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FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2014


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Vettel beating Ricciardo was good, Alonso-Ricciardo was a pretty good battle and Bottas getting second was nice. They do hype Bottas up a bit, he is a good young driver with a few podiums, Heidfeld got a lot of podiums, still wasn't a champion, need to give him time. 

Good race overall. 

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yugin96 said:
AMS97KRR said:

Vettel beating Ricciardo was good

I'd be pretty worried (edit: if I were a Vettel fan) about the fact that Ricciardo finished less than 10 seconds behind Vettel despite being knocked down to P15 after the first lap.

I doubt Vettel was pushing as hard most of the time, Ricciardo was pushing a lot because he had ground to make up. 


You will always find a way to discredit Vettel so I honestly don't care. 

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AMS97KRR said:
yugin96 said:
AMS97KRR said:

Vettel beating Ricciardo was good

I'd be pretty worried (edit: if I were a Vettel fan) about the fact that Ricciardo finished less than 10 seconds behind Vettel despite being knocked down to P15 after the first lap.

I doubt Vettel was pushing as hard most of the time, Ricciardo was pushing a lot because he had ground to make up. 


You will always find a way to discredit Vettel so I honestly don't care. 

You think Vettel wasn't pushing when he had to battle with Fernando, the Hulk, Kimi, Button and Hamilton?

Ok.

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AMS97KRR said:
yugin96 said:
AMS97KRR said:

Vettel beating Ricciardo was good

I'd be pretty worried (edit: if I were a Vettel fan) about the fact that Ricciardo finished less than 10 seconds behind Vettel despite being knocked down to P15 after the first lap.

I doubt Vettel was pushing as hard most of the time, Ricciardo was pushing a lot because he had ground to make up. 


You will always find a way to discredit Vettel so I honestly don't care. 

You think Vettel wasn't pushing when he had to battle with Fernando, the Hulk, Kimi, Button and Hamilton?

Ok.

Well you know I didn't point out all the specifics, but whatever you say.

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AMS97KRR said:
AMS97KRR said:
yugin96 said:
AMS97KRR said:

Vettel beating Ricciardo was good

I'd be pretty worried (edit: if I were a Vettel fan) about the fact that Ricciardo finished less than 10 seconds behind Vettel despite being knocked down to P15 after the first lap.

I doubt Vettel was pushing as hard most of the time, Ricciardo was pushing a lot because he had ground to make up. 


You will always find a way to discredit Vettel so I honestly don't care. 

You think Vettel wasn't pushing when he had to battle with Fernando, the Hulk, Kimi, Button and Hamilton?

Ok.

Well you know I didn't point out all the specifics, but whatever you say.

I'd quite like to hear those specifics. Vettel was up against Alonso all race long and not till when Alonso got stuck behind Ricciardo for a few laps was P4 guaranteed.

VetteIfan said:

Anyone notice all the drivers are getting a lot more aggressive since they've introduced a new more lenient way of looking at penalties?

Yes, agreed. It's probably one of the better (and ironically almost completely unpublicised) rule changes in recent times. Seeing drivers pile into the hairpin three or four at a time was mega.

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yugin96 said:
AMS97KRR said:
AMS97KRR said:
yugin96 said:
AMS97KRR said:

Vettel beating Ricciardo was good

I'd be pretty worried (edit: if I were a Vettel fan) about the fact that Ricciardo finished less than 10 seconds behind Vettel despite being knocked down to P15 after the first lap.

I doubt Vettel was pushing as hard most of the time, Ricciardo was pushing a lot because he had ground to make up. 


You will always find a way to discredit Vettel so I honestly don't care. 

You think Vettel wasn't pushing when he had to battle with Fernando, the Hulk, Kimi, Button and Hamilton?

Ok.

Well you know I didn't point out all the specifics, but whatever you say.

I'd quite like to hear those specifics. Vettel was up against Alonso all race long and not till when Alonso got stuck behind Ricciardo for a few laps was P4 guaranteed.

VetteIfan said:

Anyone notice all the drivers are getting a lot more aggressive since they've introduced a new more lenient way of looking at penalties?

Yes, agreed. It's probably one of the better (and ironically almost completely unpublicised) rule changes in recent times. Seeing drivers pile into the hairpin three or four at a time was mega.

I doubt Vettel was pushing to the max the entire time, he was saving fuel a fair amount while behind Alonso. Then when Alonso's tyres went, he was probably told to back off and make his last, hence why the gap from the Ric-Alo battle didn't increase, when you'd have thought it would have.


 In comparison, Ricciardo was fighting all race long and pushing most of the time. 


Anyway, I'd be concerned If I was a Hamilton fan, you know, losing out right now in the championship. 

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And for how long was Vettel behind Alonso? Only a 10+ lap stint on supersofts- and even then he would've been trying to get past seeing as he was on the superior tyre and needed to make his advantage count. Alonso's tyres also only went in the last few laps of the race after he'd gotten last Ricciardo. How much of a gap do you think Vettel would've pulled anyway? 


Also, I'm most certainly not a Hamilton fan, so nothing for me to be concerned about.

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I'm just saying, Vettel wouldn't have been pushing all the time, especially since he is running low on PU's.

Number of PUs is a non-factor, really. Might stop you from doing an extra run in FP3, but you don't risk losing a position just to save the engine unless it looks like it's about to blow imminently. Whatever engine life he might have saved by not pushing so hard, he'll use up with a couple of fast laps in the next race weekend, and there goes the PU.

So yes, Vettel was pushing for most of the race. Not all of it, but seriously, who does? Every driver delibrately starts the race underfuelled to save weight, then saves fuel when they can. For all meaningful intents and purposes the only driver who can claim to have not maximised the car's potential is Rosberg.

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