Dirt Rally "Online"

[DarkRedslayer 43]

CAMELCARP said:

You say Dirt Rally is bringing in a lot of crowd........sadly that crowd will dwindle pretty fast. I'll still get my rally fix in as I can but without the competition being around I'll have to go somewhere else to find it.

I suspect this will be one of the most heavily traded in titles in Dirt history. Hopefully Dirt Rally 2 will maintain what Dirt rally 1 has, but manages to be a little more casual friendly in some way and has more multiplayer aspect. I love the route DR is taking, but I unfortunately know that I'm one of 2 people I know that actually likes the game lol. One actually traded it in already, in his exact words "The lack of rewinds really kills the game for me" Because he doesn't have enough time to sit there and practice because he works odd hours and has a kid.

[versedi 39]

DarkRedslayer said:

CAMELCARP said:

You say Dirt Rally is bringing in a lot of crowd........sadly that crowd will dwindle pretty fast. I'll still get my rally fix in as I can but without the competition being around I'll have to go somewhere else to find it.

I suspect this will be one of the most heavily traded in titles in Dirt history. Hopefully Dirt Rally 2 will maintain what Dirt rally 1 has, but manages to be a little more casual friendly in some way and has more multiplayer aspect. I love the route DR is taking, but I unfortunately know that I'm one of 2 people I know that actually likes the game lol. One actually traded it in already, in his exact words "The lack of rewinds really kills the game for me" Because he doesn't have enough time to sit there and practice because he works odd hours and has a kid.

That's not an excuse. Most of players have real life things to take care about.

This game is not about winning. You are supposed to crash and still get to the finish. *

Understand this finally, for God sake!

* Probably you will even be in first 4 which renders you not going down in leaderboard class between seasons. But nope, nowadays everyone needs to be 1st, eh...

[MLT24 0]

You guys who keep defending why we don't have Rally Multiplayer Online mode just kill me. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Reasons like "its not real rally racing." Yeah the last pro rally race I watched on tv had a little more than one other racer out there lol.

Or its for a "more targeted audience."  What? For those who don't want to race against friends? Did CM target lonely people who have no friends? I don't think so. 

And here is my favorite.  "The game does not have online multiplayer because of engine limitations."
Uh Dirt Rally already does all we need for multiplayer rally mode.
Recipe: RallyX Lobby system, add Rally stages instead of rallyx tracks,  and then just keep up with times. Show leaderboard at end. No ghost, no staggered, just add real time leaderboard on screen so we can enjoy some friendly Rally head to head racing.

Its all there in game already.  How in the world did this game go a whole year on PC without adding such a OBVIUOS mode?

Game as is. 7/10. Incomplete game. Should have cost $40 not $60.

Game with simple online multiplayer. 9.5/10
Needs more tracks. In short time I'm already tired of racing same stages over and over.
 
Now to you guys who agree with me, keep hoping they add this mode to game. To the haters, keep hating, its what you do best afterall. You gotta stay good at something in this crazy world.

[Kakkela 3]

MLT24 said:

You guys who keep defending why we don't have Rally Multiplayer Online mode just kill me. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Reasons like "its not real rally racing." Yeah the last pro rally race I watched on tv had a little more than one other racer out there lol.

Or its for a "more targeted audience."  What? For those who don't want to race against friends? Did CM target lonely people who have no friends? I don't think so. 

And here is my favorite.  "The game does not have online multiplayer because of engine limitations."
Uh Dirt Rally already does all we need for multiplayer rally mode.
Recipe: RallyX Lobby system, add Rally stages instead of rallyx tracks,  and then just keep up with times. Show leaderboard at end. No ghost, no staggered, just add real time leaderboard on screen so we can enjoy some friendly Rally head to head racing.

Its all there in game already.  How in the world did this game go a whole year on PC without adding such a OBVIUOS mode?

Game as is. 7/10. Incomplete game. Should have cost $40 not $60.

Game with simple online multiplayer. 9.5/10
Needs more tracks. In short time I'm already tired of racing same stages over and over.
 
Now to you guys who agree with me, keep hoping they add this mode to game. To the haters, keep hating, its what you do best afterall. You gotta stay good at something in this crazy world.

Some of the reasoning people have are pretty lame I admit, but leagues and Dailies are what keeps this alive for most people. I would happily pay 60$, so you can't really say it's incomplete.

It's easier to setup league for one night and then do few hours of rallying then go do something else. Your friends do their rally when it suits them and afterwards (maybe even next day) you get together in chat/voip and talk about your rally. 
It's more flexible system because sometimes it's just hard to get all your friends there at the same time. 
I have one league solely for this purpose, setup takes less than 5 minutes and then people can do it at the same time or not.

[smcinnes 0]

I think the rally multiplayer thing could be solved if setting up leagues wasn't so damn clunky, and if you could do it from the game itself then even better. It took me and my friends hours to figure the leagues thing out, and I'm still not convinced we really know what we're doing. So I think if that was easier to use then there wouldn't be such a big problem.

[XoxFlukeXox 38]

I was thinking of getting this game but if theres no rally online its pointless as I have no interest in single player. If its down to "engine limitations" then they need a new one.... fast.

Poor show if you ask me.

[Draconian666 0]

MLT24 said:

.  How in the world did this game go a whole year on PC without adding such a OBVIUOS mode?

Game as is. 7/10. Incomplete game. Should have cost $40 not $60.
 

i got the game for $40 on amazon prime for ps4

[shadow118 18]

Draconian666 said:

MLT24 said:

.  How in the world did this game go a whole year on PC without adding such a OBVIUOS mode?

Game as is. 7/10. Incomplete game. Should have cost $40 not $60.
 

i got the game for $40 on amazon prime for ps4

I got the game for €22.50 on Steam (that was almost a year ago though) :)

[Subiesauce 0]

And here is my favorite.  "The game does not have online multiplayer because of engine limitations."

Uh Dirt Rally already does all we need for multiplayer rally mode.
Recipe: RallyX Lobby system, add Rally stages instead of rallyx tracks,  and then just keep up with times. Show leaderboard at end. No ghost, no staggered, just add real time leaderboard on screen so we can enjoy some friendly Rally head to head racing.

Its all there in game already.  How in the world did this game go a whole year on PC without adding such a OBVIUOS mode?

You don't seem to get this. what most people ask for is staggered starts. I have not said anything about setting up a lobby like the online rallycross, i have said that dirt rally with these tracks can't do staggered starts. And also, 

Recipe: RallyX Lobby system, add Rally stages instead of rallyx tracks,  and then just keep up with times. Show leaderboard at end. No ghost, no staggered, just add real time leaderboard on screen so we can enjoy some friendly Rally head to head racing.

Its all there in game already. 

Focus on that last part

Its all there in game already.  

Yes, you're right it is. It's in the main menu and it's called "Leagues".

[DarkRedslayer 43]

versedi said:

DarkRedslayer said:

CAMELCARP said:

You say Dirt Rally is bringing in a lot of crowd........sadly that crowd will dwindle pretty fast. I'll still get my rally fix in as I can but without the competition being around I'll have to go somewhere else to find it.

I suspect this will be one of the most heavily traded in titles in Dirt history. Hopefully Dirt Rally 2 will maintain what Dirt rally 1 has, but manages to be a little more casual friendly in some way and has more multiplayer aspect. I love the route DR is taking, but I unfortunately know that I'm one of 2 people I know that actually likes the game lol. One actually traded it in already, in his exact words "The lack of rewinds really kills the game for me" Because he doesn't have enough time to sit there and practice because he works odd hours and has a kid.

That's not an excuse. Most of players have real life things to take care about.

This game is not about winning. You are supposed to crash and still get to the finish. *

Understand this finally, for God sake!

* Probably you will even be in first 4 which renders you not going down in leaderboard class between seasons. But nope, nowadays everyone needs to be 1st, eh...

Not too many people buy a game with the intention of never winning. Just because you're a masochist, doesn't mean everyone else will be too.

And whether it's "an excuse" in your opinion or not, is 100% irrelevant, because that's exactly why he traded the game already. Unfortunately for you, the rest of the world doesn't revolve around you or your desires. And unless they planned this game with a very small budget, low sales/high trade ins = bad for all of us.

I honestly don't get the whole "I don't want to win, so no one else should be able to either" if someone wants to buy the game, to get some realistic racing and still be able to win, that is their choice. And just because they aren't as good at the game as you or I, doesn't mean they should never be able to win against the AI. There is literally no reason whatsoever that rewinds can't exist for those who aren't as good to be able to enjoy the game better. If you're to weak minded to not use them because they are there, that's your own problem.

Me, I'd rather see the game do well. I don't want them to go back to Dirt 3 style arcade crap. I want the game to succeed with a rally focus, so it keeps a rally focus. And perhaps my worries are misplaced, and they really did use a small budget to make the game. If so, awesome. But if the game is going to be bigger than 6 courses next time around, its going to need more dev time. More dev time = higher cost. And the best way to cover higher costs? Higher sales. And for higher sales, you have to also do a little catering to those who don't want to sit around losing the entire time they own the game.

For the record, I play the game with no assist using an H-pattern and I love it. But just like you, the world doesn't revolve around me. Difference is I know that, and I know a game can co-exist with both hardcore elements and elements to help people who aren't so good, enjoy the game. Adding rewinds for those people, would not effect me in the slightest.

[SkiddyMcCrash 311]

DarkRedslayer said:

perhaps my worries are misplaced, and they really did use a small budget to make the game. If so, awesome.

Then it's awesome ;)                                                        

[PJTierney 4,910]

I have to say, CREST is a wonderful feature that I would love to see become a standard in racing games. I like being able to see exactly where I'm losing time to the top drivers and it's improved my pace as a result.

On a related note, do we know if there are any plans to have leaderboards for every Class/Stage combination? Forza Motorsport used to publish such information on their website which then got integrated into ForzaStats, a leaderboard comparison website. Given the nature of DiRT Rally as an "against the clock" game having easily accessible leaderboards could stretch the longevity of the game for years. You'd still get a connected experience, even if you're not racing side-by-side with somebody.

[benttoe 3]

KingOfCoins said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ZLkK4WHFU

To everyone who wants PvP Rally, Go to 48:30 for an answer from the Codemasters themselves

But he was answering "multiple cars on track"...i was more leaning towards lobby, spectate, start after eachother kind of thing.
Lets say 6 players enter a lobby, pick their car, then start after eachother (like real rally) so the ones not yet started can spectate until they start. The ones finished/crashed can spectate the ones still rallying.

I don't think i want it like in SBLR where you have big orange/red/green transparent cars obstructing my view 

[BrySkye 14]

DarkRedslayer said:

And unless they planned this game with a very small budget, low sales/high trade ins = bad for all of us.

I honestly don't get the whole "I don't want to win, so no one else should be able to either" if someone wants to buy the game, to get some realistic racing and still be able to win, that is their choice. And just because they aren't as good at the game as you or I, doesn't mean they should never be able to win against the AI. There is literally no reason whatsoever that rewinds can't exist for those who aren't as good to be able to enjoy the game better. If you're to weak minded to not use them because they are there, that's your own problem.

Well, they did have a very small budget and did plan for low sales.
The game exceeded it's life-time sales target during Early Access, which tells you it's sales target on PC was no more than 200,000.

Nevermind the rewind.
Whilst I don't believe there is any really  good reason for it yo not exist in the game, it's not a fundamental requirement either.
After all, we DID manage in games prior to it's introduction in GRID.
That's actually a bigger problem with the AI and one I pointed out right at the very beginning - That there is a distinct lack of a proper curve in how the AI improves.

There just isn't a whole lot of difference between what the Open AI does compared to the Master AI.
If you're going to have 5 levels of AI, there should be a notable difference between each level, and that was never really the case. It was always very marginal. The curve was just very very gentle. 

Though the difference has apparently been increased with the console release/1.1 update.
It was not uncommon for the easiest AI to be setting times well within the top 100 on the leaderboards, even the top 20, after the game had been out for over six months, which was pretty absurd.
The Master AI could have stayed where it was, but everything else would have benefited from being bumped down quite a bit more. 

benttoe said:

KingOfCoins said:

To everyone who wants PvP Rally, Go to 48:30 for an answer from the Codemasters themselves

But he was answering "multiple cars on track"...i was more leaning towards lobby, spectate, start after eachother kind of thing.
Lets say 6 players enter a lobby, pick their car, then start after eachother (like real rally) so the ones not yet started can spectate until they start. The ones finished/crashed can spectate the ones still rallying.

I don't think i want it like in SBLR where you have big orange/red/green transparent cars obstructing my view 

I know, and I know you're asking for something different, but what he said is that most people do want multiple cars on track.
Throughout Early Access, that was very much the case when the topic came up. 
People wanted the staggered starts.
Anything less than that would fall into the "Not doing it properly." category.

The situation we have is that what you are requesting, with the lobby and times, still wouldn't satisfy the people that wanted multiple cars on track, just as the current delta times/leaderboards/leagues system doesn't satisfy you.
It's a system that might appease a tiny amount of additional players whilst doing nothing to alleviate the frustrations of the others.

The difference is fairly minimal. After all, it's possibly to organise a league amongst friends racing at the same time and using private chat, which would pretty much create the experience you're after.
Though I do have the rather biased mindset of "Why the hell would you want to be in a lobby 'chatting' with randoms?"

[dirt3joe 0]

BrySkye said:

DarkRedslayer said:

And unless they planned this game with a very small budget, low sales/high trade ins = bad for all of us.

I honestly don't get the whole "I don't want to win, so no one else should be able to either" if someone wants to buy the game, to get some realistic racing and still be able to win, that is their choice. And just because they aren't as good at the game as you or I, doesn't mean they should never be able to win against the AI. There is literally no reason whatsoever that rewinds can't exist for those who aren't as good to be able to enjoy the game better. If you're to weak minded to not use them because they are there, that's your own problem.

Well, they did have a very small budget and did plan for low sales.
The game exceeded it's life-time sales target during Early Access, which tells you it's sales target on PC was no more than 200,000.

Nevermind the rewind.
Whilst I don't believe there is any really  good reason for it yo not exist in the game, it's not a fundamental requirement either.
After all, we DID manage in games prior to it's introduction in GRID.
That's actually a bigger problem with the AI and one I pointed out right at the very beginning - That there is a distinct lack of a proper curve in how the AI improves.

There just isn't a whole lot of difference between what the Open AI does compared to the Master AI.
If you're going to have 5 levels of AI, there should be a notable difference between each level, and that was never really the case. It was always very marginal. The curve was just very very gentle. 

Though the difference has apparently been increased with the console release/1.1 update.
It was not uncommon for the easiest AI to be setting times well within the top 100 on the leaderboards, even the top 20, after the game had been out for over six months, which was pretty absurd.
The Master AI could have stayed where it was, but everything else would have benefited from being bumped down quite a bit more. 

benttoe said:

KingOfCoins said:

To everyone who wants PvP Rally, Go to 48:30 for an answer from the Codemasters themselves

But he was answering "multiple cars on track"...i was more leaning towards lobby, spectate, start after eachother kind of thing.
Lets say 6 players enter a lobby, pick their car, then start after eachother (like real rally) so the ones not yet started can spectate until they start. The ones finished/crashed can spectate the ones still rallying.

I don't think i want it like in SBLR where you have big orange/red/green transparent cars obstructing my view 

I know, and I know you're asking for something different, but what he said is that most people do want multiple cars on track.
Throughout Early Access, that was very much the case when the topic came up. 
People wanted the staggered starts.
Anything less than that would fall into the "Not doing it properly." category.

The situation we have is that what you are requesting, with the lobby and times, still wouldn't satisfy the people that wanted multiple cars on track, just as the current delta times/leaderboards/leagues system doesn't satisfy you.
It's a system that might appease a tiny amount of additional players whilst doing nothing to alleviate the frustrations of the others.

The difference is fairly minimal. After all, it's possibly to organise a league amongst friends racing at the same time and using private chat, which would pretty much create the experience you're after.
Though I do have the rather biased mindset of "Why the hell would you want to be in a lobby 'chatting' with randoms?"

They're not randoms though - they're your mates.

I think the idea is a good one. People like to chat in lobbies and Dirt rally is a pretty intense game. the time spent chatting you could recover your energy for the next stage, and of course you would need to do figure out car repairs as well.

It would be good to watch each person from the lobby - and I'd hope that it wouldn't be too hard to do.

[Lagoa86 0]

CAMELCARP said:

Am I the only one who is totally and completely disappointed with Dirt Rally Online. Dirt 2 and Dirt 3 are hands down the most fun online racers to have ever been made. We had online rally, rallycross, stadium trucks, can't remember what it is called but the head to heads to where half the people were on one side of the track and the other half was on the other side ( the one where in the snow had that big hill to go up or down), we had team racing.  I'm a believer in of its not broke don't fix it. I love the Dirt Series but I feel like I have wasted $60. Don't get me wrong...the rally cars and racing on the offline is great. Great feel and great tracks.  The rallycross cars are a little bit of a joke handling wise, but I can deal with that. I guarantee Codemasters sales on this game won't touch Dirt 2 or Dirt 3 sales. Idk....I'm just really really let down. This past Monday night I couldn't sleep because all I thought about was going to get the new dirt the next day. I'm really hoping they can somehow and do somehow make the online like what we used to have. I'm almost depressed because those days aren't around anymore. I raced Dirt 3 until I was the last one online and them went to Grid 2 .  Anyways....am I the only one who misses Dirt 2 and Dirt 3 online?     Should they release a Dirt 3 for PS4 and XBOX1?

Didn't read all posts. But you say online anyone can make a mistake and I don't want to be racing for a leaderboard. Well the 'online events' are exactly the same as if you would play a live rally againts other players (ghosts). Because you cannot restart, so it's basically the same... You get just that one run.

Seriously, people need to stop whining. Who on earth wants a Dirt 4. We finally get A REALLY GOOD GAME and people still nag. Go play Forza.. Stop ruining it for the rest.

[CAMELCARP 0]

Well I guess you should have read all posts.  Your statement has nothing to do with mine.  I never mentioned a restart.   Maybe you quoted the wrong person..........and looking the majority of replies it looks like most would like to have a Dirt 4 type online.  So funny you reply without reading

[CAMELCARP 0]

Actually I don't think I said one thing you said in your reply

[Kakkela 3]

CAMELCARP said:

Well I guess you should have read all posts.  Your statement has nothing to do with mine.  I never mentioned a restart.   Maybe you quoted the wrong person..........and looking the majority of replies it looks like most would like to have a Dirt 4 type online.  So funny you reply without reading

Most people voicing their opinion here probably isn't majority of DiRT owners. CM did their research before hand and they targeted more simulation oriented people that basically told them to get rid of everything that is in DiRT3

[BrySkye 14]

dirt3joe said:

They're not randoms though - they're your mates.

I think the idea is a good one. People like to chat in lobbies and Dirt rally is a pretty intense game. the time spent chatting you could recover your energy for the next stage, and of course you would need to do figure out car repairs as well.

It would be good to watch each person from the lobby - and I'd hope that it wouldn't be too hard to do.

Erm, I said that it IS possible to do right now with your mates, via leagues and a private chat function.
A bit inconvenient, but quite possible.

So the requested system of a lobby and matchmaking system etc would mainly be there to allow you to easily play against randoms

[Lagoa86 0]

CAMELCARP said:

Actually I don't think I said one thing you said in your reply

I read your entire first post. And the things you ask for are irrelevant into making this a good game. You just bought the wrong game. Thinking it would be like Dirt 3. Maybe they should've named it different. So people like you wouldn't be confused. This for me is hands down the best racing game ever. I can play it all day any day in singleplayer. Because it feels that authentic and real. What I WANT in driving games. You want other things.. Lobbies etc. So as I mentioned before go play Forza or things alike. This is not the game for you. And 1 minute research before buying this game would have told you that... I never bought Dirt games because of the arcadey feel and the fact it had too much show and sh*t to it, and not much actual rallying. The fact you need engineers and try not to ruin your entire car across all stages and actually make it to the end of an event with a decent time is awesome, LOVE IT.

[Lagoa86 0]

And be rest assured that 85% of the people who bought this game are just playing it and enjoying themselves, and not whining on forums because it doesn't feel like DiRT3.

[CAMELCARP 0]

Not whining. Voicing an opinion. It is a great game. Never said it wasn't. I can have fun with it as well. Don't want it to feel like dirt 3. I want competition and a challenge. Reread my first post again.

[paulw123 0]

I love Rally cross equally as much as rally stages, had all previous DiRT (except that stock car smash up rubbish), hated gymkhana. So there is still hope I could love this game, but it needs more on-line content. Staggered starts would be a start and more rally cross tracks.

[MLT24 0]

Subiesauce said:

And here is my favorite.  "The game does not have online multiplayer because of engine limitations."

Uh Dirt Rally already does all we need for multiplayer rally mode.
Recipe: RallyX Lobby system, add Rally stages instead of rallyx tracks,  and then just keep up with times. Show leaderboard at end. No ghost, no staggered, just add real time leaderboard on screen so we can enjoy some friendly Rally head to head racing.

Its all there in game already.  How in the world did this game go a whole year on PC without adding such a OBVIUOS mode?

You don't seem to get this. what most people ask for is staggered starts. I have not said anything about setting up a lobby like the online rallycross, i have said that dirt rally with these tracks can't do staggered starts. And also, 

Recipe: RallyX Lobby system, add Rally stages instead of rallyx tracks,  and then just keep up with times. Show leaderboard at end. No ghost, no staggered, just add real time leaderboard on screen so we can enjoy some friendly Rally head to head racing.

Its all there in game already. 

Focus on that last part

Its all there in game already.  

Yes, you're right it is. It's in the main menu and it's called "Leagues".

No its not called Leagues. Its too limited for an Online Multiplayer.  It is an addition to a racing game, one sorely needed for a long time. GT6 advertised but never implemented it.
I love the League feature, but its more for those us to compete against others at our own pace and it has leaderboards and payouts,  awesome. 
But when me and my buds want to go head to head at night, have some beers, talk some chit, the only way to do that is RallyX. And its fun but we need to be able to run all modes and tracks head to head. Lobby up, pick some stages, game keeps up with the rest. On screen it shows who is where on track with leaderboard and colored flags on progress bar. Man that's exciting!
Heck even the leagues don't show me anything compared to leader or my friends while I'm driving. It is Farrrr from a proper multiplayer.