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Hello,
first of all, I would like to thank Codemasters and the whole F1 community here for having such a great forum!
Straight to the point now.
The 2 options are T150 and T300RS (what a surprise...). I can't really decide whether the extra money are justified for the T300RS, could you guys help me out ? Most of all, I would like to know whether I will have any disadvantage with the T150 wheel when playing against people with better wheels like the T300 (getting all skill aside tho). How does the T150 perform in terms of car control and how precise is it ? Would I be able to give competitive lap times with it compared to people using the T300 ? As far as I know, the T1500 lacks in resolution (i read somewhere it was about 16k bits while the T300 has somewhere about 65k which is a huge difference). 

In short, all I care are lap times and the amount of control I have over the car. Can you say that I won't have any problems of that sort with the T150 or I will have disadvantage with it and will feel disappointed after few weeks of playing with it ? 
Sorry for the broken English as it is not my native language. Anyhow, thanks to all who got the time to read my post and will appreciate any help!

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I assume you mean the ones made by Thrustmaster and for the PlayStation, right? I don't have any experience with racing wheels, but I do know a fair amount about them.

Looking the information from the Thrustmaster, I would say the T300rs. You do pay more for it but you get a better experience (like most other racing wheels). If you have the cash to spare, go for it, but I think there is only a small step up from the T150.

I read a review on the Internet (reliable source by the way) about racing wheels, and the T300rs placed 3rd behind the Logitech G27 and Fanatec Porsche 911 GT2. The only downfall was the flimsy pedals, but they pretty much serve their purpose.

In my opinion I would have gone for a wheel with very good value for money, like the Thrustmaster TX Ferrari 458 Italia, but it only works with Xbox one and PC, not PlayStation.

As I said, I don't have any racing experience, it just comes down to personal preference and the amount of money you had. I would personally buy seeing as it has Force Feedback, except I don't have the funds for it.

Here is the review:
http://gaming-steering-wheel-review.toptenreviews.com/

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Watch this video, it helped me decide what to buy for my PS4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0wouW_XxPI

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I would go for the T80 cause I hate FFB. And I often play at night so I dont want the freaking noise FFB produces. 

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i am realy curious about the pros & cons from force feedback (except for the noise ofcourse)
Can someone tell me?

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I have the t150 myself and i am very pleased with it. There is like a 100 pound difference and i dont thing the t300 has a big advantage. The T150 for me is ideal as it has a decent ffb and the gear puddles are just how i like them. I dont think that if someone has a t300 can be faster as its all about skill for me. So the t150 for me is great for its price as it is quite cheap and can do its job and make you satisfied. 

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I've had a Fanatec CSR wheel and a Logitech G25 and I liked the G25 a lot better, even though it was less premium. I'm considering to buy a G29 right now. 

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larryl said:
i am realy curious about the pros & cons from force feedback (except for the noise ofcourse)
Can someone tell me?
Force feedback (FFB) is the same as the vibration mechanism in a game controller. It lets you know when the car goes off track, onto the rumble strips and when you pick up debris. It also feels similar to the wheel in a normal car as it feels heavier compared to those with out FFB. Having a wheel with FFB gives a better understanding of how the car is driving and behaving, and so is useful if you want to get the most out of your gaming experience.

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I've had a Fanatec CSR wheel and a Logitech G25 and I liked the G25 a lot better, even though it was less premium. I'm considering to buy a G29 right now. 
How much did the CSR and G25's cost you?

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larryl said:
i am realy curious about the pros & cons from force feedback (except for the noise ofcourse)
Can someone tell me?
In very short, it gives you "feedback" :) from how the car react to the track, other cars contact, curbs, gravel, grass etc.
The most important thing (IMO) is the force you feel when your car is in a turn or when you do rapid movements - 
imagine a wheel without FFB as a "reversed reality machine" where you got endless servo aid.
FFB "brings back" a more realistic feeling of driving a real car with "normal" servo.
(EDIT) It also gives you information of bumps and other "contact-to-a-surface" experiences.
It only works sideways though, you don't find any wheels yet with any kind of "up-down" info, as in eg. accelerating/braking.

You can adjust the amount of that "servo" (feedback) in a few but important ways in setups, often in software applied to the wheel as well.
For instance I use a rather subtle FFB as my hands and arms are in pain from time to time (kinda rheumatism-ish), but I would NEVER buy a wheel without FFB.
Once you've tried it it feels like lack of information without... :)

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I have a T300RS and it works perfectly with F1 2015. I have never tried the T150 but, by some videos, I think it's a bit louder and has a less strong FFB because of the mixed gear-belt construction. Also, it has better materials and the rim can be changed (for example, you can buy the Ferrari F1 rim). I don't think there is an advantage in using the t300 over the t150.

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ChokDK said:
larryl said:
i am realy curious about the pros & cons from force feedback (except for the noise ofcourse)
Can someone tell me?
In very short, it gives you "feedback" :) from how the car react to the track, other cars contact, curbs, gravel, grass etc.
The most important thing (IMO) is the force you feel when your car is in a turn or when you do rapid movements - 
imagine a wheel without FFB as a "reversed reality machine" where you got endless servo aid.
FFB "brings back" a more realistic feeling of driving a real car with "normal" servo.
(EDIT) It also gives you information of bumps and other "contact-to-a-surface" experiences.
It only works sideways though, you don't find any wheels yet with any kind of "up-down" info, as in eg. accelerating/braking.

You can adjust the amount of that "servo" (feedback) in a few but important ways in setups, often in software applied to the wheel as well.
For instance I use a rather subtle FFB as my hands and arms are in pain from time to time (kinda rheumatism-ish), but I would NEVER buy a wheel without FFB.
Once you've tried it it feels like lack of information without... :)


wow, thanks man for your comprehensive explenation!

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I can't understand that someone suggests wheels without FFB. It's simply a waste of money to buy a wheel without FFB in my opinion. You could simply use a pad for that matter.

I have a T300RS and I'm quite happy with it even it breaking down just before a beta test (still mad about it :angry:). I think T150 is a very decent wheel so it all depends how much money you are willing to use. If you have enough, buy T300RS. If not, settle for a T150. 

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@larryl ..  maybe instead of "servo" I rather should say "resistance" to the wheel (might make more sense if you don't have a car yet lol) and a wheel without FFB got no resistance at all.
As "no resistance at all" sounds like a great thing, it isn't, because you don't receive any info from your car or track that way.
Maybe this adds to understand it as well.

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When i bought my first wheel : thrustmaster italia, about 100 euros, no ffb
In the beginning its okay, but if your already a bit more than a casual racer i would higly reccomend a ffb wheel
Iam happy with my tx wheel with f1 rim:smiley:
It gives you much more feeling with the car than just a wheel you twist without ffb.

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T150 all the way IMO. It has mid range price but it handles superbly. You don't even need to change anything in the advanced wheel setting (ala T100) 

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ChokDK said:
@larryl ..  maybe instead of "servo" I rather should say "resistance" to the wheel (might make more sense if you don't have a car yet lol) and a wheel without FFB got no resistance at all.
As "no resistance at all" sounds like a great thing, it isn't, because you don't receive any info from your car or track that way.
Maybe this adds to understand it as well.

yeah, i get it. Driving a car for more then 10 years so i see your point. I'm going to buy a playseat wit a steeringwheel, i was thinking of the T150 but wasnt sure if i was making the right choise. Now im sure about it :)

Thanks again mate!

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T3OO mate hands down the T150 is a entry level wheel if your just starting out in sim racing I would recommend getting but with the T300 it has great FFB meaning ( force feedback) but if you do end up buying the T300 I would suggest upgrading the pedals from the stock type to the T3PA or T3PA PRO pedals the stock pedals you don't get the feel of a real brake pedal as with the higher end pedal sets thay feel so much better

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I've been using a Logitech G25 for years on both PC and PS4 and I recently replaced it with a G29 to work with my PS4.
Very pleased with it, works well with F1 2015 without having to mess with the wheel settings.
So my advice would be get a G29!

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Ive got a t150, it works fine but its got gears/teeth combined with a belt and its NOT a smooth wheel, you can feel the teeth hitting each other like little notches even if you turn the wheel an inch, i wish i knew before i got, get the t300, it feels a LOT better, you will thank me later.

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I have a G27 and a T300RS due to the PS4 not supporting the G27. I absolutely love the T300RS with no complaints. The biggest reason I went with a T300RS is to replace my G27 for not only PS4 game play, but PC as well. I use the Ferrari F1 wheel rim and it's amazing.

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larryl said:
i am realy curious about the pros & cons from force feedback (except for the noise ofcourse)
Can someone tell me?
A Force Feedback wheel reacts to what the car is doing on track, a non ffb wheel simply has a "return to center" mechanism, any corrections and adjustments will have to come from your eyes rather than feeling it.

To ilustrate:
You get wheelspin at the rear, the wheel pushes slightly in the opposite direction helping you correct it.
More or less the same logic for a bunch of other stuff... like lock ups, understeer...
Not all of them are nicely conveyed in F1 2015 mind you(hence a big number of guys saying it needs better FFB), but you will get the full benefit in other titles (hopefully including F1 2016).

To sum up go with FFB, even in F1 2015 where it isn't fantastic i wouldn't consider playing it in any other way.

Which one to pick?
If money is no problem go for the T300 with 3 pedals and your steering of choice.


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I would suggest the thrustmaster servo base, with the f1 rim addon. (I have the TX with standard wheel + the f1 rim,  but TX only works on Xbox and pc) I can't tell you enough how much Iike the f1 rim, it adds another dimension when your driving a virtual  f1 car. 

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