Some Complaints

[JZStudios 631]

Now, I'll be the first to admit, I'm no expert driver, never done any racing, or hell even formal training on how to drive a manual (or any training at all) but is it just me or is this game extremely eager to stall you out? I've stalled with the clutch fully depressed, I even checked the replay. Even worse is after the stall, I don't know who thought it was a good idea to make the ignition both clutch and full accelerator, but I hate it, it's awful, I'd much rather have a button on my wheel I can press. Then sometimes I get stuck in that weird grey area between the reset button working or not. Maybe that's a difficult thing to balance out, but half the time I have to pause and select reset car. Is there anything bothering anyone else?

[JZStudios 631]

Also, about 60% of the time since I got my handbrake setup, any time I use it at low speed the car stalls. Doesn't stop the car, just, stalls. Even with clutch.

[shadow118 18]

had the Impreza stall on me like 3 times in the last daily. Aslo, some cars are more prone to it than others

[KevM 44]

There's a Clutch over-ride setting that helps with that, that and 1 click of ABS

[shadow118 18]

I drive an automatic btw, so the stalling is just weird, autoclutch isn't doing it's work :D 

[KevM 44]

Automatic stalls??  Go ABS then, that should help!

[RyuMakkuro 6]

ABS is love, ABS is life :D 

Stalling is definitely too short to not be annoying.

[JZStudios 631]

Why would ABS prevent stalling?                          

[KevM 44]

If you lock up your wheels with brakes, and don't use the clutch, you stop the gearbox and engine turning also.  If the engine aint turning over, you are stalled! 

ABS lets the wheels turn slightly under heavy braking, so you can still maintain steering traction, but if the wheel is turning, so is the engine.  You are not stalled! :)

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Another thing is that with ABS you can crank up the brake strength higher and still have more control over the car than on default without it. This of course usually results in shorter braking distance. Maxing the brake strength out may be too much though, since ABS won't be able to keep up with how quickly the wheels lock up, so I personally advise 2 ticks from the right to be as high as you go with ABS at 5 (if you use it, why keep at 1? Best to make it actually work properly after all).

[Busterbvi 4]

JZStudios said:

Now, I'll be the first to admit, I'm no expert driver, never done any racing, or hell even formal training on how to drive a manual (or any training at all) but is it just me or is this game extremely eager to stall you out? I've stalled with the clutch fully depressed, I even checked the replay. Even worse is after the stall, I don't know who thought it was a good idea to make the ignition both clutch and full accelerator, but I hate it, it's awful, I'd much rather have a button on my wheel I can press. Then sometimes I get stuck in that weird grey area between the reset button working or not. Maybe that's a difficult thing to balance out, but half the time I have to pause and select reset car. Is there anything bothering anyone else?

I'm glad you brought this up, its driving me nuts !! the engine stalling all the time in even the slightest of spins or knocks with clutch depressed is really pi...ng me off !! very unrealistic, because of this I have my clutch saturation at 10% and it is still a problem !  This stalling & restart is not a good idea Codies unless you plough into a tree or a bank at 70 mph then fair enough. Codies, Would you be kind enough to allocate a button to engine start ?

I haven't tried it yet but would a bit of ABS work on a car that was never fitted with it, Mk 2 Escort for example ?

[KevM 44]

Yes, it does...                                                                                  

[JZStudios 631]

KevM said:

If you lock up your wheels with brakes, and don't use the clutch, you stop the gearbox and engine turning also.  If the engine aint turning over, you are stalled! 

ABS lets the wheels turn slightly under heavy braking, so you can still maintain steering traction, but if the wheel is turning, so is the engine.  You are not stalled! :)

Eh, alright, I'll give you that, But I've stalled with clutch, and like Didzis said, the automatic stalled. Still doesn't really explain the handbrake stall. The car's still moving with spinning wheels, pretty sure I can drive with it on, just can't take turns.

[KevM 44]

JZStudios said:
Eh, alright, I'll give you that, But I've stalled with clutch, and like Didzis said, the automatic stalled. Still doesn't really explain the handbrake stall. The car's still moving with spinning wheels, pretty sure I can drive with it on, just can't take turns.

My guess would be the 'no ABS' in the Auto trans case?  

Handbrake is fine on a 4WD as the HBrake disengages a centre diff and the front wheels/engine continue to turn.  (Though that's considered by some as an inaccuracy in-game with the likes of Grp B that didn't have the capability in real life).  
In a RWD, yeah, handbrake should really stall you, but releasing while moving will re-start anyway, but the game model of that scenario doesnt seem to be as sophisticated (which is a huge help tbh)

[JZStudios 631]

I don't know, plenty of cars can drive with the handbrake engaged. Still doesn't answer all the other complaints.

[Busterbvi 4]

Had a couple of hours in the Escort Mk2 in Wales last night with 2 clicks of ABS on, much better ! cheers guys. I'm a bit uncomfortable in doing this though because the real life Escort never had ABS so it feels like a bit of cheating, because of my 20 years as a motor mechanic and 8 years of rallying a Mk 2  I know all about de clutching. I use a G25 and the clutch pedal is digital, its either in or out, so 10% saturation is my sweet spot. Codies need to lift the bonnet and tweak the settings on this stalling malarkey, I shouldn't have to use ABS to stop stalling when I am driving properly !

[thecraicbear 0]

Busterbvi said:

Had a couple of hours in the Escort Mk2 in Wales last night with 2 clicks of ABS on, much better ! cheers guys. I'm a bit uncomfortable in doing this though because the real life Escort never had ABS so it feels like a bit of cheating, because of my 20 years as a motor mechanic and 8 years of rallying a Mk 2  I know all about de clutching. I use a G25 and the clutch pedal is digital, its either in or out, so 10% saturation is my sweet spot. Codies need to lift the bonnet and tweak the settings on this stalling malarkey, I shouldn't have to use ABS to stop stalling when I am driving properly !

Do you feel that the slight ABS offers a more realistic feel across all cars, or just for the golden oldies? 
Being that I haven't yet had a chance to rally in my free time outside of the game I appreciate hearing opinions on settings and such when comparing to real life driving styles and physics. 

[Busterbvi 4]

thecraicbear said:

Busterbvi said:

Had a couple of hours in the Escort Mk2 in Wales last night with 2 clicks of ABS on, much better ! cheers guys. I'm a bit uncomfortable in doing this though because the real life Escort never had ABS so it feels like a bit of cheating, because of my 20 years as a motor mechanic and 8 years of rallying a Mk 2  I know all about de clutching. I use a G25 and the clutch pedal is digital, its either in or out, so 10% saturation is my sweet spot. Codies need to lift the bonnet and tweak the settings on this stalling malarkey, I shouldn't have to use ABS to stop stalling when I am driving properly !

Do you feel that the slight ABS offers a more realistic feel across all cars, or just for the golden oldies? 
Being that I haven't yet had a chance to rally in my free time outside of the game I appreciate hearing opinions on settings and such when comparing to real life driving styles and physics. 

I have'nt had the game very long and I have'nt got past the Mk 2 yet but I am using a bit of ABS to correct what appears to be a bug or wrong programming for the engine stall, I will try other cars when the novelty of the Escort wears off !

[thecraicbear 0]

Busterbvi said:

thecraicbear said:

Busterbvi said:

Had a couple of hours in the Escort Mk2 in Wales last night with 2 clicks of ABS on, much better ! cheers guys. I'm a bit uncomfortable in doing this though because the real life Escort never had ABS so it feels like a bit of cheating, because of my 20 years as a motor mechanic and 8 years of rallying a Mk 2  I know all about de clutching. I use a G25 and the clutch pedal is digital, its either in or out, so 10% saturation is my sweet spot. Codies need to lift the bonnet and tweak the settings on this stalling malarkey, I shouldn't have to use ABS to stop stalling when I am driving properly !

Do you feel that the slight ABS offers a more realistic feel across all cars, or just for the golden oldies? 
Being that I haven't yet had a chance to rally in my free time outside of the game I appreciate hearing opinions on settings and such when comparing to real life driving styles and physics. 

I have'nt had the game very long and I have'nt got past the Mk 2 yet but I am using a bit of ABS to correct what appears to be a bug or wrong programming for the engine stall, I will try other cars when the novelty of the Escort wears off !

It'll never wear off - never! 

[JZStudios 631]

Busterbvi said:

I have'nt had the game very long and I have'nt got past the Mk 2 yet but I am using a bit of ABS to correct what appears to be a bug or wrong programming for the engine stall, I will try other cars when the novelty of the Escort wears off !

Just try some custom events with other cars. I guess if a click or two of ABS "solves" the problem then I'll try it. I'd still really like a push button ignition rather than clutch+throttle. Every time I need to start the car that screws me up. Also going back to the stalling issue, what about when I have my clutch pressed? I can't imagine it should still stall it out then.

[KevM 44]

Do you have 'Clutch override' enabled?

Can you press your clutch when driving and see the revs increase?  Unless it's on, the clutch pedal is purely ornamental 

[dgeesi0 305]

in RWD cars set the diff to strongest settings. makes such a difference .

[KevM 44]

dgeesi0 said:

in RWD cars set the diff to strongest settings. makes such a difference .

Yep, can cause dangerous understeer!

[RyuMakkuro 6]

KevM said:

dgeesi0 said:

in RWD cars set the diff to strongest settings. makes such a difference .

Yep, can cause dangerous understeer!

I think you mean oversteer.

[PaloSamo 0]

So many rally purists here, yet ABS is in use across the board. Ironicly hypocrytic ;)