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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....


no not a good start is it. Thankfully you still have 45 games to go and turn it around.
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
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I think Sunderland will be in for a tough season, remind me of Villa last year.

Wel Villa never dropped to league 1 so at least for them that's a blessing


Going to be a strange season for us playing at Wembley instead of the Lane. But I guess we'll just have to make the most of it. At least until we get our new stadium next season.

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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
I can tbh. Easily. Going to put money on it too, the way Sunderland is being managed.
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
I can tbh. Easily. Going to put money on it too, the way Sunderland is being managed.
We aren't going down again. Our squad is by no means relegation bad and Grayson knows what he is doing. Short is looking to sell, he's not going to let us go down again and lose more money.
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
I can tbh. Easily. Going to put money on it too, the way Sunderland is being managed.
Well Villa at the time they went down couldn't even beat it's reserve team they were that bad Sunderland at least I think are a bit better than that.
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
I can tbh. Easily. Going to put money on it too, the way Sunderland is being managed.
We aren't going down again. Our squad is by no means relegation bad and Grayson knows what he is doing. Short is looking to sell, he's not going to let us go down again and lose more money.
Just because you're a Sunderland-fan and you're cool, I actually hope they don't relegate and sort out their mismanagement tbh. Not aware of any changes in and around Sunderland's upper echelon though, so maybe they're on a different route now.

But clubs who spent year after year screwing things up in the top flight (or any division) and then suddenly do get the drop, tend to get themselves into another relegation scrap eventually. Whether it's the first season right away or the following ones after that.

At least you still have Khazri though. But what's the situation around Robbin Ruiter, I've seen people rate him, but he was benched at the start of the season for Steele, who imo was dreadful. Is he going to start for them, because if that first game of Steele is going to be a preview of what's to come, Ruiter should start tbh.

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I lived in the UK for 3 years and never could figure out why the game is so popular. All that backwards passing and obscenely overpaid players just put me off ever watching it. To me 'football' is Australian rules which I've heard non aussies describe as 'a big fight for two hours with teams, where a score is kept' HAHA
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I lived in the UK for 3 years and never could figure out why the game is so popular. All that backwards passing and obscenely overpaid players just put me off ever watching it. To me 'football' is Australian rules which I've heard non aussies describe as 'a big fight for two hours with teams, where a score is kept' HAHA
Not just in this country but most of the world in fact. But then we did invent the game probably is our most famous export now. :p However I do agree about the money players and clubs tend to get paid way too much these days.
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I lived in the UK for 3 years and never could figure out why the game is so popular. All that backwards passing and obscenely overpaid players just put me off ever watching it. To me 'football' is Australian rules which I've heard non aussies describe as 'a big fight for two hours with teams, where a score is kept' HAHA
Not just in this country but most of the world in fact. But then we did invent the game probably is our most famous export now. :p However I do agree about the money players and clubs tend to get paid way too much these days.
Yep the only place I haven't seen football (soccer) played was in the US but I understand that is gaining some traction there. It gets a run here but not a lot of interest.
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I lived in the UK for 3 years and never could figure out why the game is so popular. All that backwards passing and obscenely overpaid players just put me off ever watching it. To me 'football' is Australian rules which I've heard non aussies describe as 'a big fight for two hours with teams, where a score is kept' HAHA
Not just in this country but most of the world in fact. But then we did invent the game probably is our most famous export now. :p However I do agree about the money players and clubs tend to get paid way too much these days.
Yep the only place I haven't seen football (soccer) played was in the US but I understand that is gaining some traction there. It gets a run here but not a lot of interest.
yeah it's starting to grow there with the MLS but then with the American's it's always had a bit of a hit and miss relationship in the US
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
I can tbh. Easily. Going to put money on it too, the way Sunderland is being managed.
We aren't going down again. Our squad is by no means relegation bad and Grayson knows what he is doing. Short is looking to sell, he's not going to let us go down again and lose more money.
Just because you're a Sunderland-fan and you're cool, I actually hope they don't relegate and sort out their mismanagement tbh. Not aware of any changes in and around Sunderland's upper echelon though, so maybe they're on a different route now.

But clubs who spent year after year screwing things up in the top flight (or any division) and then suddenly do get the drop, tend to get themselves into another relegation scrap eventually. Whether it's the first season right away or the following ones after that.

At least you still have Khazri though. But what's the situation around Robbin Ruiter, I've seen people rate him, but he was benched at the start of the season for Steele, who imo was dreadful. Is he going to start for them, because if that first game of Steele is going to be a preview of what's to come, Ruiter should start tbh.

4 points from 2 games, not looking so bad now is it?

Khazri won't be here at the end of the window and I'm thankful for that, his heart isn't in it and he's been shocking for the last 6 months. Steele started again today and seems to be getting better (he could hardly get worse), but I also want Ruiter starting.
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Losing the first game of the season 8-2 isn't great, that's me being polite. Still Norwich lost first game of the season 7-2 or something a few years ago and won the league, that's me clutching at straws.....

I was quite happy with our draw yesterday, I was fearing double drop!
I don't see Sundreland suffering a double relegation your teams not that bad.
I can tbh. Easily. Going to put money on it too, the way Sunderland is being managed.
We aren't going down again. Our squad is by no means relegation bad and Grayson knows what he is doing. Short is looking to sell, he's not going to let us go down again and lose more money.
Just because you're a Sunderland-fan and you're cool, I actually hope they don't relegate and sort out their mismanagement tbh. Not aware of any changes in and around Sunderland's upper echelon though, so maybe they're on a different route now.

But clubs who spent year after year screwing things up in the top flight (or any division) and then suddenly do get the drop, tend to get themselves into another relegation scrap eventually. Whether it's the first season right away or the following ones after that.

At least you still have Khazri though. But what's the situation around Robbin Ruiter, I've seen people rate him, but he was benched at the start of the season for Steele, who imo was dreadful. Is he going to start for them, because if that first game of Steele is going to be a preview of what's to come, Ruiter should start tbh.

4 points from 2 games, not looking so bad now is it?

Khazri won't be here at the end of the window and I'm thankful for that, his heart isn't in it and he's been shocking for the last 6 months. Steele started again today and seems to be getting better (he could hardly get worse), but I also want Ruiter starting.
seems both our clubs had good days then given we beat Nwecastle 2-0. Much better than the last time we played them.
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So Harry  Redknapp  wants to come and work at Yeovil, I’d love it to happen as our manager is so young and needs help (we have players older than the manager) plus with our rubbish owners who did nothing but pocket the money we got for getting into the championship. @Lukedfrt I think it’s a joke that he was sacked, given time he would have done well.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
Yeah Harry always has a good connection with the fans but then I think it's because he's honest and a hard worker. Did a great job during his spell with us as well. Got us playing some really nice football.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
I wouldn't say he was lousy  a lot of the time he was working at clubs with pretty limited resources and a lot of the time were facing stuff like relegation and a lot of the time he saved them. As for the weird transfer dealing the people who own the clubs are probably just as much if not more responsible for that than he is.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
Can’t cripple us anymore than our owners who were born in the Stone Age. Like how do you go from being in the championship with lots of great players, to now every season fighting to stay in the football league. 

Our manager does need help though, we have players older than him. His playing career was ended early after a bad car accident, so if Harry can help st all then that’s great. I don’t think Harry is lousy though, he’s also not to blame for financial mismanagement, as that’s up to the owners not him.

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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
I wouldn't say he was lousy  a lot of the time he was working at clubs with pretty limited resources and a lot of the time were facing stuff like relegation and a lot of the time he saved them. As for the weird transfer dealing the people who own the clubs are probably just as much if not more responsible for that than he is.
He relegated Southampton and QPR, ruined Portsmouth and Queens Park Rangers by signing a monster load of odd players on shady contracts with crippling clauses and had a Tottenham with Modric and Bale in them and finished behind an Arsenal led by Song and Benayoun. Former players like Van der Vaart has stated that his tactical prowess and level of professionalism is basically non-existent and that the players basically managed themselves at Tottenham. Horrible manager. Especially at QPR, that was peak Redknapp. One of the highest wage bills in the league, had CL-winners in his side, Julio Cesar at goal, but dropped him for Green and QPR was dead last. Twice.

I also strongly disagree with the idea that the club is more responsible for Redknapp's mismanagement than Redknapp himself. You shouldn't give Redknapp that much liberties, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he misuses them greatly when he gets them. Always finds a way to get "his people" involved. Plus English football culture is about giving the manager lots of freedom to control the technical aspect of the game. I think West Brom a few years ago with Clarke, was one of the few clubs where they didn't had a manager, but a head coach who had zero say in which players came in. Either way, you can at best blame the club for making the appointment, but that doesn't excuse Redknapp's disgraceful wheel-and-dealing ways that's somehow branded as endearing by the media over the years.

Zola was doing a terrible job, so last season was more about getting him out than getting someone in, but Birmingham City should be glad they got Redknapp out as early as they did before he got a chance to sign Niko Kranjcar. Although I still don't get why they got rid of Gary Rowett.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
I wouldn't say he was lousy  a lot of the time he was working at clubs with pretty limited resources and a lot of the time were facing stuff like relegation and a lot of the time he saved them. As for the weird transfer dealing the people who own the clubs are probably just as much if not more responsible for that than he is.
He relegated Southampton and QPR, ruined Portsmouth and Queens Park Rangers by signing a monster load of odd players on shady contracts with crippling clauses and had a Tottenham with Modric and Bale in them and finished behind an Arsenal led by Song and Benayoun. Former players like Van der Vaart has stated that his tactical prowess and level of professionalism is basically non-existent and that the players basically managed themselves at Tottenham. Horrible manager. Especially at QPR, that was peak Redknapp. One of the highest wage bills in the league, had CL-winners in his side, Julio Cesar at goal, but dropped him for Green and QPR was dead last. Twice.

I also strongly disagree with the idea that the club is more responsible for Redknapp's mismanagement than Redknapp himself. You shouldn't give Redknapp that much liberties, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he misuses them greatly when he gets them. Always finds a way to get "his people" involved. Plus English football culture is about giving the manager lots of freedom to control the technical aspect of the game. I think West Brom a few years ago with Clarke, was one of the few clubs where they didn't had a manager, but a head coach who had zero say in which players came in. Either way, you can at best blame the club for making the appointment, but that doesn't excuse Redknapp's disgraceful wheel-and-dealing ways that's somehow branded as endearing by the media over the years.

Zola was doing a terrible job, so last season was more about getting him out than getting someone in, but Birmingham City should be glad they got Redknapp out as early as they did before he got a chance to sign Niko Kranjcar. Although I still don't get why they got rid of Gary Rowett.

In the case of Southampton and QPR being relegated that was just bad luck and personally I was quite happy with what he did for us at Spurs. Got a bit unlucky with Chelsea winning the Champion's League that year but otherwise a good job. Also for me Portsmouth's problems were caused a lot by their owners not Harry imo. Cesar wasn't doing that well in QPR's goal from what I noticed that year so wasn't surprise3d he got dropped I'd have dropped him as well.
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
I wouldn't say he was lousy  a lot of the time he was working at clubs with pretty limited resources and a lot of the time were facing stuff like relegation and a lot of the time he saved them. As for the weird transfer dealing the people who own the clubs are probably just as much if not more responsible for that than he is.
He relegated Southampton and QPR, ruined Portsmouth and Queens Park Rangers by signing a monster load of odd players on shady contracts with crippling clauses and had a Tottenham with Modric and Bale in them and finished behind an Arsenal led by Song and Benayoun. Former players like Van der Vaart has stated that his tactical prowess and level of professionalism is basically non-existent and that the players basically managed themselves at Tottenham. Horrible manager. Especially at QPR, that was peak Redknapp. One of the highest wage bills in the league, had CL-winners in his side, Julio Cesar at goal, but dropped him for Green and QPR was dead last. Twice.

I also strongly disagree with the idea that the club is more responsible for Redknapp's mismanagement than Redknapp himself. You shouldn't give Redknapp that much liberties, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he misuses them greatly when he gets them. Always finds a way to get "his people" involved. Plus English football culture is about giving the manager lots of freedom to control the technical aspect of the game. I think West Brom a few years ago with Clarke, was one of the few clubs where they didn't had a manager, but a head coach who had zero say in which players came in. Either way, you can at best blame the club for making the appointment, but that doesn't excuse Redknapp's disgraceful wheel-and-dealing ways that's somehow branded as endearing by the media over the years.

Zola was doing a terrible job, so last season was more about getting him out than getting someone in, but Birmingham City should be glad they got Redknapp out as early as they did before he got a chance to sign Niko Kranjcar. Although I still don't get why they got rid of Gary Rowett.

In the case of Southampton and QPR being relegated that was just bad luck and personally I was quite happy with what he did for us at Spurs. Got a bit unlucky with Chelsea winning the Champion's League that year but otherwise a good job. Also for me Portsmouth's problems were caused a lot by their owners not Harry imo. Cesar wasn't doing that well in QPR's goal from what I noticed that year so wasn't surprise3d he got dropped I'd have dropped him as well.
QPR was definitely not bad luck. Bad luck is when Marco Silva got relegated with Hull City. When you've clearly set up a team with a solid organization who impresses in games, but just can't quite get the results needed to stay up. Not the case with Redknapp and QPR. That was mismanagement all over the place. A team that played like a complete mess, horrible team selection, no real mentality in them. And Julio Cesar wasn't doing well (who was), but Green ended up doing even worse.

Missing out on CL-football with Spurs was unlucky and unprecedented in the sense that 4th wasn't enough for CL-qualification that year, but again, they lost a 15-point advantage over Arsenal. Who were a complete meme that season. That capitulation is a direct result of Redknapp's inability to install proper tactics in that team. Of course, it wasn't all bad, he still got them CL. He probably had a role in Spurs' bold approach to games and their offensive drive. However, it was extremely unbalanced. Good managers can do that and still make sure the team can at least defend. But the negative greatly outweighed the positive and Spurs haven't looked back since sacking him.

As for Portsmouth, I can't see how that was not on Harry Redknapp. He's the one who's been given responsibility over their transfer dealings and how contracts are set up. If Redknapp didn't had a say in that, then he wouldn't be able to pocket money every time he signed a player for them. So signing a truck load of players benefitted him financially. It can't be underestimated how much influence types like Redknapp really have at smaller clubs. They get buddy-buddy with owners, get their people and their connections in and basically end up having say over the entire club. It's not like something you see with most PL-clubs nowadays where there's a clear hierarchy between club owners and manager. Bournemouth apparently got ruined in similar fashion in the 80s/90s thanks to Redknapp's ways of managing. When that happens on four seperate occassions, you can definitely point fingers at Redknapp for it. And the worst part about it, is that he knew he was running a club into the ground. Because he fully used that to his advantage when he moved from Portsmouth to Tottenham and then bought Pompey's best players for cheap fees because he knew exactly how much Pompey needed the money. And even at Tottenham, he's had some very dodgy transfers, like Pavlyuchenko, Nelsen, Saha, Khumalo, Pienaar. But it's understandable if Tottenham-fans aren't as negative to Redknapp as fans of most other clubs, he was relatively kept in check there. But again, Tottenham isn't a small club, they had more of a foundation to go their own way.

I do appreciate this discussion though, it's cool to talk with someone with a different viewpoint who doesn't act like a baby when he sees opposing opinions.
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Talking of overrated managers...                


There's ten teams there so it's hard to know who you're talking about but I'll assume this is another stab at Arsenal and Wenger. 

Not sure how he's over rated though as there aren't many people who rate him whatsoever anymore. He should have called it a day years ago and saved his reputation. 


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Talking of overrated managers...                


There's ten teams there so it's hard to know who you're talking about but I'll assume this is another stab at Arsenal and Wenger. 

Not sure how he's over rated though as there aren't many people who rate him whatsoever anymore. He should have called it a day years ago and saved his reputation. 


Wait, do you support Arsenal too?
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Yeah they definitely shouldn't have sacked him, needed another 5 games to settle the players in properly. I'm gutted it didn't work out, he had a real connection with the fans.. I do think he's a bit overrated though, and he has made a few questionable signings that we're now left with.
That's Harry Redknapp in a nutshell, popular figure, but a lousy manager, odd tranfer dealings that can cripple a club for years to come and an overall lousy human being.
I wouldn't say he was lousy  a lot of the time he was working at clubs with pretty limited resources and a lot of the time were facing stuff like relegation and a lot of the time he saved them. As for the weird transfer dealing the people who own the clubs are probably just as much if not more responsible for that than he is.
He relegated Southampton and QPR, ruined Portsmouth and Queens Park Rangers by signing a monster load of odd players on shady contracts with crippling clauses and had a Tottenham with Modric and Bale in them and finished behind an Arsenal led by Song and Benayoun. Former players like Van der Vaart has stated that his tactical prowess and level of professionalism is basically non-existent and that the players basically managed themselves at Tottenham. Horrible manager. Especially at QPR, that was peak Redknapp. One of the highest wage bills in the league, had CL-winners in his side, Julio Cesar at goal, but dropped him for Green and QPR was dead last. Twice.

I also strongly disagree with the idea that the club is more responsible for Redknapp's mismanagement than Redknapp himself. You shouldn't give Redknapp that much liberties, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he misuses them greatly when he gets them. Always finds a way to get "his people" involved. Plus English football culture is about giving the manager lots of freedom to control the technical aspect of the game. I think West Brom a few years ago with Clarke, was one of the few clubs where they didn't had a manager, but a head coach who had zero say in which players came in. Either way, you can at best blame the club for making the appointment, but that doesn't excuse Redknapp's disgraceful wheel-and-dealing ways that's somehow branded as endearing by the media over the years.

Zola was doing a terrible job, so last season was more about getting him out than getting someone in, but Birmingham City should be glad they got Redknapp out as early as they did before he got a chance to sign Niko Kranjcar. Although I still don't get why they got rid of Gary Rowett.

In the case of Southampton and QPR being relegated that was just bad luck and personally I was quite happy with what he did for us at Spurs. Got a bit unlucky with Chelsea winning the Champion's League that year but otherwise a good job. Also for me Portsmouth's problems were caused a lot by their owners not Harry imo. Cesar wasn't doing that well in QPR's goal from what I noticed that year so wasn't surprise3d he got dropped I'd have dropped him as well.
QPR was definitely not bad luck. Bad luck is when Marco Silva got relegated with Hull City. When you've clearly set up a team with a solid organization who impresses in games, but just can't quite get the results needed to stay up. Not the case with Redknapp and QPR. That was mismanagement all over the place. A team that played like a complete mess, horrible team selection, no real mentality in them. And Julio Cesar wasn't doing well (who was), but Green ended up doing even worse.

Missing out on CL-football with Spurs was unlucky and unprecedented in the sense that 4th wasn't enough for CL-qualification that year, but again, they lost a 15-point advantage over Arsenal. Who were a complete meme that season. That capitulation is a direct result of Redknapp's inability to install proper tactics in that team. Of course, it wasn't all bad, he still got them CL. He probably had a role in Spurs' bold approach to games and their offensive drive. However, it was extremely unbalanced. Good managers can do that and still make sure the team can at least defend. But the negative greatly outweighed the positive and Spurs haven't looked back since sacking him.

As for Portsmouth, I can't see how that was not on Harry Redknapp. He's the one who's been given responsibility over their transfer dealings and how contracts are set up. If Redknapp didn't had a say in that, then he wouldn't be able to pocket money every time he signed a player for them. So signing a truck load of players benefitted him financially. It can't be underestimated how much influence types like Redknapp really have at smaller clubs. They get buddy-buddy with owners, get their people and their connections in and basically end up having say over the entire club. It's not like something you see with most PL-clubs nowadays where there's a clear hierarchy between club owners and manager. Bournemouth apparently got ruined in similar fashion in the 80s/90s thanks to Redknapp's ways of managing. When that happens on four seperate occassions, you can definitely point fingers at Redknapp for it. And the worst part about it, is that he knew he was running a club into the ground. Because he fully used that to his advantage when he moved from Portsmouth to Tottenham and then bought Pompey's best players for cheap fees because he knew exactly how much Pompey needed the money. And even at Tottenham, he's had some very dodgy transfers, like Pavlyuchenko, Nelsen, Saha, Khumalo, Pienaar. But it's understandable if Tottenham-fans aren't as negative to Redknapp as fans of most other clubs, he was relatively kept in check there. But again, Tottenham isn't a small club, they had more of a foundation to go their own way.

I do appreciate this discussion though, it's cool to talk with someone with a different viewpoint who doesn't act like a baby when he sees opposing opinions.
My point is though the Porttsmouth owners could have still said no we can't afford it after all that is their job. So in my view it still makes them just as guilty for their demise in the end.
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