TOO MUCH advantage for players using TC

[SentryAlpha 0]

https://youtu.be/iSUlqKo_6zI

@dirt3joe 

• Body is 30 characters too short.

[Woqrr 0]

SentryAlpha said:

https://youtu.be/iSUlqKo_6zI

@dirt3joe 

• Body is 30 characters too short.

conclusion ?

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Woqrr said:

SpaceMonkey said:

dirt3joe said:

SpaceMonkey said:

Can anyone post some pics of the leaderboards dominated by assists? I don't have access at the moment to live leaderboards on console. Thanks.

@SpaceMonkey

Well I certainly can't !

As an aside, thinking about how you define it makes my head spin. First you've got the bias that people who are naturally fast are almost certain to start and continue to play the game with tc off, so they may never find out whether they could go faster with tc on. Then you've got the wheel and pad bias. Then you've got the fact that anyone who ends up turning tc off is likely to be better and therefore be able to post faster times than someone who keeps it on. I guess you can only compare it person to person, and see whether the majortiy can improve their time (eventually) on turning it off. The only other thing I can think of doing is looking at the profiles you got on your other games. I assume you get a normal distribution of times on the leaderboard, and the gaps between the peaks in tc on and off might give you some clues as it whether the process is working as designed.

Anecdotally, I would say that for me turning traction control off does not improve my performance as much as I would expect, but maybe in the next few days I will try a more scientific experiment and see whether or not that's 100% true. So far I've spent too much time having fun with tc off to bother turning it on.

True. I'm going on the assumption that the top 100 will do anything to be in the top 100 and therefore will turn on or off anything that will make them faster. With that in mind we should either see assists on at the top of the leaderboard, or off and in theory, generally speaking, it should give us an idea as to whether TC on is really faster than off.

I bet you 1 Mill € :-)) that if all the guys with TC on who are listed in the top 100 list, turn TC off, all of them would desappear not only from top 100 list, but also from 1.000 top list in less than 1 day.

 @Woqrr Agree with you and i might be the first one unable to set a time if i did turn the assists off. The whole point of the assists is for players like us who wouldn't buy the game otherwise. CM have made the game for masses (novices to experts) which include people like us and therefore cater both sides of the spectrum.
Just to let you know I have bought more or less all f1 games since the CE edition.
Moreover you banging on about the top 100 in TT - It clearly shows who have used assists in setting their best time. Your comparison would be with those who haven't used assists and not with those who have in setting their best lap time. If the laptime did not show this it was a different matter.

[SentryAlpha 0]

Woqrr said:

SentryAlpha said:

https://youtu.be/iSUlqKo_6zI

@dirt3joe 

• Body is 30 characters too short.

conclusion ?

Assists were a few tenths faster than no assists along with better tire wear over longer distances. There are high margins of mistakes without TC while with TC you're planted to the track and can ride curbs easier. 

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hellbound14 said:

i hate assist users there useless lazy bastards who are too lazy to learn how to play a game properly! These are the guys who are probably still having there nappys changed by mammy

Shut up u prick some off us ain't got the time to sit there all day trying to learn no assist, your the muppet who thinks your superior then everyone wen all your doing is playing a computer game, yes a computer game and you think your special cause you play with no assist , well done mate you just won being dick of the day . COYG 

[NickDahy 0]

They should just make it so medium TC is the same as full TC because full TC is definitely not as fast as no assits.

And same for ABS, make it so its 10m not as good instead of 10m too good!  not that hard!!  Assists users wont even notice except for high end leaderboards and high end league racing!

[marvinandroid85 3]

I think it's fair to downgrade the TC online -  but leave the single player alone. Everyone is free to enjoy the game however they want 

[7thGearRL 8]

marvinandroid85 said:

I think it's fair to downgrade the TC online -  but leave the single player alone. Everyone is free to enjoy the game however they want 

Agreed.

A response from Codemasters would be nice as they've not replied to anything on this issue despite it being debated and discussed continually..

[Woqrr 0]

NickDahy said:

They should just make it so medium TC is the same as full TC because full TC is definitely not as fast as no assits.

And same for ABS, make it so its 10m not as good instead of 10m too good!  not that hard!!  Assists users wont even notice except for high end leaderboards and high end league racing!

Please elaborare a bit more; is not that clear your post.

Thanks

[marsal79 0]

Woqrr said:

Sorry but I really don´t undesrtand why on earth, Codemasters continues to help players using TC. It is really annoying.

Here is my humble proposal:

Why don´t you just REDUCE max. speed and / or acceleration, of cars using TC and ABS ???

whouldn´t it be mor fair ??

Ask arwboy please.... he is driving without assist and ist the fastest driver on earth ! 
Maybe you need to practice more ??

[militaryman17 0]

@Britpoint @jennyannem plz take note, no assists need to have an advantage not much but enough

[NickDahy 0]

Woqrr said:

NickDahy said:

They should just make it so medium TC is the same as full TC because full TC is definitely not as fast as no assits.

And same for ABS, make it so its 10m not as good instead of 10m too good!  not that hard!!  Assists users wont even notice except for high end leaderboards and high end league racing!

Please elaborare a bit more; is not that clear your post.

Thanks

  Basically just restating what Limitless said in his youtube video.  In my personal testing I am finding that when TC is set to FULL it is slower than non assists, however Medium TC is faster than no Assists.  You also make many less errors because it is much easier to not make a mistake.

As far as ABS goes, there is not a big gap but it seems like you can brake about 10-20meters later with ABS on.

So my solution would be to make TC -Medium equal to TC Full with loss of pace and make ABS so that you have to brake 10-20 meters earlier with it on so you can break better without assists.

Maybe that is more clear.

[dgeesi0 305]

better driver will be faster with no assists.

[andmcq 79]

Honestly, any use of any assists should either invalid the time or the time should go onto a different board. No one cares about times set with assists.

[marsal79 0]

To be faster without assist you need more practice... if you can drive 2 weeks after release faster without tc, than the game is trash! 
Practice practice practice and you will becomes fatser without tc/assisit, but not within 2 weeks! Ridiculous 

[FOneFanatic 181]

Woqrr said:

Sorry but I really don´t undesrtand why on earth, Codemasters continues to help players using TC. It is really annoying.

Here is my humble proposal:

Why don´t you just REDUCE max. speed and / or acceleration, of cars using TC and ABS ???

whouldn´t it be mor fair ??

What are you fretting about man? Players of this game who avail themselves of any kind of assists are doing themselves a disservice by not developing car control skills possessed by modern F1 drivers, who use no assists whatsoever. The thing about using no assists is that over time you master maneuvers that folks using assists cannot execute with the celerity you will come to possess over time using no assists.   So forget about the folks using ABS, you'll be passing them soon enough without any assists!!!!

[SentryAlpha 0]

marsal79 said:

To be faster without assist you need more practice... if you can drive 2 weeks after release faster without tc, than the game is trash! 
Practice practice practice and you will becomes fatser without tc/assisit, but not within 2 weeks! Ridiculous 

That's why TRL Limitless posted the comparison. Because he's been a beta tester and had 2 months extra practice with the game.

[NickDahy 0]

Yeah and the beta testers have confirmed that in the beta assists where slower, but for the release game they changed the balance and now they are not.

[Priddo 0]

God the no assists whingers are really annoying. Join no assists leagues and lobies, and it mskes no difference to you playing offline. Stop trying to ruin ot for players who dont have wheels or the time to master no tc.

[SentryAlpha 0]

Priddo said:

God the no assists whingers are really annoying. Join no assists leagues and lobies, and it mskes no difference to you playing offline. Stop trying to ruin ot for players who dont have wheels or the time to master no tc.

First off, weren't not trying to ruin the game for anyone. Second, you know how selfish you sound right this moment?

"Oh no, they're trying to give people a valid reason to turn off assists!" is exactly how you sound right now. You don't even think about community splits and everything else this comes with.

This is a big problem for major leagues because we don't want to split leagues by banning assists. We want to have people of all skill levels be able to compete and TC ruins that by being faster. AOR had to ban assists when they ran on 2013 and this meant that casual people who wanted a good league and didn't have enough time to master no assists, couldn't race. If you wanna bring that argument here, then I can throw it back right at ya. 

Not once have no assist users ever wanted to deter assists users until assists became the faster way around. That's like rewarding someone more who used a calculator on a test and not the guy who worked out each problem seperately. He clearly worked harder so why isn't he the one being rewarded?

- a triggered individual 

[hellbound14 0]

Oh i do love assist users i really can't understand there theory's. They say they use assists as they are novices or they don't have enough time to practice as much as others.
 So why should you be able to set the same times or go quicker than the guys who make an effort to play the game as realistic as possible........ Do yourselves a favour and go moan to codemasters about helmets sizes or something else pathetic 

[DCOffset 0]

Codemasters,

As a racer who doesn't use assists, I would like to have an option to filter* the leaderboard to see where I stand amongst my fellow racers (with a checkbox for each assist and where no selection would give me the results I'm looking for (i.e. no assists)). 

*preferably by clicking on the "assists" column heading. (I've already tried... didn't work.)

Thanks for reading!

[Priddo 0]

it sounds slightly less selfish than making 1000 threads about changing the assists in some form because you want to get some reward. We saw it the first 999 times.

The reward should come from satisfaction of mastering driving without them.

The only change that should be made is to split TT leaderboards.

Im actually transitioning from assists to no assists now i have a wheel, so ill soon be on the otherside of this completely but im not going to make thread after thread complaining that some people with assists are faster than me.

Also so far to me medium tc feels faster than tc, if that continues into tc off, i seriously dont know what would even be to complain about.

[TopAirspace 6]

SentryAlpha said:

Priddo said:

God the no assists whingers are really annoying. Join no assists leagues and lobies, and it mskes no difference to you playing offline. Stop trying to ruin ot for players who dont have wheels or the time to master no tc.

First off, weren't not trying to ruin the game for anyone. Second, you know how selfish you sound right this moment?

"Oh no, they're trying to give people a valid reason to turn off assists!" is exactly how you sound right now. You don't even think about community splits and everything else this comes with.

This is a big problem for major leagues because we don't want to split leagues by banning assists. We want to have people of all skill levels be able to compete and TC ruins that by being faster. AOR had to ban assists when they ran on 2013 and this meant that casual people who wanted a good league and didn't have enough time to master no assists, couldn't race. If you wanna bring that argument here, then I can throw it back right at ya. 

Not once have no assist users ever wanted to deter assists users until assists became the faster way around. That's like rewarding someone more who used a calculator on a test and not the guy who worked out each problem seperately. He clearly worked harder so why isn't he the one being rewarded?

- a triggered individual 

Based on Codemasters silence on this matter it looks as though there will be no change.
Personally i don't care about Time-Trial nor online racing (with this game) so i dont give two hoots. For you this is a big deal yes, but your options seem limited to either dealing with it OR joining an no assists racing leauge.. having different traction control values for different game modes will likely cause more bugs, something no one wants either i guess..

And for the record this isn't a proper simulator, so non assist users like myself and everyone of you lot making noise in here would be a massive minority and heavily out numbered by the casual gamers that use this game as a casual pick up and play. I can't see any way in hell codies are going to change it.. hence the silence 

And also for the record i wouldn't want a casual "assist using" pad gamer in a racing leauge with highly skilled non assist using drivers anyway.. i would be taking those races very seriously with only very competent fellow pilots.

[Ryne 25]

marvinandroid85 said:

I think it's fair to downgrade the TC online -  but leave the single player alone. Everyone is free to enjoy the game however they want 

I agree too, but what's going to happen is that CM will cater to someone and it will mess up the game for someone else. People were already complaining before this patch that assists should be slower, and there will be a slight overreaction to correct it.

I'd rather they leave single player alone, but I don't think that will happen.