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Yes thank you, I forgot to post here to update. I have set the " Enable Locked Orientation " (under VR comfort options) to ON and it's better. I feel less drowsy and more at one with the car. 🙂

I have noticed that going from 2D to VR that there is a very very strong (and unrealistic) lock to horizon in the car. Might help many people with motion sickness I think, but I need to try the opposite which I am used to, which is to allow some realistic shake. Need it to at least experiment to see if it will help reduce pretty severe motion sickness a tiny bit in my specific case. So is there any way to disable this feature to a level similar to "max head shake" setting in the option menu without VR? (note this setting does a lot of shake compensation already and is partial horizon lock) I would like to add that this feature is pretty terrible as it keeps horizon lock even as your car tilts 30% to one side across road features etc, it's very disorientating for me! If not, could this please be added as an option that's off by default? (you can add a red comfort indicator on it if you please or hide it in the configs, just let it be possible)

Oh yeah, for the player for sure.

You mean a countdown timer that shows when the next car is starting @Riggs? Or what exactly do you want this timer to show? Current driver's stage time? A whole timing table would be welcome with current driver's elapsed time as well technically.

That's funny, because most people who watched the DR2 Stage Rally finals enjoyed the one by one passes through the stage, like super specials. What I would definitely do is have the drivers in a mini screen on there all the time, and one window showing the previous competitors watching as well (same as WRC+ really)

Just forwarding some feedback here we generated in the DiRTy Discord, posting here so that more people from the company can review some of the discussions and suggestions by the community. Yeah Sorry it's long, I already trimmed off some irrelevant things. 3:19 PM]Rainbow/Maxiem: Your addition was needed imo @bn880 Especially the cuts though. Really hurt the image of the event. (on cuts) : 5:11 PM]RSR SereneLogic: The way I know some league fix this, is by having the top 5 send in video recordings [5:12 PM]bn880: yep, and codies have the recordings automagically [5:12 PM]RSR SereneLogic: So if you finished top 5 in the qualifiers, you receive an email, and you send the video link, as unlisted [5:12 PM]bn880: nice [5:12 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Should be possible even for an automatic email system to be set up IT geek talking [5:13 PM]bn880: they have the telemetry for eSports logged. (ghost data) [5:13 PM]bn880: just didn't want to invest the time to review the top drives (for cuts)(edited) [5:13 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Added a few minor tweaks to my stuff I somehow forgot to mention the weather, two stages per qualifier and the actual announcing of ya kno, those who went through [5:14 PM]bn880: anyway, I think one of the very main issues with the qualifiers is that it was based on the one off one chance qualifiers (Rally). anything that's similar to that I think is a fail :regional_indicator_f:(edited) [SNIP] [5:16 PM]RSR SereneLogic: The issue of Qualifiers will always persist, as there is no optimal way to do it [5:16 PM]bn880: why do you need to reset several times? you technically dont need to reset anything from day 1 of the competition to the finals [5:17 PM]bn880: just set cutoffs in a championship format [SNIP [5:18 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Ah yes, that [5:18 PM]RSR SereneLogic: Well you see, technical difficulties are still a thing [5:18 PM]bn880: you don't have specialized qualifiers. you just have a world championship with thousands of drivers. and at X times/events you cut off the slowest guys [5:18 PM]RSR SereneLogic: And I feel if you can't guarantee a game is 100% working all the time, you only can't do one big cumulative(edited) [5:19 PM]bn880: until you are left with 128, 64, 16, 8 etc. it's one possibilty [5:19 PM]RSR SereneLogic: What you could do is make 3 big qualifier rounds of which the top 4 cumulative go through That mitigates it a bit [5:19 PM]bn880: IDK about that, it's how monthlies basically run already [SNIPSNIP [5:20 PM]RSR SereneLogic: PRoblem: TT focus, Solution: More stages before a person goes through(edited) What way they go about this, doesn't matter 😛 [5:21 PM]bn880: well it does though, because you can improve that a tiny bit, or make a revolution and make it awesome [5:21 PM]RSR SereneLogic: As I said, there's always external factors you have to take into consideration, and you also can't make it too complicated or people won't understand Hell the amount of times I had to bloody explain this time's cumulative was mindboggling 😂 [5:23 PM]bn880: I am not making it complicated nor exposing it to more external factors technically the 1 or 2 stage one off qualifiers are exposing you to more risk as it's very reliant on perfection you could even give people in the World Championship 3 chances to put in their best time for each stage of the championship(edited) so you limit hardware/tech issues nothing complicated about a championship [5:24 PM]RSR SereneLogic: A mini-championship of 2/3 rounds would be a nice way to decide a qualifer tbh You'd have the same amount of qualifier "rounds" just bundled in 3 championships, each letting through the best 4, I'd assume [5:26 PM]bn880: we're getting there yeah(edited) I mean unless the worry is that the fastest guys will set a lead of 20 points or something ... then ok [5:26 PM]RSR SereneLogic: You'd have maybe 2/3 stages per event, as time's still an issue, then 3 events per championship, same car class for a singular championship, diff class for the others. [5:27 PM]bn880: I understand that there needs to be a little bit of a climax on a specific date, but for that you can Pause the competition at a certain points spread and save the rest for the aired events some stuff like that so the only issue I do see with one long champ, is the possible lack of climax on final day (and again , there are ways to work the champ to fix that)(edited) you could do double points on the final for example (R2 does stuff like this)(edited) anyway I think we've made progress :adamo: I think the current qualifiers should be discarded completely as a basis for improvement, start from scratch with fresh ideas.(edited) Andrea-Adamo-Interesting.jpg?width=500&h [5:39 PM]RSR SereneLogic: I mean, I think that's gonna happen anyways for the complete format I'm sure someone can come up with a brilliant idea we could never think of as long as it's brilliant I'm fine with it [5:39 PM]bn880: of course (and hope so)(edited) [5:40 PM]RSR SereneLogic: If I was paid to come up with good ideas and a structure, I'd invest more time in it And since they'll be paid 😛 (I hope they pay them at least) [5:40 PM]bn880: but what we saw so far didn't even sniff brilliant in it's life(edited) SNIP [12:46 PM]Riggs: the climax of the final event is easily solvable just make the whole year long championship serve as the qualifier and keep the final event the way it is currently, with a couple of tweaks here and there problem solved, structure done. this way you have both a thrilling championship, with lots of coverage opportunities(edited) and an epic final event whereas this final event wont have the silly playoffs for a last deciding stage it'll be like the first part of the stream and the winner is the one who gets the best cumulative time to be honest i find that to be the most believable structure we can have [12:52 PM]bn880: yeah that works or make somehow the main championship run to the end with some smart tinkering(edited) [12:52 PM]Riggs: the problem of running the championship to the end is only one: you can have a champion before the final LAN event [12:52 PM]bn880: that's what I have been addressing [12:52 PM]Riggs: otherwise it'd work thats why i presented with a solution for that [12:52 PM]bn880: double points on final event, and cut off final event by doing maths mid season if needed(edited) [12:53 PM]Riggs: thats too much tinkering already XD and double points might not cut it [12:53 PM]bn880: well R2's have this plus you can get points for stage wins works IRL (makes it interesting)(edited) [12:53 PM]Riggs: because ths way people will see their yearly performance penalized [12:53 PM]bn880: yeah but its more penalized when you wipe it and start a new micro champ [12:54 PM]Riggs: thats not penalized it just sucks 😄 wait i thught u were talking about the current way [12:54 PM]bn880: I'd first try to really do the math and analysis on running 1 champ. and see if it can be guaranteed to work with a reasonable finale [12:54 PM]Riggs: the thing is if u cut so much [12:54 PM]bn880: points per event dont HAVE to be equal, you can add more on the table for finals [12:54 PM]Riggs: it'll end up being like a micro champ inside a big one know what im saying? [12:55 PM]bn880: yeah well that's kind of what you're asking for anyway with a climax [12:55 PM]Riggs: yea but for example [12:55 PM]bn880: but this way the original champ still has some nice continuity [12:55 PM]Riggs: u run from monaco to wales all the 12 rallies 12 stages each [12:55 PM]bn880: ok [12:55 PM]Riggs: and then on the final [12:55 PM]bn880: yeah maybe, I know what you are saying(edited) [12:55 PM]Riggs: u'd run all the rallies as well but maybe 1 stage each instead of focusing on wales only i dunno personally i'd be ok with having a big wales finale it's nostalgic but for coverage it can be a bit dull [12:56 PM]bn880: well, they COULD make the final one stage per each event , aired live with double points if they wanted so all locations would be hit lots of options whatever they do, this time trialing stuff needs to go [12:57 PM]Riggs: for good [12:57 PM]Malkael: Without degradation build up for each successive drive about the only reason to want to be first is lack of pressure chasing someone else's time. Though instead you get the pressure of setting the first time and not knowing what the benchmark will be. So IMO they might as well have no even bothered having the qualifier part. They could have just run several one-to-two stage points scoring events. Harder to have a run away winner if the deciding factor is points from event placing rather than time difference unless someone clearly deserves to win due to event consistency. [12:58 PM]Riggs: but thats rallying malkael it's also about consistency and consistent drivers should be prized right now it's all about time trialing 100% tryhard 0% consistency the goal is finding an even spot this year has been better [12:59 PM]bn880: well I mean the drivers, a lot of them are consistent (to different degrees) but yeah the event structure overall is very luck based(edited) [12:59 PM]Riggs: the D4 one was way worse but still a good way to prize a consistent driver would be adopting such hardcore championship for the qualifier your prize is a ticket to the finals in england(edited) if u win it or not, well thats up to u later yea @bn880 , theres not even repairs or surface degradation in play during any part of this world series why did they develop it all then [1:01 PM]Malkael: Still better than having a one off shoot out for the victory if they don't want to go all in. Because consistency obviously becomes a larger factor the more racing is done, whether that is in stages per event or number of events run in the championship. [1:01 PM]bn880: I disagree, they even destroyed my run with a surprise degradation :troll~1: (but yeah I know) adamo 3 [1:02 PM]Malkael: Everyone is afraid of Adamo, even Codemasters. :troll~1: adamo 2 [1:02 PM]bn880: They better be Adamo_upset.png [1:04 PM]Malkael: Maybe they can follow their own rules better next time too, or change them. All those rules saying 18+ age requirement which put some younger people off entering due to thinking they were inelegible and then the RX winner is under 18 anyway. [SNIP] [3:04 PM]DamianGC ( WeRT_Babana 😞 tbh a championship based in almost 0 rules to avoid practice between stages for example, corner cutting and so on is not a good solution. You should take into account all of this stuff. Some of us work hard for that kind of clean competitions. It is hard but is doable. :wink:(edited) (wrong tag sorry, @Riggs ) ^(edited) [3:15 PM]Riggs: yeah but thats why you have community clubs for esports it should follow with strict rules, because thats what esports is all about please can someone do that copy pasting work : D [3:20 PM]DamianGC ( WeRT_Babana 😞 copy & paste the whole channel ??

I couldn't disagree more on this point, go the opposite with cumulative only but organize it so that people can properly track the times. Again, the current format is anti rally and note only that Qualifiers are the largest part of the event.

One possible format for Rally qualifiers would be a kind of extended/slowed monthly (championship) with a specific series like R5. Everyone can enter and everyone is in when they start, and after certain weeks / events a number of participants makes it through to the next stages or event depending on points. Calendar of events and conditions should be published on day 1. As well as equipment that will be used in the finals. This is just a very quick suggestion, and I would need more time to come up with more comprehensive suggestions as I don't organize clubs and don't have that much time on my hands right now. Either way, I think that at least 6 fastest drivers didn't make it to the finals due to the breakup per platform. And the fastest guys (PC) who made it in Joona/Mickey and others made it in DESPITE the format, not due to it.

Totally agree with SereneLogic. And I would like to add some things that were missed from a fan perspective, and as someone who also spent days practicing for the qualifiers: In the open Qualifiers; Codies would announce which series of days would be the next qualifier out of 8 total. However they would never write on the websites or on "paper" what hours they would open and close. This was not entirely professional and kind of tripped me up once personally. Second: The degradation levels of the stages were not published to everyone, so there people who sent slower or already qualified team mates to collect the info, and got an unfair advantage. (this was easily predictable before organizing it). Apparently it was possible to go deep enough in the WS menu options to see the deg level I am told and sitll be able to back out without a DNF, but this was not at all clear from the menu and opposite to Dailies/Weeklies etc. Third: Qualifiers that consist of hot lapping to get in, and a single shot, are absurd. Not what rally is really about. Fourth: Lots of things were permitted in the qualifiers that were later not permitted in the semis or finals, such as but not limited to; controllers, keyboards, gross cuts. If you want to qualify for X you need to test X during qualifying, not Y. This is what happened here testing other skillsets during qualifying than during final competition. Finals: WOW, where to start. Even with all the stuff already mentioned there was the fact that a 16 year old won the RX final, who is technically not allowed to participate according to the regulations set forth in the qualifiers. (not that I am for blocking people by age, but what are rules if not rules.) Obviously choosing one car is also bad in the final, no less a manufacturer (VW) who spewed thousands of tons of toxic diesel emissions into our atmosphere by cheating recently, and some of the execs are still running away from justice on that so it's not over and resolved. Anyway, basically these events need to be organized so that consistency of rallying pays off (not one time luck based shootouts). And all the Intel people need to compete should be provided by the organizer (other than practice and learning the game). Nothing should be left for under handed tactics like sending off team mates to provide sneaky info, times should be published, setups should be open from day 1 and so forth. It should be a fair competition from the start.

Way too much blueish fog/haze/smog in Finland (all the videos uploaded) for some reason. Here is the still video pic from the Codies blog for Finland which looks GOOD: And here is the reality in the game, and the fog seems to be there all the time for some reason: The same problem exists in Germany. Can we please have clear vision at a distance in both events?

Except this is with VR and it's an inversion of a functionality with VR.

Someone mentioned to look for " Vehicle Camera Motion " in HUD options, I will do that next time I try it and report back. Possibly PEBKAC 🙂

Version 1.4 has been released, notes in the first post

05.01.2020: Version 1.4 is out. New: Support added for DirtFish free roam. Support added for Peugeot 306 Maxi DLC car. Changed: RDA now saves each new stage attempt to a new file, allowing for much easier and cleaner tracking of fastest runs. Special Thanks: Special thanks to mrjiffy6, Malkael, Mike Dee and Cortextual for their contributions. 16.08.2019: Good news is good news. Version 1.3 of RDA has been published. New: Support added for DR 2.0 Wales Event Support added for all DR 2.0 v1.7 RX Venues Support added for all DR 2.0 v1.7 RX Vehicles (note “VW Polo R Supercar” is detected as the Audi Supercar) Support added for DR 2.0 Ford Focus RS Rally 2001 Fixed fastest lap timing display when swapping RX vehicles on same RX Event Planned: Support for Windows 7 and 8 is still planned. Special Thanks: Special thanks to Malkael for collecting the data required to make this update happen. Special thanks to Mike Dee and Cortextual for their previous contributions. 02.07.2019: Even More good news Everyone Version 1.2 of RDA has been published. New: Support added for DR 2.0 Sweden Rally Event (all Stage Rally Events from 1.51 now supported) Support added for Lancia 037 Evo 2, Porsche 911 SC RS Group B RWD Stage Rally cars (all Stage Rally Cars from 1.51 Supported) PDF now features a change-log at bottom Planned: Support for RX is still planned but not scheduled, donations would speed it up. Check Discord if you wish to help with collecting data for RX RDA support. Support for Windows 7 and 8 is still planned as well, but also not scheduled. https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/racetrack-data-acquisition-rda.26829/update?update=48907 27.05.2019: Good news Everyone Version 1.1 of RDA has been published. New: Support added for all DR 2.0 v1.41 Rally cars including 2000cc. Support added for Monaco and Germany Rally Events. RDA now renders on top of game windows so you can use Live Performance over windowed/borderless DiRT Rally (2.0). Planned: Support for RX is still planned, but donations would speed it up. Check Discord if you wish to help with collecting data for RX RDA support. Support for Windows 7 and 8 is still planned as well. Download Version 1.1 https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/racetrack-data-acquisition-rda.26829/ Hi all, my data logging tool that I should have released 2 months ago , has finally hit the shelves: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/racetrack-data-acquisition-rda.26829/ RDA Represents several weeks of full time software development which is released to you for free but with ability to donate if you find it useful and wish to support further enhancements. What is RDA? RDA is an application that can log telemetry from DiRT Rally (all stages/courses/vehicles) and DiRT Rally 2.0 (base release Cars/Stages and may work for DLC stages) to CSV, BIN, or MoTeC LD files. RDA also allows you to compare instantaneous and live Delta T and Delta V if you have already completed a stage/lap in the same vehicle. Your best stage/lap is saved on completion. Currently the live deltas are rendered only on a secondary monitor or beside the game windowed. Sample Videos ALL THE INFORMATION BELOW AND MORE IS AVAILABLE INSIDE THE PACKAGED PDF WHICH INCLUDES AN EULA Key Performance and Features RDA is very light weight; written in C++17 (importantly not Java or scripts) and does not utilize any extensive libraries such as boost, .NET, QT/wx and other UI libs to keep the data logging and loading performance impact completely negligible. You should not notice even a 0.1FPS drop when logging. In addition to using minimalist C++17, the application logs LD data to a temporary BIN file format instead of text/XML for ultimate performance and data safety in case of a system crash. (Recovering such data from BIN to LD currently can only be performed by the author “bn880” due to possible licensing issues.) Data and Frequency Precision RDA uses a comprehensive algorithm to save LD logs in maximum precision for all data channels without significant processing overhead. This is unlike any previous LD file data logger for other simulations. The frequency of the channels is also precisely calculated and saved based on an extrapolation algorithm and full passes of the collected data points. It is however crucial that you log at less than the full sim render FPS (about 80% or less of the FPS) or that your render FPS remains constant with Vsync if you want to have precise timing in logs. See PDF for more features... Quick Start / Installation Extract zip Extract the ZIP package into a folder where you have full privileges (read/write/full control), usually this simply means NOT in ProgramFiles (x86). Setup DiRT Rally UDP Set up DiRT Rally UDP output to your desired unique RDA port as per the How to set up DiRT Rally and DiRT Rally 2.0 UDP ports section. (inside PDF in package) Run RDA Run ./RDA/RaceTrack Data Acquisition.exe alongside your game to capture data logs and to view live Deltas once you complete a lap/stage once. (you can make yourself a shortcut to the exe for future use) Live Delta viewing is shown on the RDA main panel, and requires a secondary monitor or running the game in windowed mode with RDA visible on the same monitor. See Delta T and Delta V display. *** NOTE *** If you try to use RDA to log cars OR stages/tracks that are not supported no files will be generated, there will be no deltas shown, and you will need to restart RDA to resume logging. When data logging is working and live recording a stage/lap the Record button turns red. See Figure 6 RECORD and STOP (+SAVE) Button states. (inside PDF) You can find your logs with the File>Open Log Folder file menu entry. Install MoTeC i2 Pro v1.0.21.30 (not included in this package, you need to get it yourself) In MoTeC i2 Pro go to "File">"Project">"Open Project..." and open the supplied project: <RDA Install dir>\MoTeC Projects\DiRT Rally\Project.mtcprj Open Log File in MoTeC Pro You can now open your recorded LD log file in MoTeC. As of version 1.0 detailed GPS track maps (inner/drive/outer lines) are provided for Fourketa Kourva and Waldabstieg from DR. However you can generate these GPS maps in about 15-30 minutes with the correct procedure, and any stage you have driven will always be visible as a drive line with heading anyway. See Track / stage map generation procedure. Final Notes/Discord Enjoy, and remember to join Discord https://discord.gg/GKhwAcN if you have questions/comments/suggestions, and that you can Paypal bn880@hotmail.com if you wish to support further feature enhancements. (shameless plug) NOTICE: RDA will not work in Windows 7 or 8.1 until further notice. This is due to Microsoft improperly describing their Universal Runtime to developers.

@mrjiffy6 I can confirm , Y2.02k issue 😄 I will do something about it soon (possibly not today though), will just try to get one or two features in there.

Oh I see, so you want to collaborate with CM to integrate your mod into the game. Normally to do that you would email them in the background and see if they are interested. It's very rare that a mod is interesting enough for a developer to integrate it to their game, but of course it happens and often the modders are paid.

No performance impact that I noticed from body damage with data logging, just easier to get other mechanical damage as was mentioned.

Hi, can you clarify what you mean by this: " (Cause they refuse to add it themself like an offcial mod for some obscure reasons....) " What's an official mod, where would it be added? (are there examples of official mods you can show?) Thanks

I'm quite sure this is an auto wiper feature that was left to auto on by design. Hope they kill it in 2020. I guess the logic is : "how can you enable intermittent / smart wipers or even know they exist if they only enable once in a while, so lets leave them on by default" Or something crazy like that. 🙂

I agree with you, they may need to put the horizon lock in as an assist if they do add it in, but yeah I am not against people who can't stand the shaking being able to enjoy this game.

Damn, I just realized, I hope lock to horizon can be turned off in VR. or that's going to break the immersion for me once I get a headset ... 😕 In terms of non VR, yeah it's not really a massive issue for most people that you can't lock your horizon. It's a little bit of a rarity that people who like rallying want a very smooth experience in terms of car and horizon shake. It's a bit of the experience of rallying, that the real sport is a fair bit violent in the car. having the feature might be a good thing for the minority, but yeah, definitely a small minority from what I can see and reason. Just sucks that it affects some people very negatively like @orangejuiced83 People don't choose to get headaches or get dizzy from games, but it is what it is.

Just to clarify I tested the jumps. I am not saying the sliding around sideways on the ground is perfect. I think *suspect* there is actually a small bit of an issue with excessive combined grip on gravel when the car is going sideways and loaded up, but this I have not tested as it would take grabbing some real life data logs from the same car on similar bends to verify.

I Fourth this. Need many more slots.

@Ialyrn That's right it does not happen in DR 2.0 0:00 First you are shown videos of jumping with max Throttle, and then Braking. 0:29 Then data logs for the two are compared in MoTeC. 1:10 Then you are shown a video of a sideways jump (right) 1:24 You are shown a MoTeC log for the sideways jump.

Most likely the 50% analog range possible now is considered enough by them... but man, if they release future seasons/content in 2020, maybe they should reconsider this (and TBH also the clutch nanny). These are the basic/core aspects of the game/sim. The driving bits.