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Belgiums B team are better than most of the first teams taking part in the tournament. You can't really read anything into the performance last night.

The media's 'easy route to the final' campaign is just bullshit. None of those teams left are going to be easy to beat. Croatia v Brazil final looking quite likely to me.
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EUfkdup said:
Belgiums B team are better than most of the first teams taking part in the tournament. You can't really read anything into the performance last night.

The media's 'easy route to the final' campaign is just ****. None of those teams left are going to be easy to beat. Croatia v Brazil final looking quite likely to me.
TBH it didn't look like we were trying to win almost like we were happy to lose which sends out the wrong message to me but I do agree with you in that I think either Spain or Brazil will win again.
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How will it? Premier league teams do it all the time, when there's a cup game and they rest players for the league, it doesn't affect their league performance or momentum.


Yes PL team do it but Leagues are all about maintaining consistency over a long period Cups are all about being able to perform on the day and managers have to prioritize which competitions are most important to them Gareth on the other hand only has to worry about 1 the world cup which is for the most part a cup competition Generally the best way to win a cup competition is to keep building momentum not resting your players because you think you can get away with it. Because invariably if you do that you will get caught out.

Making as many changes as he did was risky and we got caught out by Belgium and I just feel it's likely going to cost momentum as well of course I don't know for certain but that's what I feel. I want England to win of course I just don't feel that it's going to happen as I still think there are better teams in the competition than us. If we'd have kept that momentum going and beat Belgium then maybe I'd have felt we'd have a chance but with how that game played out I still have my doubts because for me the team had a chance to really show what they could do and for me they blew it.


Also league managers have to deal with 50/60 games a season a national team manager assuming they go the distance of a World Cup only has to worry about 7 at most. 3 group 4 knockout and that's assuming their team goes the distance.

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Justice really.

Should have been down to 10 men, then delayed the penalty by 5 minutes, also scuffed the penalty spot up before it was taken, so that should have been a red. Then scored in 5 mins added time, when it was Colombia themselves that wasted the time so there shouldn't have been that much added on.


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Justice really.

Should have been down to 10 men, then delayed the penalty by 5 minutes, also scuffed the penalty spot up before it was taken, so that should have been a red. Then scored in 5 mins added time, when it was Colombia themselves that wasted the time so there shouldn't have been that much added on.


yeah it was justice I have to admit I am starting to believe now after that penalty shoot out. However for me we still need to do better against Sweden though and given how good they can be on the defence it's not going to be easy. But I agree they could easily had and probably should have had 1 or 2 people sent off there. The ref was very lenient too lenient to be honest. But we did let them come back at us in the end we can't afford that against Sweden.
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This is the first beer I've had since like January lol. I shouldn't drink really because of the meds I take, but normally do, for what ever reason I haven't for ages. There's more beer in my fridge than food haha. I can tell you, the buzz you get after a few beers when you haven't had any alcohol in months is so good, starting with a 8% strength beer probably wasn't smart. Anyway I'm rambling, it's coming home!
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This is the first beer I've had since like January lol. I shouldn't drink really because of the meds I take, but normally do, for what ever reason I haven't for ages. There's more beer in my fridge than food haha. I can tell you, the buzz you get after a few beers when you haven't had any alcohol in months is so good, starting with a 8% strength beer probably wasn't smart. Anyway I'm rambling, it's coming home!
Yeah I think it is now if Russia fall to Croatia I think definitely it's in our hands. However facing Russia on it's own turf could prove difficult if we're not careful. I would prefer facing Croatia than Russia but if we can play the way we have done we can beat them. But playing Russia on their own turf is the bit the concerns me most.
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Guys I’m just dropping in here to tell you.. that the only thing that’s coming home, is the French with a World Cup trophy in their hands.

while I am Irish and the only English teams I will ever cheer for are Man United and Red Bull Racing (who are technically Austrian) I am far more salty about France so I believe I am entitled to an opinion c:
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So originally I was just saying it's coming home as a joke, didn't actually think we would. But now I do believe. Next round is very winnable against a aging team who have gone through two extra times, so will be tired.

@Reub09 I think Belgium have a good chance of beating France, but I'd love a France vs England final.
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So originally I was just saying it's coming home as a joke, didn't actually think we would. But now I do believe. Next round is very winnable against a aging team who have gone through two extra times, so will be tired.

@Reub09 I think Belgium have a good chance of beating France, but I'd love a France vs England final.
Same, even though I like Croatia there wouldn’t be the same buzz around the final if they were in it
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Hughesy said:
So originally I was just saying it's coming home as a joke, didn't actually think we would. But now I do believe. Next round is very winnable against a aging team who have gone through two extra times, so will be tired.

@Reub09 I think Belgium have a good chance of beating France, but I'd love a France vs England final.

Yeah same here although in my case I was honest about it I thought the same as Shearer that at best we might sneak into a quarter final and that would be it. I knew we'd get through the group as it looked fairly easy with Belgium being the only hard game I thought come on there's no way we'd be able to take the fight to Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Spain and Argentina they've got to be favourites. Mainly because at least 1 of that group always wins. 


At least not with the squad we've got but with the favourites falling one by one because they've not been really at it it's really opened up and now I think any one of the 4 teams left could  win us included. I can see us overcoming Croatia because as you've said they've had to put  more mileage on the clock to get here than we have and it's likely to wear on them a bit. But Belgium and France are both going to be difficult games I think regardless especially as Belgium have already beaten us once. I know both teams took their foot off the gas a bit for that one but still if they can do it to us once without even trying they can do it again.

I think the fact we're going the distance means we can be proud of our teams efforts either way though because even if we do lose to Croatia we'll still get to play for the bronze and by getting this far we've exceeded our expectations.  I think if you told Gareth after he missed that penalty in Euro 96 that 20 years later he'd be leading England into a World Cup semi final he'd likely laughed and told you to get lost. But I think he and his team he has at his disposal can be very proud of what they have achieved.


I am glad we got Croatia instead of Russia though as I think Russia would have been a really tough game. Especially as given Russia being the hosts we'd not just be playing the 11 on the pitch but the whole country and that does somewhat up the ante in their favour. Thankfully Croatia took care of them so no longer a problem.

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Crazy how this World Cup has gone, never been a better chance to get to a final! It seems as if everyone is getting involved and supporting the team in a way I've not seen before myself. Really hope we can make that final, the Croatia game will be very tight and I can see them dominating the midfield with Brozovic, Rakatic and Modric.

The set pieces have been incredibly well done by Gareth and his staff. Imagine if we hadn't worked so hard on them, we'd probably have struggled quite a bit due to our failure to convert a lot of chances from open play. That's my one concern about the next game and possible final really, the fact that we have barely scored from open play. But in a one off match it only takes 1 clear chance being converted to win so there's always a chance :D

If we can continue to evolve and improve, I'm really looking forward to seeing how we do in Euro 2020 and WC 2022, the team will only be getting better and more experienced from here, for the most part. Need to find a younger version of Henderson though, he has surprisingly been one of our most indispensable players and he's 28, may not be quite as good in 2022. Also when I say about evolving and improving, that goes for Gareth as well, I think he made an error against Colombia by replacing Alli with Dier and sitting back for example, and again against Tunisia by not replacing an injured Alli until too late. But on the whole he's done a brilliant job. Thought for ages we needed an identity and system and finally we have something, and a man who is prepared to do something a bit different to the other recent England managers going with a 3 at the back and ditching the old has been's like Rooney and Hart. Honestly England in tournament football without Rooney is so refreshing... 
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AMS97KRR said:
Crazy how this World Cup has gone, never been a better chance to get to a final! It seems as if everyone is getting involved and supporting the team in a way I've not seen before myself. Really hope we can make that final, the Croatia game will be very tight and I can see them dominating the midfield with Brozovic, Rakatic and Modric.

The set pieces have been incredibly well done by Gareth and his staff. Imagine if we hadn't worked so hard on them, we'd probably have struggled quite a bit due to our failure to convert a lot of chances from open play. That's my one concern about the next game and possible final really, the fact that we have barely scored from open play. But in a one off match it only takes 1 clear chance being converted to win so there's always a chance :D

If we can continue to evolve and improve, I'm really looking forward to seeing how we do in Euro 2020 and WC 2022, the team will only be getting better and more experienced from here, for the most part. Need to find a younger version of Henderson though, he has surprisingly been one of our most indispensable players and he's 28, may not be quite as good in 2022. Also when I say about evolving and improving, that goes for Gareth as well, I think he made an error against Colombia by replacing Alli with Dier and sitting back for example, and again against Tunisia by not replacing an injured Alli until too late. But on the whole he's done a brilliant job. Thought for ages we needed an identity and system and finally we have something, and a man who is prepared to do something a bit different to the other recent England managers going with a 3 at the back and ditching the old has been's like Rooney and Hart. Honestly England in tournament football without Rooney is so refreshing... 
I think we can get past Croatia due to them having to go the long way round so to speak to get to the semi's so I think fatigue could play a part in this game. I'm not saying it's going to be an easy game but without doubt I do think ours is the easiest of the 2 semi's. Belgium v France will be much harder to call and both will be difficult opponents in the final/3rd place match. I think regardless of what happens from here on in though I think we've done ourselves proud in Russia. To reach our first semi final since 1990 is a tremendous achievement so these guys can hold their heads up high regardless of the score.
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Just got my supplies ready, an assortment of craft beers, a large hot dog stuffed crust pizza, some Doritos and dip, I'm so ready!

Edit: Can't even be arsed to put a pizza in the oven tonight, so I've ordered a Dominos for the first time in ages. I set delivery for 6pm even though kick-off isn't until 7, just in case the pizza is late, as I don't want it to come when the football has already started.
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Lukedfrt said:
Gutted.                                        
Yeah just about sum's up how I feel but then to beat Croatia we needed that second goal in that first half while we were in controlling the game. For me I don't think Sterling made enough of his chances he could have easily had a couple of goals in this world cup including last night had he just shot instead of always waiting for back up.  Had he taken at least 1 of those chances last night I think we'd have won. Especially as with a couple of them goalkeeper aside it was pretty much an open goal. We should have probably been playing Rashford aside Kane instead of Sterling because at least he seemed to be willing to take a few chances. Had he been the guy instead of Sterling we might have got those goals.
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Agree completely about taking those first half chances, we were always going to concede, it was just a matter of when and even after we conceded we didn't look the more likely to go on and win. 

I know most people will be saying about how proud they are, (and that's fine because I'm proud of the team as well) but I can't help but feel that might have been the best chance we will get to see a final involving England for a long, long time. If you look back at our previous games in world cups where we have been knocked out it has always been against "big teams", Croatia are a good side but not quite Germany or Argentina. 

Worst part is we were only 23 minutes away from the final, just devastating. That and the first half was really quite good, so it's such a shame how the rest went...
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The one player I'm going to dig out is Kane, he was truly awful all game. Everyone can have a bad game, but what a game to go missing in. He didn't hold the ball up, he didn't move and drag the defence away so people like Sterling could get in. Against Sweden he did all that which helped us score without him getting on the score sheet. Then when he did get the chance he missed an absolute sitter.

We had a kind draw, but then so did Germany when they won. This team can get better, plus our youth teams have won tournaments, so the English game is on the right track. Southgate is the perfect national coach, as he gives players the belief and freedom to play. I just hope we can do it again, as last time we got to the semi finals I was only 1 or 2 years old I think.
I think France would have been too much for us, but it would have been great to get the chance to play them.
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Agree completely about taking those first half chances, we were always going to concede, it was just a matter of when and even after we conceded we didn't look the more likely to go on and win. 

I know most people will be saying about how proud they are, (and that's fine because I'm proud of the team as well) but I can't help but feel that might have been the best chance we will get to see a final involving England for a long, long time. If you look back at our previous games in world cups where we have been knocked out it has always been against "big teams", Croatia are a good side but not quite Germany or Argentina. 

Worst part is we were only 23 minutes away from the final, just devastating. That and the first half was really quite good, so it's such a shame how the rest went...

Yeah we literally had control of the game in that firs half and we gave it to them. They'd have never got us if we'd have gone 2 up. But I do agree on the fact that when the big powerhouses went missing  we didn't take advantage so yeah it's disappointing in that sense as we may not get another opening like that. I think we are on the right track though but we either need to learn to be better at defending and keeping the ball or make more of our chances when we get them because 1-0 up at half time is not enough. Because the days of getting away with a 1-0 like Arsenal used to do are long gone.


Hughesy said:
The one player I'm going to dig out is Kane, he was truly awful all game. Everyone can have a bad game, but what a game to go missing in. He didn't hold the ball up, he didn't move and drag the defence away so people like Sterling could get in. Against Sweden he did all that which helped us score without him getting on the score sheet. Then when he did get the chance he missed an absolute sitter.

We had a kind draw, but then so did Germany when they won. This team can get better, plus our youth teams have won tournaments, so the English game is on the right track. Southgate is the perfect national coach, as he gives players the belief and freedom to play. I just hope we can do it again, as last time we got to the semi finals I was only 1 or 2 years old I think.
I think France would have been too much for us, but it would have been great to get the chance to play them.

In fairness to Kane missing a sitter there were suspicions as to whether he was offside anyway so even if he had put that chance away it may not have counted. But otherwise yeah it wasn't exactly his best game. But as you say everyone can have a bad game. But in the case of Sterling he had been doing that all tournament. Fair enough if you don't think you can score but sometimes if there's no back up and you're near the goal anyway you need to try to take the chance. I 'd have rather have him take the chance and risk the miss or keeper save it than wait for backup as Kane isn't as quick as Sterling so we know the defenders will be breathing down his back and you'll lose the opportunity to try and we did because he spent too much time waiting. It's one of the reasons why he was up front alongside Kane for me because he has that speed. Because when you play with 2 strikers the best way is to have 1 that's fast and one that can carry a presence. Kane is more of a presence striker like Rooney or Shearer used to be to that extent whereas people like Sterling and Rashford fit more the Owen role someone that can out run defenders and stick it in the goal before they have a chance to react and stop them.

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Dude they have VAR now, so if he scored it would have been used and given, as he was on side. He had a very poor match, people thought he was carrying an injury, but wasn't. Don't get me wrong he played a crucial role in getting us to the semi, but I don't know what happened.
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I thought Kane looked tired personally. He seemed to lack energy all match.

The writing was on the wall early in the second half. England were not really under any pressure in the first half but couldn't carry out the main, basic rule of football in the second half. KEEP THE BALL! Too many times they either ran into a Croatian player or passed it straight to them. It was repetitive and obvious what was going to end up happening. 

It was hard to be pissed off at them for losing though. They brought the passion out in the fans and made us believe again. I haven't seen that since Euro 96. 

As for the third place play off, I'd like to see Dele and Sterling drop out for Loftus-Cheek and Rashford. I think the lad is special. He's the only England player who looks fearless to me and not afraid to run at players and take them on. When was the last time we had somebody like that?


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Hughesy said:
Dude they have VAR now, so if he scored it would have been used and given, as he was on side. He had a very poor match, people thought he was carrying an injury, but wasn't. Don't get me wrong he played a crucial role in getting us to the semi, but I don't know what happened.

It would have been used yes but not necessarily given. As he looked offside to me and the commentary team thought so as well if I recall. Also yeah he did do well throughout the tournament as our captain and I'm glad he plays for my club because he is a good player in general. But yeah it was just an off day when we could least afford it from him.


EUfkdup said:
I thought Kane looked tired personally. He seemed to lack energy all match.

The writing was on the wall early in the second half. England were not really under any pressure in the first half but couldn't carry out the main, basic rule of football in the second half. KEEP THE BALL! Too many times they either ran into a Croatian player or passed it straight to them. It was repetitive and obvious what was going to end up happening. 

It was hard to be **** off at them for losing though. They brought the passion out in the fans and made us believe again. I haven't seen that since Euro 96. 

As for the third place play off, I'd like to see Dele and Sterling drop out for Loftus-Cheek and Rashford. I think the lad is special. He's the only England player who looks fearless to me and not afraid to run at players and take them on. When was the last time we had somebody like that?



TBH I don' tcaer much for the 3rd place playoff really it's just a waste of time. Not sure I'll even bother watching it tbh right now.

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No the showed a replay of it, the reason the commentators thought it was was because the flag went up, but that was because the ball went out of play after his shot. He was behind the defensive line before his run.
Well he looked offside to me so not sure either way glad I chose not to bother with the 3rd place game given we're losing again.
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Well, for the first time in ages, I actually went to the match with excitement and expectations of a win. For once, I was not disappointed!

I thought the first half was dire, but we grew in confidence as the game went on and a last minute winner is the perfect way to start off a new era. The atmosphere was immense today as well, best we've had probably since we beat Everton under Allardyce. The noise was deafening when Gooch scored.

Roll on Luton!

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@Lukedfrt Yeovil scored a legit goal against Villa last night player goes right in front of the Villa fans and did the loser dance from Fortnite. Then the goal was disallowed for a foul, but replays show it was the Villa player committing the foul which is infuriating, no idea what the ref was thinking.
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Our attendance today is going to be over 45k, with some rumours going that we've already sold 47 000 tickets! That's our highest attendance in 2 years, smashes the league record, is higher than any championship match this season and also will give us the 4th highest attendance in the country for today - behind just Spurs, Man United and Liverpool.
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Yeah well our manager said he's was a legend and could walk into any football league club, Google Yeovils league position. He also said our fans know nothing about football. We get knocked out of the FA Cup to a non league club, next day the manager gets a new 2 year contract. So fun being a Yeovil supporter...

It's all here towards the bottom of the page.
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