An open letter to CODEMASTERS and DIRT players

[Kakkela 3]

I think you forgot bunch of comments then. Please do continue and hopefully that other thread I created will be place to talk about telemetry problem from now on.

[austinb 37]

Inspector Gadget McCrash is onto something! What gadgets does the skiddymobile feature? Must be a portable gravity enhancer, active suspension, and ejector tyres!  

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

I'm not stopping anyone discussing any of the stuff MrDeap wants to talk about, but it didn't start in this thread and he only brought it up after I posted rs200wrx's ip address on cossierally's account.

tbh I'm thinking of renaming this thread "How Not To Complain To Codemasters" and making it a sticky.

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

Kakkela said:

I think you forgot bunch of comments then. Please do continue and hopefully that other thread I created will be place to talk about telemetry problem from now on.

No, I forgot to add the sentence "after I asked him to move it to another thread". my bad :*

[gheeD 15]

No cheater would come to defend themselves here on the forum. As we have seen, there have been no cheaters participating on this thread so far. But if I were to see some of them start posting here i would honestly be surprised. The thing about cheaters is nobody knows them, but they just appear on the top of the list. 

Me and porkie have been here since beginning of early access. (in fact i bought DR only about 2-3 hours after it was revealed!)

[chukonu 476]

I dunno, I don't really care for the leaderboards myself but obviously I try and set the best time I can get and if I get a top 100 time I feel super happy. It's a bit weird to see someone crash twice in that stream but still set a top 50 time somehow, and when you take off the 20 seconds off of that time for crashing, you still have to take off ANOTHER 30 seconds to match Porkhammers' time. The driving in the video makes the game seems easy, the way bumps and jumps barely seem to affect the car and stuff.

[dgeesi0 305]

if its a ingame option how is it a cheat ?

you cant force people to play at 900 degrees because you think its proper thats stupid. the rally games are niche as it is and you want to make it even worse or smaller ?

alot of what you do suggest is good though.how you set your force feedback and wheel up though isnt.thats a ingame option.

one thing that does need clearing up is fps related to the engine and analysis of peoples set ups on mega runs. lines do help but some guys do weird runs as if no bounce back on suspension on jumps .

this surely can be analysed in some way to check times to see if it matches what should be correct positioning of suspension on jumps both jumping and hitting ground and speed through sections with certain set ups.

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

Oh dear.                                                                                              

[Kakkela 3]

My head hurts after reading your post... So here are some random words for you.
Firstly there are only handful of simulators that have FFB so good that player never needs to adjust it. It will never be so good that every wheel will be good out of the box. (Dampening is fake and I don't understand how you think it is needed in FFB)

Nobody really increases FoV in driving games, it makes every distance distorted and actually harder to drive fast.
ACs FoV differs only in one way, it uses correct values instead of  0.0-something we have in settings. You can edit camera files in AC just like we can edit them here.

Transmission is tricky one, actually H+Clutch is faster in every car here if you just got the coordination to pull it off. But you can't really restrict it too much because of course you want to give fair chance to people that just don't have h+clutch at all.

[Porkhammer 78]

I find it very difficult to take you seriously, Rinus, when you're saying people not using 900 degrees and softlock and also a different gearing method than yourself is essentially cheating. That is by far the dumbest argument I've ever read here.

They're preferences, not exploits. In a computer game. If you don't like people having different preferences than yourself, and it actually bothers you - then perhaps this is not the game for you?

[dynt 0]

SkiddyMcCrash said:

thread cleaned of stuff from the replay thread. If you want to talk about the g-Ball/Suspension stuff, make another thread.

I still have questions for @dynt. I would have asked them yesterday but I was busy.

@dynt.

1, If Cyprus is 2 hours ahead of UK and you went to check rs2000wrx's ip address like you said. How did he react to you going round his and checking his ip address in the middle of the night?

Because you were posting on here at 1 o'clockish UK time and you checked his home ip address and got home and posted your results bck on here before 5.30 UK time.

And more importantly.

2, Why would a guilty man let you check his ip address if he knew it was going to prove his guilt?
You now know he can change his ip, I know he can, everyone who has read the thread knows he can. So why didn't he change it to something else?

Unless of course rs200wrx didn't know I had his home address connected to cossierally's account.

The way I see it. A man who created a 2nd account to hide behind while he said something he thought would get his main account banned would have no problems using a 3rd account to also try and protect his main account.

And as I told you when you started defending rs200wrx, I already knew you had multiple accounts.

So how big of a stretch of the imagination do you think it was for me to think that you could also be rs2000wrx?

Especially considering you were adamant it wasn't your friend, and was using his home ip address as proof, right up until the moment I showed you that his home ip address proved he was cossierally.

When you went quiet for a couple of hours and then came back with the story of how you had just come beck from rs200wrx's house and had found out that I was right.

Which you posted at 5:30 UK time. 3:30 Cyprus time.

Which you posted at 5:30 UK time. 3:30 Cyprus time. miscalculation there skiddy its 7.30 Cyprus time 2 hours ahead.

Second as you have access to the forums stats you can obviously see my ip address which is supplied by Primetel, and Trevors is supplied by Cablenet both different.

Thirdly your multiple account theory and your banning of secondary accounts would presume there fore its problematic for other family members who are quite legally acceptable on the Steam friends and family sharing scheme but would seem are problematic for Codemaster forums.

Fourthly I was adamant because its so out of character for Trevor, I had asked him previously and he had denied that he had created the post.

[Kakkela 3]

rs200wrx said:

And all of the above can be fixed if only codemasters had done a proper job of the physics. Individually each car, not a generic physics, that maker some cars too light and others too heavy. It was lazy, it was rushed. It was all about making money on the back of the last 18 years of excellent codemaster developed rally games. EA was probably a dreadful mistake. It introduced rally to a whole new inexperienced customer.  who continuously complained about irrelevant issues that experienced real life rally drivers didn't even notice and got on with driving. 

I don't think you know how driving simulators work... Or atleast better ones.
You don't need to make physics separately to each car, you have physics engine that knows what to do with different values that change from car to car (weight, wheelbase, different suspension values to model correct behavior etc.)

Not to say that CM didn't fuck things up somewhere on some cars.

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

dynt said:

a lot of things

then

rs200wrx said:

something else

Ah it's yeah, 2 hours the other way, my bad.

Yeah, you're right. Now I think about it going round to your friends house to check his ip address, that he knows matches cossierally's by now but he lets you do it anyway because you've been friends for such a long time, checking it and going home to post me a pm apologizing, then posting another in thread, before 7:30 in the morning isn't in anyway suspicious. At all.

The fact that you have a different ip address to the man who has been caught spoofing ip addresses means nothing, so the rest of your arguement also means nothing, as rx200wrx has already shown he has no qualms about doing anything you mention.

Now do you see the problem? I have no way of telling.

rs200wrx said:

 
Kim Ill Skiddy  McJong

Awesome, never been called that before.

You seem to labouring under an assumption at the moment.

That there is any credibilty left in the opinion of anyone using your current username. Everything you have posted on it since the 1st ban has suffered with that problem. The fact that you continued to post on the account after the ban shows that you are as willing to abuse the system as the cheats.

Of course I banned you, I gave you 24 hours to come clean and you ignored it. What did you think I was going to do.

[dynt 0]

I think @RinusRally makes some very valid points particularly if you are a purist when it comes to having the most realistic experience possible.

Having rallied for over twenty years myself at a very high level having won multiple events right up to European championship level  it does seem that in order to set competitive times you seriously have to disregard realism.

For some that maybe acceptable to others it seems a unfair compromise.

To use the justification the game allows it opens a real Pandora's box because taking  this argument to its ultimate level can be used to deem acceptable a large number of  mods that all thou not deemed as cheating do in my opinion breach the spirit of what after all is a competitive racing game.

[dynt 0]

SkiddyMcCrash said:

dynt said:

a lot of things

then

rs200wrx said:

something else

Ah it's yeah, 2 hours the other way, my bad.

Yeah, you're right. Now I think about it going round to your friends house to check his ip address, that he knows matches cossierally's by now but he lets you do it anyway because you've been friends for such a long time, checking it and going home to post me a pm apologizing, then posting another in thread, before 7:30 in the morning isn't in anyway suspicious. At all.

The fact that you have a different ip address to the man who has been caught spoofing ip addresses means nothing, so the rest of your arguement also means nothing, as rx200wrx has already shown he has no qualms about doing anything you mention.

Now do you see the problem? I have no way of telling.

rs200wrx said:

 
Kim Ill Skiddy  McJong

Awesome, never been called that before.

You seem to labouring under an assumption at the moment.

That there is any credibilty left in the opinion of anyone using your current username. Everything you have posted on it since the 1st ban has suffered with that problem. The fact that you continued to post on the account after the ban shows that you are as willing to abuse the system as the cheats.

Of course I banned you, I gave you 24 hours to come clean and you ignored it. What did you think I was going to do.

Firstly I posted his home ip the night before there was no need to check his pc as he admitted his mistake before me having to force the issue with the checking of anything.

Secondly Trevor lives 3 mins drive away from myself so your time scale dispersions are totally invalid.

Thirdly I will send you proof via pm that we are two different people, please be man enough publically to admit your assumptions are wrong.

[MrDeap 12]

chukonu said:

I dunno, I don't really care for the leaderboards myself but obviously I try and set the best time I can get and if I get a top 100 time I feel super happy. It's a bit weird to see someone crash twice in that stream but still set a top 50 time somehow, and when you take off the 20 seconds off of that time for crashing, you still have to take off ANOTHER 30 seconds to match Porkhammers' time. The driving in the video makes the game seems easy, the way bumps and jumps barely seem to affect the car and stuff.

Who know, maybe you just need a high quality hardware setup(screen, pedal, wheel, handbrake, etc) with the extra feedback feature which make you the most comfortable, make the game much easier to drive on the limit, due because you feel much more connected with the engine. Maybe, the clutch alone can improve the time up to around 5sec in a sprint?

In my opinion, the reason why nearly everyone is not playing the same game is mostly due to disconnection from the game & don't have a setup to make the most out of it.

Back on topic, this thread is weird because it could have been done via PM. 

[Fedemaisonnave 48]

dynt said:
Thirdly your multiple account theory and your banning of secondary accounts would presume there fore its problematic for other family members who are quite legally acceptable on the Steam friends and family sharing scheme but would seem are problematic for codemasters forums

Sorry but i have the game via Steam Family Share, and i never had a problem on the forum, by the way if anyone interested in gifting a copy I would be glad to recieve it LOL

[dynt 0]

MrDeap said:

chukonu said:

I dunno, I don't really care for the leaderboards myself but obviously I try and set the best time I can get and if I get a top 100 time I feel super happy. It's a bit weird to see someone crash twice in that stream but still set a top 50 time somehow, and when you take off the 20 seconds off of that time for crashing, you still have to take off ANOTHER 30 seconds to match Porkhammers' time. The driving in the video makes the game seems easy, the way bumps and jumps barely seem to affect the car and stuff.

Who know, maybe you just need a high quality hardware setup(screen, pedal, wheel, handbrake, etc) with the extra feedback feature which make you the most comfortable, make the game much easier to drive on the limit, due because you feel much more connected with the engine. Maybe, the clutch alone can improve the time up to around 5sec in a sprint?

In my opinion, the reason why nearly everyone is not playing the same game is mostly due to disconnection from the game & don't have a setup to make the most out of it.

Back on topic, this thread is weird because it could have been done via PM. 

I think it works in reverse, the higher quality gear you have the slower you go, I stopped using my ecci7000 and went back to my t500 and was instantly faster, high ffb is not your friend in this game if you want to set times at the top end.

Also I had to decrease steering angles significantly also inn order to be competitive.

[BadD0g 0]

But if it was done through PMs we wouldn't have all this exciting drama to watch!

[dynt 0]

BadD0g said:

But if it was done through PMs we wouldn't have all this exciting drama to watch!

Must admit its all getting a bit silly its like a bad telenovela, but it just goes to show sim racing in general generates similar dedication and commitment and passion as like the real thing.

[Kakkela 3]

dynt said:

I think @RinusRally makes some very valid points particularly if you are a purist when it comes to having the most realistic experience possible.

Having rallied for over twenty years myself at a very high level having won multiple events right up to European championship level  it does seem that in order to set competitive times you seriously have to disregard realism.

For some that maybe acceptable to others it seems a unfair compromise.

To use the justification the game allows it opens a real Pandora's box because taking  this argument to its ultimate level can be used to deem acceptable a large number of  mods that all thou not deemed as cheating do in my opinion breach the spirit of what after all is a competitive racing game.

But talking about features to distinguish comparable times isn't same as blaming someone of cheating when he uses options and settings that are available in-game. 

MrDeap said:

chukonu said:

I dunno, I don't really care for the leaderboards myself but obviously I try and set the best time I can get and if I get a top 100 time I feel super happy. It's a bit weird to see someone crash twice in that stream but still set a top 50 time somehow, and when you take off the 20 seconds off of that time for crashing, you still have to take off ANOTHER 30 seconds to match Porkhammers' time. The driving in the video makes the game seems easy, the way bumps and jumps barely seem to affect the car and stuff.

Who know, maybe you just need a high quality hardware setup(screen, pedal, wheel, handbrake, etc) with the extra feedback feature which make you the most comfortable, make the game much easier to drive on the limit, due because you feel much more connected with the engine. Maybe, the clutch alone can improve the time up to around 5sec in a sprint?

In my opinion, the reason why nearly everyone is not playing the same game is mostly due to disconnection from the game & don't have a setup to make the most out of it.

Back on topic, this thread is weird because it could have been done via PM. 

I think it works in reverse, the higher quality gear you have the slower you go, I stopped using my ecci7000 and went back to my t500 and was instantly faster, high ffb is not your friend in this game if you want to set times at the top end.

Also I had to decrease steering angles significantly also inn order to be competitive.

Steering angle isn't that much of a factor here, it's just what you are most comfortable with. As FFB isn't ideal in DiRT you won't gain much from using high end gear. 
T500 probably is kind of ideal wheel for DiRT as it has naturally quite a lot of mechanical friction compared to many others. @gheeD uses T500 nowdays too.

[KevM 44]

Eastenders hasn't been on in our house all this week! lol

[dynt 0]

KevM said:

Eastenders hasn't been on in our house all this week! lol

hehehe

[JZStudios 631]

dynt said:

BadD0g said:

But if it was done through PMs we wouldn't have all this exciting drama to watch!

Must admit its all getting a bit silly its like a bad telenovela, but it just goes to show sim racing in general generates similar dedication and commitment and passion as like the real thing.

British people know what Telenovelas are? Wow. I mean, I live on the border of Mexicoland so they watch them on lunch breaks, but who in Britain watches them?

[JZStudios 631]

Also, at this point, what even was the original topic? It's all gotten into telemetry, cheating, ip addresses, I mean, it's interesting sure, but what the hell are we even talking about?
P.S. I know porky is a cheater because he doesn't have a full rig, a brilliant PC, or use 900 DOR. So his times should be removed. Is this what were resorting to?