Rallylegends mod for Assetto Corsa

[bogani 756]

Mod can move the thread if needed.

I'm just curious of what you guys think of the Rallylegends mod for AC? 

http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rallylegends-mod-ford-fiesta-rs-wrc-tarmac-gravel-spec-v-2-0.9852/

+ The 3D models are extremely well made.
+ The FFB is far superior to DR on tarmac.

- Sounds are just about OK. They are good for being AC, but that really doesn't say much.
- Gravel stages in a game that does not support loose surface physics/tires is a BAD idea.
- I still get the feel I'm driving a racing car disguised as a rally car. The cars lacks the nimbleness you'd ecpect from a WRC car and understeers too much on turn-in.
- Mod stages are cool and all, but they still look and feel like mods. 

[dgeesi0 305]

just something about assetto that isnt fun to play.

as to the tarmac being better anything is better than DR tarmac :D( except PCars ! ) :D

if you look at the video of this though you will see what is lacking in dirt rally especially on corners for eg.

[OzoreXS 0]

dgeesi0 said:

just something about assetto that isnt fun to play.

as to the tarmac being better anything is better than DR tarmac :D( except PCars ! ) :D

if you look at the video of this though you will see what is lacking in dirt rally especially on corners for eg.

Porkject CARS have a much more than an acceptable FFB if you dedicate time and efforts enough.

My personal config:
- Jack Spade FFB files (classic ones; I dont want to setup each and every cars FFB on garage...)
- FCM values (kind of "wheelcheck" that reveals some essential values for FFB options)

Results are surprisingly good.

Stock FFB+params are such bad that many people ask for refunds.

[dgeesi0 305]

if you dedicate time and effort i was part of the very first players to play brokencars :D. if you think that has good physics and handling i will just leave it there. :plets not debate about that game it will just turn into a mess.

i do agree though a better tarmac working is needed for dirt rally. the grip needs to be less and not so twitchy.

[bogani 756]

dgeesi0 said:

if you dedicate time and effort i was part of the very first players to play brokencars :D. if you think that has good physics and handling i will just leave it there. :plets not debate about that game it will just turn into a mess.

i do agree though a better tarmac working is needed for dirt rally. the grip needs to be less and not so twitchy.

Can't say I agree that the tarmac in DR feels twitchy. What I really want is more feel through the FFB. It's very numb on tarmac.

[Dytut 89]

This is so weird. I bought AC a few weeks ago but haven't played it more than a few hours. One thing I noticed was that I felt the FFB for my T300 to be OK, but noticable worse than DR. Felt like I got very little communication about weight transferance and really hard to judge grip levels.

[JZStudios 631]

I concur. The rallylegends mod isn't that great, but the AC guys go nuts over it. I don't know if it's been updated, but when I first got the VW Polo it had ridiculous FFB strength and when dialed back just wasn't that super. The off road mod levels are frankly horrible. They're jagged from a lower poly count, and have to many sudden dips and drops that make the car just freak out when you drive. According to one reviewer though, it's way better than DR, which is actually designed for dirt.
   "Keep going like this and we won't need games like Dirt Rally anymore!
     Actually, thanks to such mods, I don't even play Dirt Rally anymore... lol
     (and bye bye to Richard Burns Rally too, I think... lol)
     I prefer much more to start one of the countless hillclimbs made for AC and choose one of Rally Legends cars! :)
     The only thing Dirt Rally has over AC is rain and night!
     Once we get this, AC will be the ultimate all-around driving simulation! lol"
That's an eager beaver. Anyways, on tarmac it's okay, but I'd rather actually just drive the Caterham mod or the X-bow. I will also say that I've bought AC twice based on people convincing me it's the hypest, most realestest, bestest, elitist, simmiest, superiority, prettiest, with black magic voodoo physics and FFB, and it's not really any of those. Honestly @dgeesi0 PCars FFB is better, I think the tracks are just lower resolution, but I can feel more of what the cars doing, even if it doesn't slide very much, even in a RUF... but the FFB is definitely better. AC's FFB I don't find to be any better than Dirt 2's or certainly not R3E's. Hell, even the tiny bit of Forza Horizon 2 I played before my Thrustmaster died gave me a pretty good feeling of weight transfer in big heavy things like jeeps and trucks compared to my rallymade Focus.
On a side note, I never had an issue with PCars.. but probably because I mainly hotlapped by myself... and once the FFB was finally dialed in a year later when someone figured out what all the settings actually do, it's a much more fun game than AC, and looks and actually feels smoother.

[SergeyTokarev 7]

"Keep going like this and we won't need games like Dirt Rally anymore!"
If DiRT Team will keep going like this, I won't need other racing games at all :P

[Rallycameraman 241]

I agree with some others, I find AC a little bit boring if I'm honest, and the WRC cars really aren't that great to drive. I. Sure if I messed about with the setups up they might eventually feel like a WRC car should, but they just feel heavy and slow as standard, which they absolutely should not!

[JZStudios 631]

It would be cool if CM did go and make an actual simulator Grid game. Just got Grid 2 free on my friends Xbone, and it's eh... I'm just tired of all these indie devs putting out basically the same games with the same crap graphics and underlying engines with slight tweaks to them and they have rabid fanbases. It's actually really funny, yet sad. They get so involved in these games, and they tout which ones best, but they've all got basically the same underlying engines and problems.

[JZStudios 631]

Heheh, so, I'm now a reader of Pretend race cars, also why I'm banned from the AC forums, but apparently AC just completely shut down and removed the mod section of the forum, the only reason I was ever on it anyways. :P Not sad to leave either. Still makes me add a question to my prior statement and say, why do these companies have PR guys/heads of the company that are just batshit crazy? :/

[PaloSamo 0]

@JZStudios I think you even featured in one of the posts on Pretend Race Cars? 

[MrDeap 12]

dgeesi0 said:

if you dedicate time and effort i was part of the very first players to play brokencars :D. if you think that has good physics and handling i will just leave it there. :plets not debate about that game it will just turn into a mess.

i do agree though a better tarmac working is needed for dirt rally. the grip needs to be less and not so twitchy.

Buy some real life Michelin racing tires. Just a glimpse of the Super Sport will make you think twice about grip on tarmac. Racing car come with wider tires & they're even stickier than road tires. 

In DR the car should be much more twitchy(easier to lose traction from upsetting the car). The grip should be about the same, maybe even more.

[JZStudios 631]

PaloSamo said:

@JZStudios I think you even featured in one of the posts on Pretend Race Cars? 

Hehehe, yeah. Got into a little spat with the AC crowd when I said Forza looks better and the new AC tire model seems to have a tinge of understeer. People went ******* nuts. I literally just said AC looks worse than Forza (which it does) and that it seems to have a little more understeer compared to the previous tire model. But because I didn't make charts and graphs and vague YT video's they went psycho and called me a conspiracy theorist, and Kunos himself came down to insult me when I posted a video describing the tire model that literally every racing game uses, and the problems they all encounter because of it. Kunos told me to get educated about it so literally the first thing I looked at showed me that AC is in fact running the same, in Kunos's own words, "1990 physics model" that's outdated. :P I called him out and he banned me. I could tell you my proof and you can check it yourself.
Anyways, it's just funny how all these racing sims all fight, piss, moan, scream, scratch, yell, I'm surprised it hasn't ended in murder yet. Actually, BeamNG seems to be the most realistic of all of them, with using the same Pacenjka curve, they also included the speed of the tire, which actually effects grip in ways none of the PC sims do. And the Beam guys aren't flaming Aholes, they'll get back to you quickly and actually discuss and explain physics to you.    

[BadD0g 0]

Maybe they all feel like they need to fight because the market is relatively small. What I don't get is why people feel like they need to pick sides. It's possible to like more than one game, believe it or not. Just because one does something better doesn't mean you have to abandon the other because it's not worthy enough. Of course I'm preaching to the choir on this forum I think.  ;)

[MrDeap 12]

It's kind of hard to take your case seriously since the car behave like it should in Assetto Corsa in most circumstance.

[Spokster 0]

Assetto Corsa is made for circuit racing, not for rallying, it doesn't have the right physics for it.

[JZStudios 631]

MrDeap said:

It's kind of hard to take your case seriously since the car behave like it should in Assetto Corsa in most circumstance.

All I said was literally I think there's a bit more understeer now. I'm pretty sure that corners I could take at higher speeds before you now have to go slower for. Someone also mentioned that GT3 class cars are also suddenly a few seconds a lap slower. It's not like I was ultimately shitting on the game or the physics, but it doesn't stop the kool aid drinkers from going out in force. In any case, I'll still play AC from time to time, but now, without mods to keep my interest, and devs that are way too ban happy and eager to insult customers, I won't be spending any more money on it. Either that, or I might buy the official content and just put it out for free.

BadD0g said:

Maybe they all feel like they need to fight because the market is relatively small. What I don't get is why people feel like they need to pick sides. It's possible to like more than one game, believe it or not. Just because one does something better doesn't mean you have to abandon the other because it's not worthy enough. Of course I'm preaching to the choir on this forum I think.  ;)

Yeah, at least here you can say "I like Forza" without the entirety of the community and the dev's trying to ban you. Forza does a lot more than any other sim right now, even if the FFB isn't great. At least I can actually build and tune cars.

RinusRally said:

It does some great things. But it's merely a hotlap simulation game. AI lacks. rubberbangs like crazy, but in the end I highely favor the gamer fov settings, triple screen settings, road cars, mod-support and some of it's tracks. Too bad the achievements are very difficult to get, because the achievements are not adjusted to the new tire-system

The triple support is honestly the best thing about the game. I don't think I've ever even tried the AI, I don't understand how it can be so bad. Why would the achievements be hard because of the new tire model?

[MrDeap 12]

JZStudios said:
Yeah, at least here you can say "I like Forza" without the entirety of the community and the dev's trying to ban you. Forza does a lot more than any other sim right now, even if the FFB isn't great. At least I can actually build and tune cars.

It's kind of hard to explain but Forza is an Italian word. Some people find the game handling so atrocious that yeah, maybe you were deserving it for naming that game in an official Italian game forum*.

[JZStudios 631]

MrDeap said:

JZStudios said:
Yeah, at least here you can say "I like Forza" without the entirety of the community and the dev's trying to ban you. Forza does a lot more than any other sim right now, even if the FFB isn't great. At least I can actually build and tune cars.

It's kind of hard to explain but Forza is an Italian word. Some people find the game handling so atrocious that yeah, maybe you were deserving it for naming that game in an official Italian game forum*.

It was a thread someone started about Forza Apex. The Forum is also English and so are the majority of it's user base.

[TheFlyingTuga 92]

Oh C'mon. AC is not that bad. To be a real sim there are a awfull lot of things missing. But it's kind of a good entering to sim racing. But I do agree with you, it's a hotlap or short races game. But it's fine, especially for me. I'm in a time in my life that I cannot dedicate to much time to a Sim. I cannot take hours to race and evolve. So, nice physics and a eyecandy graphics and lovely design tracks does it for me. Kinda of like Dirt Rally works for rally. It's really good, but it lacks somethings to be the great.

P.S - Thanks for showing me the PRC blog. I have a new simracing news site :smiley:

P.S2 - About the rallylgendsmod. That it's all stuff from RBR. The cars got repainted in 4K, and the tracks got new thingies... but, all and all, it's material for a 12 yo game. I do think that the cars look great. RBR have one of the most healthiest communities nowadays. People do great work, and always because they love the game, not for money. But yeah, the physics suck but even back in the ol' rF1 days, we have seen people say that the Rallyworld physics were the real deal :smiley:

P.S3 - It's rF2 really worth the money? I know that the laserscanned tracks from AC will be in there soner or later (If they aren's already). But does it really stands out physics wise from all the others?

[dgeesi0 305]

if you are going to be highly critical on any game project get ready for hassle.

PaloSamo said:

@JZStudios I think you even featured in one of the posts on Pretend Race Cars? 

i did and it was a damning one. basically played from alpha day one. was setting wr times with a few mates . gave some basic criticism admin edited my post to what he wanted it to say LOL then banned me and refunded me instantly. my friend asked why he only asked about the dodgy handling. he was banned instantly refunded LOL.

the best thing is about a week later the stig put what i said about the game and they said we will look into it LOL.even though i was beating his times and that Hamilton guy . ;)

so basically a friend brought me the game on his account and i just carried on playing under a different alias lol.the game has never really been fixed you have people who have no idea how the cars should handle giving input and many that do just get banned or refunded for criticism.

what we must remember is its always a business first. if you mess with that media wise whether what you put is true or not you will be in for it.


Mr deap i love dirt rally but the tarmac and handling on it is totally wrong. this is the best rally game ever made but the tarmac isnt right. nothing to do with get mich tires. its wrong.

[JZStudios 631]

dgeesi0 said:

if you are going to be highly critical on any game project get ready for hassle.

PaloSamo said:

@JZStudios I think you even featured in one of the posts on Pretend Race Cars? 

i did and it was a damning one. basically played from alpha day one. was setting wr times with a few mates . gave some basic criticism admin edited my post to what he wanted it to say LOL then banned me and refunded me instantly. my friend asked why he only asked about the dodgy handling. he was banned instantly refunded LOL.

the best thing is about a week later the stig put what i said about the game and they said we will look into it LOL.even though i was beating his times and that Hamilton guy . ;)

so basically a friend brought me the game on his account and i just carried on playing under a different alias lol.the game has never really been fixed you have people who have no idea how the cars should handle giving input and many that do just get banned or refunded for criticism.

what we must remember is its always a business first. if you mess with that media wise whether what you put is true or not you will be in for it.


Mr deap i love dirt rally but the tarmac and handling on it is totally wrong. this is the best rally game ever made but the tarmac isnt right. nothing to do with get mich tires. its wrong.

Wow. Wish I was refunded. Honestly yeah, for a hotlap sim I'd rather play PCars. For me, or maybe just hotlapping, I haven't run into any bugs, and the game just looks and runs better. Even though AC will run at like 100FPS I get a bunch of weird little micro stutters that I don't in PCars.

@TheFlyingTuga AC isn't that bad, no, but it's also not that great, maybe even not that good. For being touted as basically the best sim ever, there's all kinds of very simple basic required things for a racing sim that are missing. And this games been a final release for like 3 years. The laser scanned tracks are really their only ace up the sleeve. Most of their DLC cars are just reskins of older cars already in the game with the same.... everything basically. There's 2 McLaren GT3 12c whatever, with one being a newer model with a completely different suspension model. In game however, if you dig in the files, everything is almost exactly the same, just off by like a hundred thousandth of a millimeter. They give some kind of excuse, but there's also... I believe it's the GT3 Huracan that has exactly the same setup as a base road going Audi R8. If someone managed to rip AC's tracks and put them in PCars I'd actually be pretty happy.

At this point, it's almost like a matter of principle, no, the game isn't awful, provided you do nothing but run 3-10 laps (pretty sure there's no pitstops.... but maybe that was multiplayer...) but everything "race" sim about it isn't there, and they have devs that won't take anything less than praise and gifts of Blood and Wine, and everyone else is an idiot or troll for bringing up many of actual problems with the game. I can't in good conscience tell people to buy the game or much less join the community.

Also, I wouldn't mention on any other sim racing sites that you read PRC because then your an idiotic conspiracy theorist because you haven't drunk the kool-aid.

[MrDeap 12]

dgeesi0 said:

Mr deap i love dirt rally but the tarmac and handling on it is totally wrong. this is the best rally game ever made but the tarmac isnt right. nothing to do with get mich tires. its wrong.

You should get experience with Michelin Super Sport tires, or get some actual experience with Sport cup one.

The handling is wrong for the whole game.

[dgeesi0 305]

MrDeap said:

dgeesi0 said:

Mr deap i love dirt rally but the tarmac and handling on it is totally wrong. this is the best rally game ever made but the tarmac isnt right. nothing to do with get mich tires. its wrong.

You should get experience with Michelin Super Sport tires, or get some actual experience with Sport cup one.

The handling is wrong for the whole game.

what ? :# why do i need to get experience to see that the tarmac handling is wrong in dirt rally ? i need to drive on super sport tyres in real life to see that dirt rally tarmac handling is correct ? it isnt. its that simple.

before you guess.

i have driven half the cars in this game on ice, snow, tarmac.do i need to go get super sport tyres to tell me what i already know ? no. everything else in this game is very good better than anything about. the tarmac , no . there is no need to debate it many feel the same. you wont change the outcome.