence for you, but that's how it is.

@koog2003 It's definitely not illegal. The Oculus is supported, it runs, it has issues, Codemasters is working with customers to provide solutions to improve performance and reduce issues, Codemasters is also making larger plans to possibly support Oculus via a native SDK. You wouldn't win anything in court against them, except a personal refund if you wanted it.

Well can you use the shifter/handbrake now for something like throttle or braking? Does it work in other games as analog ? That's your answer most likely.

You're just wrong here, I can tell just from understanding the situation and setups better. You can learn to set up the various cars, you can have an understanding of car setups overall which you can employ at any time. Also in general the setups are almost identical between stages in the same event. Few small adaptations here and there which you can make if you know how to set up.

The initial post was funny, but some of the following posters are grasping at straws. (being passive aggressive and toxic)

Don't doubt the BN. 😉

It seems that the analog HB feature from DR1 was removed for DR2.0 for some reason, it is now binary/digital on/off. Maybe Jon doesn't use his handbrake this way but especially on FWD rally cars you would use the HB in an analog manner to vary the rear under rotation to induce oversteer or just a bit of turn in. This is especially true on very low traction surfaces like snow. Please bring it back.

Good news - PJ has confirmed that the analog HB is happening!

Good news - PJ has confirmed that the analog HB is happening!

Don't forget guys, that reaching the peak stage times in the game is also relying on exploits of the physics simulation. There are some things in the game that are not punishing you enough in one manner and giving you too much reward compared to real life. Hence why it's not really any less of a cheap exploit than some setup change, which everyone else could set up as well. And it's not that the people who do setups are ******* who just use some exploit, it's that some things you need to be able to set up also IRL to allow you to set the balance of the car the way you need. Even if you only have limited setup ability on the car you can do a lot in the right direction. So no, this isn't about protecting rare snowflakes, it's about the fact that the eSport is not organized correctly for the competition, and that fewer of the best will be present in the quarters. It favors people who always run stock especially to get through, but for what purpose when in the final they won't be able to win on stock setup? (most likely). It's very basic logic. The competition is set up for publicity first, and results second. This is my point. I also like the fact that everyone and their cat can get a shot, but not actually at the expense of chaos and chance as well as bad design meaning that one or two better drivers might not advance due to it. my2c, no sense in me repeating the same points I think. CM and the organizer put one thing in front of the other for their reasons, in a hard logical sense it's a mistake for an optimal competition. That's all.

I didn't ignore your points, you ignored mine and also told me that my opinion doesn't even matter. (you never addressed any of my points with anything logical) My main point was this: " There is a clear logical flaw with this, and it's that the best overall drivers may NOT make it past the early stages due to having different rules between initial qualifiers/quarters and the finals. Setup is part of real rally, it's part of the game as well. It is a skill and talent people have spent time developing. It also changes in some cases completely how you drive a car. And a person may be top notch (best in the world) when they have a car set up, but may not be in the 99.9% when their setup is fecked up. And there is no real reason other than this artificial nonsense in the rules to drive a car without setup! Unless you are driving some old mini in the 70's or something that didn't have much you could set. You can't get your way around this argument, and everyone else who advocates for no setup qualifiers either. You can skip over this important fact, and make assumptions that luck will get the best drivers in, but you don't know that with absolute certainty, and it could trip up the very best. " not sure how what you said really did anything to address that. Nothing actually now that I have re-read your post.

Well if your argument is that Codies can set up the champ they way they want, and we have no input.. and also that you missed the entire point of keeping rules constant for qualifiers through finals, then we have nothing to discuss. You can also keep assuming things, you are all super smart in knowing exactly who will adapt to often an upside down setup and whether that makes them the better driver 😉 .

It's not black and white like that. 🙂 The good drivers pick up a lot of setup skills. There is no real engineer in DR2.0 to help you either.

It seems auto is allowed for some stupid reason in the finals, but not enforced. So you can at least drive normally if you get in.

There is a clear logical flaw with this, and it's that the best overall drivers may NOT make it past the early stages due to having different rules between initial qualifiers/quarters and the finals. Setup is part of real rally, it's part of the game as well. It is a skill and talent people have spent time developing. It also changes in some cases completely how you drive a car. And a person may be top notch (best in the world) when they have a car set up, but may not be in the 99.9% when their setup is fecked up. And there is no real reason other than this artificial nonsense in the rules to drive a car without setup! Unless you are driving some old mini in the 70's or something that didn't have much you could set. You can't get your way around this argument, and everyone else who advocates for no setup qualifiers either. You can skip over this important fact, and make assumptions that luck will get the best drivers in, but you don't know that with absolute certainty, and it could trip up the very best. Basically, the rules in the final should be applied from day 1 IF some basic minimum equipment that people have permits it. So this is why chase cams should be disallowed, massive cutting should be disallowed (as it's BS honestly), and technically driving with controllers and keyboards should be disallowed, disabling grass should be disallowed, disabling FFB should be disallowed for qualifiers. To re-iterate, because you're giving a chance for people who can't (more likely can't) function in a realistic competition/final to take the spots of people who can. To add to that, you are also opening the door to people who haven't the slightest about setups to get in and take spots in the semis/final. Why? Are they going to catch up in that time? Maybe, but why punish people who have already invested time in learning the craft?

Some good points in this thread, I think there is a bit too much grip in some gravel situations as well. (could also be overall grip)

Yeah I will confirm Mike does his runs stock to get WR's, you can check this in his live streams if you watch them. I also can get a 3:52... stock in Kopina with the VW no less which seems slower. However, yeah, I think setups should be allowed for eSports, from day 1. It's a skill and talent, part of the game. The only negative of setups in PL is that you go insanely fast with them. The current top speeds are more sensible.

I know, but they had weeks (really months) of warning, I listed most of the cuts a long time ago and reported them. (and other people did similar things here and there)

That is what you said, but maybe you meant something else. I know the dev process quite well which is why I am telling you this is fixable, it's also not extremely difficult to patch up a single stage. It's obviously more work to patch up all the places in all locations, however, this should have been part of QA/Dev from day 1 of the content projects.

100% disagree, this is completely fixable.

Yeah it might work like that @Mike Dee, I didn't really try optimizing the #7 cut myself... not my cup of tea even in the rare chance if it means I don't qualify ONLY due to it.

Cut 8: allowed?

Yeah I dont mind cut 5 , cut 6 nor the wides I showed. But we need this clarified. (I do mind cut 7 a lot)

Yeah the situation honestly needs to be clarified ASAP, because people are putting in time practicing/memorizing the stages already.