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59th in the world around sochi on the TT leaderboard yet that's the 5th fastest no assists time in the world on PS4. Sums up the assists vs no assists debate in a nutshell really.

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VonBheers said:
Seems to me ABS and TC maken you quicker, like IRL! What do you know! F1 2016 is a sim anyway.....
But the cars are optimised to run neither ABS nor TC. 

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i run some assists there not op at all i go in racing lobbies with someone who doesnt even use them and we are pretty much equal and both play the same.

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I played around with med traction control and it allows players to just floor it and be on the gas way,way sooner in the middle of the corner. The way it does it thou isn't really giving much advantage because the rev will bog down or kind of freeze when they do it. It doesn't work like it give you traction yet still let the car gain speed with that traction because the revs bog down and in hair pins the revs will actually freeze and not gain speed until you out of the corner even if you have it floored. So the gain isn't by much. 

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Sorry to burst your bubble guys but assists are OP. Just look at the TT leaderboards. With ABS on you can put the brake pressure on 100% and brake at less than 80m on the back straight of china and gain 2 tenths in 1 braking zone. How is that not OP? How is that like in real life?  I keep seeing guys justify assists being quicker because they are supposedly quicker in real life but where is a real life example of this?

Assists on this game are to help people with less ability drive a car. Traction control hasn't magically been put on the car, its been applied to the controller inputs to help someone who is unable to do it without TC. Even if in real life it is quicker (which it is not), why should it be quicker on this game? Driving assists should come with a weight penalty to counteract the benefits of said assists.

As it stands, someone who races without TC and ABS are currently slower than someone who does, but not only that they assume all the risk. With ABS there is zero chance of locking up which dramatically improves tyre wear and you can brake all over the curbs without fear of not stopping. TC enabled means you can floor it mid corner even as the tyres degrade. In low grip situations such as on harder tyres, worn tyres or in the wet... TC is massively quicker than without it especially over a race distance.

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IRL assists these days are quicker than a human driver contrary to what everyone thinks. Just look at GT3 and the fact that TC was banned in f1. In the game however i believe they do a good job of assisting the player, well TC atleast anyway. I can barely use the medium option as i spin out so i put it on full. I sacrifice immediate bite for the grip but as the previous poster said, out fo slow corners you suffer as revs just bog down.

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Unfortunately this is the way it is, whilst the assists are strong they are not faster, you can achieve the same times with no assists, it's just harder. And during races you run a higher risk of spinning and have more tyre degradation than assist users. 

I suspect the leader boards are full of assist users because more people use them than not, similar to the pad vs wheel issues, people perceive the pad is quicker, I think there is just more people on pad. 

Anyway, until codemasters give no assists a clearer advantage, you'll always get more assist users than not. When you can reduce your risk and go just as quick, it's not surprising most people choose that route when there's no reward to turning them off. 

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Sorry to burst your bubble guys but assists are OP. Just look at the TT leaderboards. With ABS on you can put the brake pressure on 100% and brake at less than 80m on the back straight of china and gain 2 tenths in 1 braking zone. How is that not OP? How is that like in real life?  I keep seeing guys justify assists being quicker because they are supposedly quicker in real life but where is a real life example of this?

Assists on this game are to help people with less ability drive a car. Traction control hasn't magically been put on the car, its been applied to the controller inputs to help someone who is unable to do it without TC. Even if in real life it is quicker (which it is not), why should it be quicker on this game? Driving assists should come with a weight penalty to counteract the benefits of said assists.

As it stands, someone who races without TC and ABS are currently slower than someone who does, but not only that they assume all the risk. With ABS there is zero chance of locking up which dramatically improves tyre wear and you can brake all over the curbs without fear of not stopping. TC enabled means you can floor it mid corner even as the tyres degrade. In low grip situations such as on harder tyres, worn tyres or in the wet... TC is massively quicker than without it especially over a race distance.


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The assists are making drivers faster no doubt. The only balance I've found is play with mates on Realistic mode and put the faster guys in the slower cars.

One of my mates is very fast, but he has all the assists on. I joke with him he just needs the steering assist to come out and he's sorted!

It would help a lot if the breaking distances were the same though. As you say, with no ABS I'm breaking about 110-120m from the corner on China's back straight, so if they are gaining 30-40m's that's massive.

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the main issue iv noticed with the huge advantage TC and ABS has is mainly ABS thats the biggest gain...... TC not that much of an advantage, the harder the tyres the BIGGER advantage ABS users have FACT iv tested it out alot and ABS is a huge advanatge if your not finding an advantage its sad to say but your not all that good (sorry)

BUT ABS needs nurfing and defo no assists need to be faster 

@jennyannem @Britpoint another thread saying assists have an unfair advantage

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Numerous threads and complaints regarding this issue but ZERO response by anyone from Codemasters. Unbelievable. 

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Assists don't necessarily make you any faster but they do make you a lot more consistent, just like any other racing game.

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@incrediblebulk "Assists on this game are to help people with less ability drive a car. Traction control hasn't magically been put on the car, its been applied to the controller inputs to help someone who is unable to do it without TC. Even if in real life it is quicker (which it is not), why should it be quicker on this game? Driving assists should come with a weight penalty to counteract the benefits of said assists."  

im pretty sure its quicker with assists in real life with ABS on and TC, its a game in the end its about having fun on it not crying about being a tiny bit slower than other people because they play the game differently. 

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7thGearRL said:
Numerous threads and complaints regarding this issue but ZERO response by anyone from Codemasters. Unbelievable. 
i had a reply on twitter by jenny, the handling team are looking at it apparently 

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TCS/ABS/STS make a car faster in real life? Yeah for the average driver.

I'll end this now. "The Stig" turns off everything he can before a Top Gear test track run. 

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Theres a lot of assists users in denial here. I don't know a single regular non assists user who didn't end up going quicker turning ABS on and TC to medium within a couple of laps. With practice you could go even quicker without assists. Medium TC is too optimum, it gives you the best traction to grip ratio possible provided the driver doesn't take the piss on the throttle and with ABS on you can unrealistic brake pressure settings and get an unrealistic amount of stopping power. 80m with ABS on compared with 120m with ABS off on the back straight at china. That's 2 tenths in 1 corner. Keep believing the assists aren't OP guys.  :)

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VonBheers said:
Seems to me ABS and TC maken you quicker, like IRL! What do you know! F1 2016 is a sim anyway.....
But the cars are optimised to run neither ABS nor TC. 
Doesn't matter. If they had TC and ABS, they'd be quicker.

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I know this is going offtopic but wasn't the Benetton once using illegal TC which made them quicker?

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TL77 said:
I know this is going offtopic but wasn't the Benetton once using illegal TC which made them quicker?
Not sure if it was illegal, but nobody could match them when they had it.

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It is rediciouls how much faster assist people are against non assist people.. In my league i was one of maybe the 5 fastest drivers and now i am 1,5 seconds behind the fastest guys and they are driving with ABS and tc on medium and it is so UNBELIEVABLE how much better torgue they get out of for example the last corner in melbourne.. We with no assists have no change and the tyre wear is much heavier with no assists... Come on codemasters.. The same with controller.. We have 3 peoples wich can drive fast with controller and wheel and they say that on controller without tc you still have more traction than you have with wheel...We spand 100s pf bucks on a t300,t500,g29 wheels so we can drive sim and the result is that people with assists and controller are faster? 

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I never even got started about the wheel vs pad debate. Pad already has more traction than a wheel, some pad users in denial about that too but I have both and pad has more traction.

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VonBheers said:
For all them non-assist players.... Keep on practising because obvliously you haven't master the game yet...


You're just saying that when in reality you really don't know. You use assists so you're automatically biased against no-assists even when there's proper evidence. 

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