TOO MUCH advantage for players using TC

[SentryAlpha 0]

And also for the record i wouldn't want a casual "assist using" pad gamer in a racing leauge with highly skilled non assist using drivers anyway.. i would be talking those races very seriously with only very competent fellow pilots.

That "casual assist using pad gamer" used to be myself back in 2012 and 2013 in a mixed league with all skill levels (race department). Obviously the races were taken seriously and it was a way for all of us to compete at our own skill levels. Not everyone in a league is going to be as fast as each other. 

[marsal79 0]

SentryAlpha said:

marsal79 said:

To be faster without assist you need more practice... if you can drive 2 weeks after release faster without tc, than the game is trash! 
Practice practice practice and you will becomes fatser without tc/assisit, but not within 2 weeks! Ridiculous 

That's why TRL Limitless posted the comparison. Because he's been a beta tester and had 2 months extra practice with the game.

I was also beta for ps4, i think that it is most complicated to lear to drive without abs!

If you turn tc on, you have NO advantage-
But medium tc is overpowerder, yes!

[FRACTURED 30]

Assists also help "the wrong sort" to wipe out all the other players in turn 1 and still end up pointing the right way, helps them turn into an unassisted user who is trying to pass cleanly and always spin the unassisted user out with the game then rewarding them by handing the drive thru to the innocent guy who was smashed off.
The collective term for them is a "Murder of Assist Users". They occasionally roam in packs with the nominated winner having all his mates use their assists to assist with taking out the opposition if they get too close.

I think the easiest way to get around this is take all the assist users out the back and have them shot.

Based on notes regarding leaderboards from codies, I can't see them splitting or allowing a 'by assists' filter on the TT boards as it's already having problems loading the leaderboards without applying a filter too.

[dgeesi0 305]

reemember the game is pretty new.so while it may frustrate some who use no assists in a month or so you will get a lot more people with no assists climbing to the top of the pile.

6 months down the road the top half of the tables will be just no assist people who are fast every time.

its the learning period.assists is good for quick get in do a time in the long run you will be handicapping yourself.

no assists = faster.assists on = slower.

[bgAl 0]

Out of interest how many consider T cam as an assist? I certainly do as it allows a driver to see the apex better, yet I see some on youtube for example comparing TC off / TC on while in T cam.

The only reason I bring it up, is many will choose the path of least resistance (it's nature after all), It looks to me as ego is the biggest part of this argument, wanting to be the most skilled and quickest yet giving yourself an advantage too, seems common doesn't it?

[SentryAlpha 0]

dgeesi0 said:

reemember the game is pretty new.so while it may frustrate some who use no assists in a month or so you will get a lot more people with no assists climbing to the top of the pile.

6 months down the road the top half of the tables will be just no assist people who are fast every time.

its the learning period.assists is good for quick get in do a time in the long run you will be handicapping yourself.

no assists = faster.assists on = slower.

How can you be faster than someone who can break later with no risk of locking up?

With that included, better tire wear. Can't see a way around that. 

[Ryne 25]

I don't get better tire wear with assists on, I don't see that at all. Medium TC gives me a little more tire wear then with it off, when I use a wheel.

[dirt3joe 0]

SentryAlpha said:

dgeesi0 said:

reemember the game is pretty new.so while it may frustrate some who use no assists in a month or so you will get a lot more people with no assists climbing to the top of the pile.

6 months down the road the top half of the tables will be just no assist people who are fast every time.

its the learning period.assists is good for quick get in do a time in the long run you will be handicapping yourself.

no assists = faster.assists on = slower.

How can you be faster than someone who can break later with no risk of locking up?

With that included, better tire wear. Can't see a way around that. 

Because at the same time as implementing the ABS you also handicap the brakes so that the rate of reduction in speed is less. Or at least that's what I would do.

Anyway, back to traction control, after some time running laps with tc on and medium tc I come to a similar conclusion, that it would be very difficult or even impossible to match or improve on the medium tc times with no tc. I think they have made medium tc too powerful an assist - that's my opinion, but of course its a game designers choice. I doubt very much they will change it.

To get the balance right must be incredibly hard IMO, people on here have suggested ways round it that would be I think simple to implement in the future, like leaderboard filtering or a separate leaderboard for no assists would be my preference. That would be a lot easier (on everyone!) rather than the endless controversy over whether assists are easier or not.

I really do like the non traction control handling. It's a lot of fun and learning the throttle control takes a lot of skill. I think if you look at the sim racing boards in general sim racers seem to be quite positive about the game, so probably putting in separate leaderboards for no assists is a pretty small effort compared to some of the other things you might have to do to make that market happy.

[7thGearRL 8]

It was perfect on the beta, so I am not sure why they changed it.

We want it to be equal, but assists being two/three tenths faster like it is now is a ridiculous situation.

[marvinandroid85 3]

I repeat myself: there is no need to trouble those who play with TC on. If you're playing online, just play in no assists races only. Not  big deal. 

[Worntoathread 865]

marvinandroid85 said:

I repeat myself: there is no need to trouble those who play with TC on. If you're playing online, just play in no assists races only. Not  big deal. 

It is, because this is also causing assists to be banned from some leagues where they would otherwise have been allowed. Because of the TC advantage they can't be combined anymore with non assist users, so there's actually less opportunities for people who want to drive with TC on in a league as well. 

Assists vs no assists should be able to compete on a fairly equal level, neither should have a big advantage ( don't slow assist users down completely, but make make sure they're not ultimately and always quicker compared to no assists at the highest level so they're able to compete at least )

[vidiv007 0]

Look at it this way, Launch Control on a road car is proven to give a benefit (split second wise) when accelerating as it minimises wheel spin, just like TC does, so why is everyone so surprised that you can go marginally faster with TC in the game? The only time I turn off TC on my road car is when its late at night and I want to hoon around and let the back step out, otherwise no matter how many years experience I have driving I still use TC. 

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/computers-v-humans-launch-control-tested-feature-we-drop-the-hammer-page-2

[Stefjw 0]

marvinandroid85 said:

I repeat myself: there is no need to trouble those who play with TC on. If you're playing online, just play in no assists races only. Not  big deal. 

So because those of us that firstly, aren't big girls and secondly, aren't 10 years old its fine for us to be ostracized ?

If no assist users are forced to only race in no assist lobbys that means we're stuck racing with around 4 other people instead of 21. Does this sound fair to you ?

Surely expecting to join a public lobby and not be massively disadvantaged isn't too much to ask ?

Plus, being beaten by someone that's less skilled than yourself is a massive turn off and makes the game unrewarding and unappealing

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Stefjw said:

being beaten by someone that's less skilled than yourself is a massive turn off and makes the game unrewarding and unappealing

Poor Stig not even there to defend himself. 

[whitmarsh2 15]

Just give them some form of hidden amount of ballast. That would hurt tyre wear, traction and cornering speed as well as braking. By not using ABS, you have that ballast removed and the same for TC. Same for Auto Gears as well. 

Auto Gears is the only assist I don't use. 

[JP072 2]

Why dont give us a leaderboard where you have a "hardcore" leaderboard( no assist ) and the one that is there now.
sometimes i like timetrail but i want to see where iam in the world with a leaderboard that shows it how i play it, on the same difficulty.

[D4rio 40]

I did a little test by myself, mostly for the sake of curiosity.
Time trial in Bahrain, with the same car setup and TC set to medium it took me just 5 laps to get used to the assist and improve my BEST time (which cost me lots of efforts) by around half a second.
So yeah, there's definitely something very, very wrong here.

[MikeV27 19]

It's arguable that it's faster, but it definitely makes things a lot easier. So much easier in fact that I consider TC and ABS to be the equivalent of Aim Assist you find in games like Battlefield 4 and GTA5. It's all beneficial with no punishment.

At the very least they should add a separate leaderboard for people who want it more realistic. 

[coach83 0]

Codemasters, please reduce acceleration or grip or something when ppl use TC / ABS so they don't get an unfair advantage. It's so annoying.

[marvinandroid85 3]

I do not agree. This way you would only ruin the offline experience of those who use TC or any assist on. Leave them be and play online with people with assists off.

[SentryAlpha 0]

marvinandroid85 said:

I do not agree. This way you would only ruin the offline experience of those who use TC or any assist on. Leave them be and play online with people with assists off.

How does it guarantee ruining offline? I'm kinda curious on that. Different games had nerfed assists and people didn't complain that offline was ruined. I think your exaggeration is crazy.

Also you ask to not ruin your experience and to ruin ours instead like a hypocrate.

[TL77 3]

How is your experience ruined? I really don't understand this issue. You can see clearly who uses assists and who doesn't. Can you not ban assists for an online session?

[IIorwerth 0]

The TC and ABS aids work well for career mode and getting yourself ready for the right diffiuclty level. I started on  medium difficulty when getting to grips with the the game, with all the aids on. It didn't take long for me to be too fast, so I got rid of ABS and went to medium TC to slow me down a bit. I found it didinb't take long to still be too fast, so moved to expert difficulty, but found I was a bit slow there - caught in the gap! So I turned back TC to full and ABS on, and found that I was at the right pace. Now I am getting faster so will turn off ABS and go to medium TC to slow myself down a bit. Once I get too competitive with that set-up I aim to move to legendary with everything turned on again. So assists making you quicker has helped my a lot in balancing difficulty level.

So what I am trying to say in my long winded way is that the fact that these assists make you faster helps balance difficulty for those of us who play career mode and have to bridge the roughly 2 second gap between each difficult level (why difficulty levels couldn't be doubled and only have 1 second gaps between them i don't really understand!). So assists being faster is a time trial and multiplayer problem, not a single player problem, so the solution would be to have some reduction in assist value only in time trial and multiplayer games, not in career mode. I would also have thought that if you  make no assists faster than using assists you would just create the same problem in reverse i.e. those who use them would not be able to compete with those who do not. Another possibility for Time Trials would be to have a seperate Pro Time Trial Leader Board, where only laps driven without any aids are listed. That would be the leader board that the real bragging rights would come attached to I would imagine.

[Gav25182 0]

Woqrr said:

vidiv007 said:

As someone said in another post the other day, the whole point of TC is to make the car easier to drive by not spinning the tires so it follows logic that you can go faster. Personally I drive with no assists on a pad and am fine if people use aids to make the drive easier and hence are faster

Thanks god the Olimpics don't share your point of view 

His point of view is fact, simple as that. Get over it. If CM want assists to be slower, they have to do it through Brake and steering assist, because TC and ABS would make a car go faster and therefore be realistic.

Stop crying,

[Gav25182 0]

They could also separate the assist and non assist leader boards