The Cheat Thread

[bogani 756]

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

Speaking of telemetry. A good while back @Porkhammer posted a video of Germany stage in the M3 where there is a haybale chicane just in the beginning. The speed which he took that chicane looked absolutely ridiculous.

Surely that must have been with V1 physics, because it's impossible with V2.

Nah, it was in december. Posted in the V2 thread. Found the vid!

https://youtu.be/2Y2Rz3-rnMU

[KevM 44]

bogani said:

Kinda sad that the hunt for best time makes the game look so silly. Hardly resemble rally anymore.

What's even more sad is that this thread is the most active on the forum :/

I agree.  This is how good the DiRT Rally M3 can look, when times (or grip) aren't even on the radar.  Unfortunately greed & ignorance is tarnishing a great thing.
http://youtu.be/cBQaTNBAnd4

(Hopefully) My final word on the matter...
Iv done the topic to death.  We all know who does what, lots of agreement & valid points have been made, but those involved hide behind 'proof', despite pages of the stuff, which is categorically denied anyway.

So, the thread is as pointless as cheating yourself to the tops of the tables, when most involved clearly have the ability to have a damn good clean fun competitive battle to get there....

The First cheat, is the First loser...

Peace!

(I still recon Kakkela is Porkhammer, & gheeD's wee bro - lol)

[Kakkela 3]

You are attacking against fast legit drivers and calling flaws in game physics proof that they aren't playing game fairly. 
Clever use of game mechanics isn't cheating or even sad. Some people want to be fast, some want to drive because it's fun. Neither group causes any harm to each others.
Instead of using those videos as a proof against drivers, use it against CM to point out obvious problems in physics or damage model.

[MrDeap 12]

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Especially in a game you have to know what to do visually.

In real life slow gokart you can move forward or back on the seat to change the weight distribution & lean at certain angle.

Every racing games have different physic & it's also the case with real cars.

In my perception, there's no such thing as racing style. You simply adapt & abuse if it's possible.

[Kakkela 3]

RinusRally said:

Kakkela said:

You are attacking against fast legit drivers and calling flaws in game physics proof that they aren't playing game fairly. 
Clever use of game mechanics isn't cheating or even sad. Some people want to be fast, some want to drive because it's fun. Neither group causes any harm to each others.
Instead of using those videos as a proof against drivers, use it against CM to point out obvious problems in physics or damage model.

you've a point but they are not legit. It's abusing exploits and flaws. etc. Remember 6+ leagues but saying people don't use it. How naive. 

It's not exploit if game doesn't break your dampers from massive hits. It's not exploit if game has to much lateral grip. These are the things that are "abused" when going balls to the walls, not some exploits.

I have over 6 leagues and I have never used it. It's not even relevant to these videos because they are just for fun an giggles at leaderboards.

[PaloSamo 0]

Real life rallying has its rules, regulations and physics. Rally crews have to adhere to these. Video games try to emulate (simulators are far too expensive) behaviour of real cars in one way or the other. If someone finds a way to be quick within given game environment than I'm fine with that.

[Porkhammer 78]

bogani said:

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

Speaking of telemetry. A good while back @Porkhammer posted a video of Germany stage in the M3 where there is a haybale chicane just in the beginning. The speed which he took that chicane looked absolutely ridiculous.

Surely that must have been with V1 physics, because it's impossible with V2.

Nah, it was in december. Posted in the V2 thread. Found the vid!

https://youtu.be/2Y2Rz3-rnMU

Doesn't look ridiculous to me, anyone can achieve that with some practice...

[JZStudios 631]

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Uhh, CM themselves said the tires weren't right, but whatever, you keep galloping your white unicorn and trying to trample everyone with your utterly ridiculous restrictions and "qualifications" for cheaters.
P.S. Using cockpit cam is super unrealistic, you should use dash cam.

[JZStudios 631]

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

Speaking of telemetry. A good while back @Porkhammer posted a video of Germany stage in the M3 where there is a haybale chicane just in the beginning. The speed which he took that chicane looked absolutely ridiculous.

Surely that must have been with V1 physics, because it's impossible with V2.

Nah, it was in december. Posted in the V2 thread. Found the vid!

https://youtu.be/2Y2Rz3-rnMU

Doesn't look ridiculous to me, anyone can achieve that with some practice...

I did similar to that. Granted I think it was an Audi, but I'd peg it down to just your low DOR and being able to flick the wheel. You also go really wide before entering so realistically your just turning around the second bale. But if I can do it with 900, then there's not really a problem. Could you try doing a run in 900 just for giggles?

[JZStudios 631]

RinusRally said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Uhh, CM themselves said the tires weren't right, but whatever, you keep galloping your white unicorn and trying to trample everyone with your utterly ridiculous restrictions and "qualifications" for cheaters.
P.S. Using cockpit cam is super unrealistic, you should use dash cam.

dash + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for single screen
cockpit/headcam + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for triple screen

Neither of those links really go to anything... and don't really change anything? I'm not sure if there was a point you were trying to make. You keep talking about restricting everyone to cockpit cam, when it's unrealistic unless your using a rift or vive or something.

[Kakkela 3]

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Uhh, CM themselves said the tires weren't right, but whatever, you keep galloping your white unicorn and trying to trample everyone with your utterly ridiculous restrictions and "qualifications" for cheaters.
P.S. Using cockpit cam is super unrealistic, you should use dash cam.

dash + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for single screen
cockpit/headcam + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for triple screen

Neither of those links really go to anything... and don't really change anything? I'm not sure if there was a point you were trying to make. You keep talking about restricting everyone to cockpit cam, when it's unrealistic unless your using a rift or vive or something.

How exactly is head cam unrealistic?

[bogani 756]

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

Speaking of telemetry. A good while back @Porkhammer posted a video of Germany stage in the M3 where there is a haybale chicane just in the beginning. The speed which he took that chicane looked absolutely ridiculous.

Surely that must have been with V1 physics, because it's impossible with V2.

Nah, it was in december. Posted in the V2 thread. Found the vid!

https://youtu.be/2Y2Rz3-rnMU

Doesn't look ridiculous to me, anyone can achieve that with some practice...

To me it looks ridiculous, and by that I mean compared to real life. Sadly there is no speedo visible so we can't see the speed. I'm also not sure what FOV is being used, that can also have an effect on how it looks.

My point was that the game lets you get away with things that just wouldn't be possible IRL. There is still work to be done on the physics side.

Now this is just my opinion ofcourse, nothing else :)

[Porkhammer 78]

bogani said:

To me it looks ridiculous, and by that I mean compared to real life. Sadly there is no speedo visible so we can't see the speed. I'm also not sure what FOV is being used, that can also have an effect on how it looks.

Always 0.7 fov for me.

[bogani 756]

Porkhammer said:

bogani said:

To me it looks ridiculous, and by that I mean compared to real life. Sadly there is no speedo visible so we can't see the speed. I'm also not sure what FOV is being used, that can also have an effect on how it looks.

Always 0.7 fov for me.

Ok. I'm at 0.6 as that is what the the fixed dash cam is :)

[JZStudios 631]

Kakkela said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Uhh, CM themselves said the tires weren't right, but whatever, you keep galloping your white unicorn and trying to trample everyone with your utterly ridiculous restrictions and "qualifications" for cheaters.
P.S. Using cockpit cam is super unrealistic, you should use dash cam.

dash + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for single screen
cockpit/headcam + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for triple screen

Neither of those links really go to anything... and don't really change anything? I'm not sure if there was a point you were trying to make. You keep talking about restricting everyone to cockpit cam, when it's unrealistic unless your using a rift or vive or something.

How exactly is head cam unrealistic?

As many people have said many times before, it's like having two dashboards in front of you, with two wheels and an extra set of arms. DR also doesn't really possess the ability to give me a FOV that would be realistic.

[Kakkela 3]

JZStudios said:

Kakkela said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Uhh, CM themselves said the tires weren't right, but whatever, you keep galloping your white unicorn and trying to trample everyone with your utterly ridiculous restrictions and "qualifications" for cheaters.
P.S. Using cockpit cam is super unrealistic, you should use dash cam.

dash + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for single screen
cockpit/headcam + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for triple screen

Neither of those links really go to anything... and don't really change anything? I'm not sure if there was a point you were trying to make. You keep talking about restricting everyone to cockpit cam, when it's unrealistic unless your using a rift or vive or something.

How exactly is head cam unrealistic?

As many people have said many times before, it's like having two dashboards in front of you, with two wheels and an extra set of arms. DR also doesn't really possess the ability to give me a FOV that would be realistic.

Dirt fov goes down to 30, how small is your screen if its not realistic?
Steering wheel and hands can be turned off.

[PaloSamo 0]

It can't be realistic as it is only a representation of what's visible in front of you on a flat surface, aka monitor screen. No real 3D depth.

[Kakkela 3]

PaloSamo said:

It can't be realistic as it is only a representation of what's visible in front of you on a flat surface, aka monitor screen. No real 3D depth.

So no game ever is realistic without VR? Ok m8 have fun racing your games.

[PaloSamo 0]

I do have fun racing my games and I always will because I know they are only GAMES.

As for Porkhammer's "fishy" setups: I've just done 4th time with Manta on Oksala using it. Good job my friend :)
(I forgot to add that I'm using G27 with 33cm wheel at 540DOR, dashcam at 55FOV and manual H + clutch. No trainers. As in: socks only.)

[MrDeap 12]

PaloSamo said:

I do have fun racing my games and I always will because I know they are only GAMES.

As for Porkhammer's "fishy" setups: I've just done 4th time with Manta on Oksala using it. Good job my friend :)
(I forgot to add that I'm using G27 with 33cm wheel at 540DOR, dashcam at 55FOV and manual H + clutch. No trainers. As in: socks only.)

At 540 DOR if you don't turn your wheel at 180 degree most of the time(wheel setting on default in the game), it mean you're not driving on the racing line & turn too wide.

You can correct the issue by lower the DOR to 270 or 360.

[KevM 44]

PaloSamo said:

I do have fun racing my games and I always will because I know they are only GAMES.

As for Porkhammer's "fishy" setups: I've just done 4th time with Manta on Oksala using it. Good job my friend :)
(I forgot to add that I'm using G27 with 33cm wheel at 540DOR, dashcam at 55FOV and manual H + clutch. No trainers. As in: socks only.)

You boys know I love a challenge....  lol

I only have a quick 2 min Manta setup for Finland, but 3 runs and Im a second off you in 7th WW.  Gonna make a couple of changes and see how we go!  :)

[PaloSamo 0]

Scrap that. I just shaved my PB off a couple of tens of a second using... a default setup. It's all down to hotlapping, I guess  :|

Thanks Mr. Deap, but I will stay with my 540. I bought a G27 (and then 33cm aftermarker racing wheel) for a reason ;)

You got me there KevM, but I'm within a second behind you. It seems that fine-tuning gearbox for every stage is the key.

[KevM 44]

Did a 3.11.392 for 3rd after a slight gear ratio tweak, made 2 mistakes too, I'm with 1/2 a second off 2nd place now.   The setup Iv saved, is unreal

If anyone wants to give it a try, its Published here:-
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=652267405

Recorded a replay, but TBH it looks like F all.  Closer to Golfing than Rallying!

[JZStudios 631]

Kakkela said:

JZStudios said:

Kakkela said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

JZStudios said:

RinusRally said:

It's all clear to me now. These elite that are named the best of Dirt Rally aren't worthy. Better take off the vip-banners cause they doesn't replicate the sim-crowd; they are hotlappers which exploit every arcadish feature for their own ego's. If the time is not fast 1st place or top 3. They just alt-F4 the game so the time won't be uploaded, they practice every daily and weekly. They exploit shortcuts, exterior cams, low dofs, low/no ffb, etc. 

Take a famous Dirt Rally Streamer as example since he switched to 270 degrees he is faster and better than ever., but does it simulate real life rally? No It's just an way to exploit fast times, boost your ego and make the Dirt Rally community think you are awesome, but you are not. 

I am a little bit done this elite that appear to be the very best. Not giving arguments, only crying against my suggestion to create a more sim-like environment for the game. Features, and other stuff.  

After all these video's on youtube and streams on twitch are good marketing for Dirt Rally, lol. 

edit: Take the flat tyre-discussion as example. Tyres are fine. Nothing wrong with them, but because this elite find them too precious Codemasters listened to them and upped the strength of the tyres. The elite just don't know how to properly adjust the dampers and suspension. 

Uhh, CM themselves said the tires weren't right, but whatever, you keep galloping your white unicorn and trying to trample everyone with your utterly ridiculous restrictions and "qualifications" for cheaters.
P.S. Using cockpit cam is super unrealistic, you should use dash cam.

dash + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for single screen
cockpit/headcam + fov adjustment from http://www.projectimmersion.com/ for triple screen

Neither of those links really go to anything... and don't really change anything? I'm not sure if there was a point you were trying to make. You keep talking about restricting everyone to cockpit cam, when it's unrealistic unless your using a rift or vive or something.

How exactly is head cam unrealistic?

As many people have said many times before, it's like having two dashboards in front of you, with two wheels and an extra set of arms. DR also doesn't really possess the ability to give me a FOV that would be realistic.

Dirt fov goes down to 30, how small is your screen if its not realistic?
Steering wheel and hands can be turned off.

The FOV in DR is weird. In AC I can get a pretty good representation of how it should look and put my camera where I like it while I can't in DR. I'm not going to argue it either.

[MrDeap 12]

That's weird, I've beaten @KevM previous run & currently 22th with a time of 3:17.892.(edit: Note wheel rotation at 270, btw I'm not a good driver)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yltXK9Q_VI

According to the telemetry & my wheel input, I still don't turn the wheel more than 180 degree on most corners despite the telemetry setup at 540(default setup).