What car is the fastest in Dirt Rally?

[Dytut 89]

Yo!

Figured I'd ask around what car is considered the fastest in Dirt Rally. By fastest, I don't mean "can set the absolute best times in a perfect hotlap run", but the car that would be the fastest overall if you'd do a championship round on all events in DR (no restarts) and no car restrictions.

My gut feeling is that the Polo WRC would be the fastest due to it's consistency. But I'd be interested to hear your views on this. Especially you really fast gals and guys who really push the cars to the edge.

[Porkhammer 78]

The 205 is far superior to the Polo in the game, so that gets my vote.

[KK78 9]

I'd say the Pug too, although for me personally the Polo as I can keep that on the track more :#  The fully upgraded Pug is an unwieldy beast, for me anyway.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Unfortunately that darn pug... and to make matters worse, it's the easiest to drive out of all the Gr. B. When you have issues, just give it more power -_-

[tbtstt 2,387]

My first answer would be the Polo as well. The Pug has the grunt, but the Polo is more manageable. 

I keep meaning to start a thread asking for peoples opinions on fastest cars in each class. Some classes I think the winner is pretty clear, but in others I'm not so sure!

[dgeesi0 305]

easiest to drive ? :/

lancia s4 is childs play compared to the pug on the edge.

2010s should be the fastest in reality teh pug would probably win though you would be a very sweaty boy after racing everything . maybe we should try this. shouldnt discount the 2001 2007 focus though as they are so easy to drive fast.id pick the fiesta rs rally over the polo also.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

tbtstt said:

I keep meaning to start a thread asking for peoples opinions on fastest cars in each class. Some classes I think the winner is pretty clear, but in others I'm not so sure!

60s - Alpine
70s - Kadett/Stratos
80s - R5
Gr.B RWD - 037
Gr.B - 205
Gr.A - Integrale
F2 - 306
2000s - Focus '01 for gravel, Focus '07 for tarmac
R4 - Evo X
2010s - Polo

Some of those can be matched by other cars in the class on certain stages/locations, but generally those will be the fastest cars in overall for each class.

[Porkhammer 78]

The Stratos is quicker than the Kadett though, providing it has the right pilot... and the Renault R5 is a lot quicker than the M3, sadly.

[Dytut 89]

Interesting. I've always discarded the Group B cars due to them being a bit too hard to drive consistently. 

Should we set up a league with no restrictions over all locations and see where it leads us? Would be interesting, but would also only be informative if the absolute top drivers competed (and with a bit of variance on cars so not everyone just goes for the pug or polo).

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Porkhammer said:

The Stratos is quicker than the Kadett though, providing it has the right pilot... and the Renault R5 is a lot quicker than the M3, sadly.

Well, edited that in. Not that interested with the older cars or the Renaults, so yeah.

Dytut said:

Should we set up a league with no restrictions over all locations and see where it leads us? Would be interesting, but would also only be informative if the absolute top drivers competed (and with a bit of variance on cars so not everyone just goes for the pug or polo).

Well, if Porky will participate, the winner is obvious then. Heck, he would beat us even if we all would be driving the Polo while he would be in the 60s Mini xD

[superdorfer 11]

RyuMakkuro said:

Unfortunately that darn pug... and to make matters worse, it's the easiest to drive out of all the Gr. B. When you have issues, just give it more power -_-

Interesting point!

My perception as keyboard player:

Easy-Medium: Lancia S4
Medium: Audi Quattro
Medium-Hard: Ford RS200
Hard: MG Metro
Very hard: "The pug"

[dgeesi0 305]

RyuMakkuro said:

Porkhammer said:

The Stratos is quicker than the Kadett though, providing it has the right pilot... and the Renault R5 is a lot quicker than the M3, sadly.

Well, edited that in. Not that interested with the older cars or the Renaults, so yeah.

Dytut said:

Should we set up a league with no restrictions over all locations and see where it leads us? Would be interesting, but would also only be informative if the absolute top drivers competed (and with a bit of variance on cars so not everyone just goes for the pug or polo).

Well, if Porky will participate, the winner is obvious then. Heck, he would beat us even if we all would be driving the Polo while he would be in the 60s Mini xD

while i agree porky is the most consistent i don't think hes the fastest overall.also if you ask him certain cars hes not that fast in. also in rally you never know. a spin off on one track can cost you everything.

[Porkhammer 78]

dgeesi0 said:

while i agree porky is the most consistent i don't think hes the fastest overall.also if you ask him certain cars hes not that fast in.

Yup, I consider myself to be absolute trash in 2000's, 2010's, and R4's.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

superdorfer said:

RyuMakkuro said:

Unfortunately that darn pug... and to make matters worse, it's the easiest to drive out of all the Gr. B. When you have issues, just give it more power -_-

Interesting point!

Well, "the pug" is the fastest which alone makes it difficult, as the level of speed is just insane, however... that said, the car has no issues soaking up the bumps and cutting corners is more than possible. On top of that it's if not the smallest Gr.B car, then at least 2nd smallest, which helps a lot, especially in Greece and Monte Carlo, where the huge S4 feels like an elephant in a room with porcelain. Along with that, if you do make a mistake, adding more throttle solves the issues effectively, as the car just powerslides its way through. The speed itself is the scary part that makes most think it's difficult to drive. You just need to adjust the braking point and be mindful you'll be about 10-20 km/h faster at the end of the straights than with other cars. Once you keep that in mind... easy peasy lemon squeezy. Well, Sweden being exception, where "powerslidey" cars have a hard time due to the snowbanks of infinite suction.

Delta S4 is just big and very unhappy when it comes to bumps or leaving the road in any way. I've tested so many different setups for it, and every single one is just horrible when the car encounters any bumps, or you may want to cut a corner. The grass in Wales is basically a surefire method of losing control and rolling (not spinning, mind you) into some nearby trees -_- As long as the road is flat and wide, the car is easily controllable, I can agree there fully, but that's the case with 2 out of 6 locations in DR, and even then not always. When it comes to bumpy stuff though, only Metro is worse.

Quattro has issues with landings, that's obvious. Though it's surprisingly fast in Sweden...

RS200 is just a floaty boat. And as all floaty boats, it's easy and hard at the same time.

Metro... well, the car just doesn't like following driver orders. Let's leave it at that.

I would say that if you adjust to the speed, pug is the easiest. If not, then Quattro, given that you don't do jumps with it. Then RS200 as it floats and drives exactly the same in every location so easy to adjust, then S4 due to it's inner hate of bumps and Metro is just balls to the walls completely uncooperative.

[tbtstt 2,387]

RyuMakkuro said:

I would say that if you adjust to the speed, pug is the easiest. If not, then Quattro, given that you don't do jumps with it. Then RS200 as it floats and drives exactly the same in every location so easy to adjust, then S4 due to it's inner hate of bumps and Metro is just balls to the walls completely uncooperative.

Definitely agree with that. I picked the RS200 for the monthly so I could do some miles in it and unlock all the upgrades. I was very surprised by how consistent the handling was across the various events. It may have been my imagination but it also seemed less susceptible to the magnetic snow banks of Sweden. 

[RyuMakkuro 6]

tbtstt said:
It may have been my imagination but it also seemed less susceptible to the magnetic snow banks of Sweden. 

Maybe because it's the most "roundy" of all the Gr.B cars? All other are basically cardboard boxes xD

[superdorfer 11]

RyuMakkuro said:

superdorfer said:

RyuMakkuro said:

Unfortunately that darn pug... and to make matters worse, it's the easiest to drive out of all the Gr. B. When you have issues, just give it more power -_-

Interesting point!

Well, "the pug" is the fastest which alone makes it difficult, as the level of speed is just insane, however... that said, the car has no issues soaking up the bumps and cutting corners is more than possible. On top of that it's if not the smallest Gr.B car, then at least 2nd smallest, which helps a lot, especially in Greece and Monte Carlo, where the huge S4 feels like an elephant in a room with porcelain. Along with that, if you do make a mistake, adding more throttle solves the issues effectively, as the car just powerslides its way through. The speed itself is the scary part that makes most think it's difficult to drive. You just need to adjust the braking point and be mindful you'll be about 10-20 km/h faster at the end of the straights than with other cars. Once you keep that in mind... easy peasy lemon squeezy. Well, Sweden being exception, where "powerslidey" cars have a hard time due to the snowbanks of infinite suction.

Delta S4 is just big and very unhappy when it comes to bumps or leaving the road in any way. I've tested so many different setups for it, and every single one is just horrible when the car encounters any bumps, or you may want to cut a corner. The grass in Wales is basically a surefire method of losing control and rolling (not spinning, mind you) into some nearby trees -_- As long as the road is flat and wide, the car is easily controllable, I can agree there fully, but that's the case with 2 out of 6 locations in DR, and even then not always. When it comes to bumpy stuff though, only Metro is worse.

Quattro has issues with landings, that's obvious. Though it's surprisingly fast in Sweden...

RS200 is just a floaty boat. And as all floaty boats, it's easy and hard at the same time.

Metro... well, the car just doesn't like following driver orders. Let's leave it at that.

I would say that if you adjust to the speed, pug is the easiest. If not, then Quattro, given that you don't do jumps with it. Then RS200 as it floats and drives exactly the same in every location so easy to adjust, then S4 due to it's inner hate of bumps and Metro is just balls to the walls completely uncooperative.

Yes, thanks for your detailed remarks, agree on most of your points. I judged it more from a competitive point of view. The Lancia S4 is simply that Group B car, where I am able to score the most competitive times in dailies, and in most cases I make it to the finish line. Whereas with the Metro and the Pug, I barely see half of the stage when I really push. But maybe this is more related to the input device: I use keyboard and you probably gamepad, right? So maybe, also therein is a difference explained.

However, that said, I must admit that today in the Lancia daily.. It didn't feel easy at all. I ended up ON the big black barrels standing around in the sharp left hairpin, shortly before the last sector :)

[shadow118 18]

superdorfer said:

RyuMakkuro said:

Unfortunately that darn pug... and to make matters worse, it's the easiest to drive out of all the Gr. B. When you have issues, just give it more power -_-

Interesting point!

My perception as keyboard player:

Easy-Medium: Lancia S4
Medium: Audi Quattro
Medium-Hard: Ford RS200
Hard: MG Metro
Very hard: "The pug"

As a wheel player, I would switch Lancia with the RS200.
For me the RS200 feels almost like a Group A car, just with 50% more power, the Quattro's a bit slow (default setup tops out at 211 km/h), but also very managable (at least on flat roads, like Germany). S4 feels similar to the RS200, but stiffer. The 6R4 ir very nimble and tail-happy, fun to drive but not easy. And Pug just feels too fast, also not the greatest suspension (same as Quattro, but that one is not that fast, so more controllable)  

[cjl9 12]

Porkhammer said:

dgeesi0 said:

while i agree porky is the most consistent i don't think hes the fastest overall.also if you ask him certain cars hes not that fast in.

Yup, I consider myself to be absolute trash in 2000's, 2010's, and R4's.

Yeah, right...terrible times.   ;)

[Jepsertti 26]

Porkhammer said:

dgeesi0 said:

while i agree porky is the most consistent i don't think hes the fastest overall.also if you ask him certain cars hes not that fast in.

Yup, I consider myself to be absolute trash in 2000's, 2010's, and R4's.

[Pepe55 0]

superdorfer said:

RyuMakkuro said:

superdorfer said:

RyuMakkuro said:

Unfortunately that darn pug... and to make matters worse, it's the easiest to drive out of all the Gr. B. When you have issues, just give it more power -_-

Interesting point!

Well, "the pug" is the fastest which alone makes it difficult, as the level of speed is just insane, however... that said, the car has no issues soaking up the bumps and cutting corners is more than possible. On top of that it's if not the smallest Gr.B car, then at least 2nd smallest, which helps a lot, especially in Greece and Monte Carlo, where the huge S4 feels like an elephant in a room with porcelain. Along with that, if you do make a mistake, adding more throttle solves the issues effectively, as the car just powerslides its way through. The speed itself is the scary part that makes most think it's difficult to drive. You just need to adjust the braking point and be mindful you'll be about 10-20 km/h faster at the end of the straights than with other cars. Once you keep that in mind... easy peasy lemon squeezy. Well, Sweden being exception, where "powerslidey" cars have a hard time due to the snowbanks of infinite suction.

Delta S4 is just big and very unhappy when it comes to bumps or leaving the road in any way. I've tested so many different setups for it, and every single one is just horrible when the car encounters any bumps, or you may want to cut a corner. The grass in Wales is basically a surefire method of losing control and rolling (not spinning, mind you) into some nearby trees -_- As long as the road is flat and wide, the car is easily controllable, I can agree there fully, but that's the case with 2 out of 6 locations in DR, and even then not always. When it comes to bumpy stuff though, only Metro is worse.

Quattro has issues with landings, that's obvious. Though it's surprisingly fast in Sweden...

RS200 is just a floaty boat. And as all floaty boats, it's easy and hard at the same time.

Metro... well, the car just doesn't like following driver orders. Let's leave it at that.

I would say that if you adjust to the speed, pug is the easiest. If not, then Quattro, given that you don't do jumps with it. Then RS200 as it floats and drives exactly the same in every location so easy to adjust, then S4 due to it's inner hate of bumps and Metro is just balls to the walls completely uncooperative.

Yes, thanks for your detailed remarks, agree on most of your points. I judged it more from a competitive point of view. The Lancia S4 is simply that Group B car, where I am able to score the most competitive times in dailies, and in most cases I make it to the finish line. Whereas with the Metro and the Pug, I barely see half of the stage when I really push. But maybe this is more related to the input device: I use keyboard and you probably gamepad, right? So maybe, also therein is a difference explained.

However, that said, I must admit that today in the Lancia daily.. It didn't feel easy at all. I ended up ON the big black barrels standing around in the sharp left hairpin, shortly before the last sector :)

It will be interesting to see what I get for a payout from the monthly challenge tomorrow, as my times "sucked" having done the last six runs with the not so great FFB after that initial update!!! On top of that, that RS200 is "one heck of a hand full" at the best of times!!! Same with the Metro, Lancia S4, all those short wheel base cars, give me fits!!!!!! :'(
Cheers,

Pepe.

[shadow118 18]

Pepe55 said:
On top of that, that RS200 is "one heck of a hand full" at the best of times!!! Same with the Metro, Lancia S4, all those short wheel base cars, give me fits!!!!!! :'(

Cheers,

Pepe.

But RS200 isn't short wheelbase

[madwak 0]

Please can somebody who is using a thrustmaster wheel try changing the following settings and see if it improves your driving feel?  Set all ffb values to 150, set steering saturation to 100, steering linearity to +8 for T300 or +6 for T500, lock the DOR to 540 using the mode button 3 flashes on mode light - doing this improved my driveabilty (not my talent ) using the T500 and I am now able to do the longest Sweden stage at quite a lick and only clipped one snow bank :smile: I would be interested to know if it makes a difference to other users,  thanks :wink:

[tbtstt 2,387]

Didzis said:

Pepe55 said:
On top of that, that RS200 is "one heck of a hand full" at the best of times!!! Same with the Metro, Lancia S4, all those short wheel base cars, give me fits!!!!!! :'(

Cheers,

Pepe.

But RS200 isn't short wheelbase

I believe the RS200 has the longest wheelbase of any Group B car in DR, but I personally still class it as a short wheelbase car. The Citroen BX 4TC is the only Group B car I can think of that had a long wheelbase.

Off topic: I was in an RS200 yesterday. I want one in my life so badly it hurts.

[RyuMakkuro 6]

Porkhammer said:
Yup, I consider myself to be absolute trash in 2000's, 2010's, and R4's.

Yeah, right...