The Cheat Thread

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

OK, here is a thread to talk about cheats and hacks in the game. But there are rules.

1, No public naming and shaming.

2, No posting links in the thread.

3, No insulting, name calling, eye gouging, hair paulling or anything of the kind.

4, If you have proof of someone cheating or links to hacks/cheats pm them to @Hatward

5, Don't explain how to do any exploits either, send the relevant information, via pm to @Hatward

Why pm's to @Hatward

1, It's in the rules, the ones you signed up to when you joined.

2, It's how Codies asked people to do it on 1 of the live shows.

3, Because they don't want scripkiddies to know that they know what they know and if you post that information in the thread then they will know that Codies know that Codies know what they thought Codies didn't know. You know what I'm saying.

That's it, until someone kindly points out some other blindingly obvious mistake. Play nice.

[KevM 44]

Rules?? Killjoy....  lol.                    

[JZStudios 631]

No posting links? weird.
And number 3. reminds of some movie I can't put my finger on.....
Also 3 is the only number succeeded by a period and not a comma. :smiley: 

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

Hang on, I forgot the one about being cheeky to the mod...

[JZStudios 631]

Found it.                                                                     
https://youtu.be/GH0EjRNWbuE

[MrDeap 12]

So technically we can write about exploit freely?

[PaloSamo 0]

If everyone sticks to the rules the thread will die itself. 

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

RinusRally said:

This topic will deleted anyway, just like the shortcut-topic. 

What shortcut topic? I didn't delete any shortcut topic.

[KevM 44]

It was requested by the OP that it be removed.  It was silly posting it 

[Fedemaisonnave 48]

I dont know anything about it, but i heard about the no limits for stages mod, that you dont get the time penalties and you can go everywhere, I suggest to take a look there because in Bidno Moorland there are some really really unreal times, maybe massive cutting without penalty is the trick, as I said I have no idea and i dont know if it works I never tested and I wouldnt do it anyway

[Porkhammer 78]

KevM said:

It was requested by the OP that it be removed.  It was silly posting it 

Actually it was suggested by Codemasters themselves, and I agreed to it. ;) They made a fair point that I completely overlooked.

[JZStudios 631]

Fedemaisonnave said:

I dont know anything about it, but i heard about the no limits for stages mod, that you dont get the time penalties and you can go everywhere, I suggest to take a look there because in Bidno Moorland there are some really really unreal times, maybe massive cutting without penalty is the trick, as I said I have no idea and i dont know if it works I never tested and I wouldnt do it anyway

While I could see that being abused, as poor a driver as I am I'd like to have the option to not mystically teleport back to the track.

[MrDeap 12]

I'll start with something decent, so the cheating is not really cheating so people can understand some of the difference.

In my opinion, the reason why nearly everyone is not playing the same game is mostly due to disconnection from the game & don't have a setup to make the most out of it. So they may feel like if someone is cheating.

It mostly start from you see a legit stage run where the player crash, understeer outside the track, make a full 360 spin & make a top 10 in the leaderboard(*chuckle).

I kind of know the issue why while one person is paranoid while the rest want to share. So it's a good start up as a discussion.

[dynt 0]

Lets all stay on topic its all about balls, whose ball moves and in the correct manner, does the ball move, why do some users balls move and some dont,this is the true nitty gritty that we all want to know about !

[MrDeap 12]

dynt said:

Lets all stay on topic its all about balls, whose ball moves and in the correct manner, does the ball move, why do some users balls move and some dont,this is the true nitty gritty that we all want to know about !

That's because Telemetry G meter work mostly at 60hz. 

The main issue with the large amount of time is because nearly everyone play the game wrong.

When you play in high degree rotation, you tend to make the car simply turn. When you race, you have to make the car rotate(kind of..).

What's odd is sometime the car should understeer, but doesn't. Having the car often full lock when you do not in real life is odd for most.

I tried a bit in 270 degree & reduced a bit the FFB to make the car easier to to rotate instead of simply turn in. Obviously if you screw one corner by handicap, you screw all of them.

Demo of my test in 270 degree(not to mention the car use the default setup, featured daily once so there's a good chunk of times).
Leaderboard at the end of the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq5_5YgGMvg

I gained like a good 15sec over my previous time(540 degree). It's quite noticeable during hairpin as balance the car full lock on both side. I could've have crash & maintain in the top 50.

The car snap more easily on full lock than when not in full lock. It tend to delay to switch direction when you do a scandinavian flick at higher steering ratio due because you don't fully lock & the speed you turn the wheel.

So the the myth about console player that will not be able to keep up against the DiRT hero may not be the case is they know they simply need to focus on the entry rotation & maintain acceleration while abusing full lock.

Technically the car should snap in a way that it cannot be corrected, but you can due to full lock abuse.

[Fedemaisonnave 48]

JZStudios said:

Fedemaisonnave said:

I dont know anything about it, but i heard about the no limits for stages mod, that you dont get the time penalties and you can go everywhere, I suggest to take a look there because in Bidno Moorland there are some really really unreal times, maybe massive cutting without penalty is the trick, as I said I have no idea and i dont know if it works I never tested and I wouldnt do it anyway

While I could see that being abused, as poor a driver as I am I'd like to have the option to not mystically teleport back to the track.

Could be an option to extend the limits and when you turn on the extended limits options, racenet do not upload your time

[KevM 44]

dynt said:

Lets all stay on topic its all about balls, whose ball moves and in the correct manner, does the ball move, why do some users balls move and some dont,this is the true nitty gritty that we all want to know about !

Its really simple....

Ball Skills with Standard physics:-
https://youtu.be/uH3FA17dUyw

Ball Skills with Trainer:-
https://youtu.be/ifVjk2_kbXs

The ball is the same size, the lateral forces are roughly the same size.  
Heavy Ball =  Less movement

SIMPLE  :)

[gheeD 15]

Steering rotation does make it easier, but it is really mostly just preference. I can match my times easily with 900 degrees of rotation after few runs of practice. Because of you have the skill, its just a matter of adapting to turning the wheel more.

Personally i use 540 and feel that with 900 degrees the ffb doesnt quite work because the center has some deadzone, i cant quite get a feel for the road when going straight. I think that might be because dirt was and always has been designed for those arcadish 270 degrees (imo). When they updated ffb it helped and maybe made the higher degrees usable but i still cant get used to it because the ffb just feels much better and sharper at 540. (Which ive used ever since i started rallying with RBR)

[dgeesi0 305]

if you fast you will be fast with 900 or 270. doesn't matter.

[dynt 0]

KevM said:

dynt said:

Lets all stay on topic its all about balls, whose ball moves and in the correct manner, does the ball move, why do some users balls move and some dont,this is the true nitty gritty that we all want to know about !

Its really simple....

Ball Skills with Standard physics:-
https://youtu.be/uH3FA17dUyw

Ball Skills with Trainer:-
https://youtu.be/ifVjk2_kbXs

The ball is the same size, the lateral forces are roughly the same size.  
Heavy Ball =  Less movement

SIMPLE  :)

thank god some got that i was talking the pi***

[KevM 44]

Its a funny analogy, but the general concept can still be applied to the "Ball-gate" saga

[dgeesi0 305]

or maybe they have leagues bugs ?

im not condoning anyone exploiting but for eg on the website currently im in one league but my game for some reason still has 6 ! even though they are removed ! so some others may have this.

[KevM 44]

I suggested tiering the Leaderboards.  To be honest, I think its the definite best way of doing it.

[Kakkela 3]

KevM said:

I suggested tiering the Leaderboards.  To be honest, I think its the definite best way of doing it.

How would you tier them?

[dgeesi0 305]

in half ? :D