What happens when you max out the upgrades?

[Runalf 0]

Madmaz116 said:

Runalf said:

Madmaz116 said:

Runalf said:

Britpoint said:

The situation is - and I'm sure I've said this previously in another thread - that the upgrade system is what it is and there will not be any further changes. I'm sorry that's not the answer that you were hoping for, but at this point, 2 months after launch, we are not considering major changes to the design and functionality of the game.

Well, I hope the guy who is responsable for this mess gets an official warning or something. **** he f'cked up real bad... bye F1 2016. Hope 2017 will be worth the money. But im afraid it wont. 

Why will you not patch it? Why leave the game broken? I know you allready got our money but you can at least pretend you care. 

What a stupid comment. its not broken, its just not what most of the community want it to be. You have no idea what goes into coding to make a game, or even to change what people consider to be a small part of a game, and nor do I, but i can guess its not a "quick fix" situation. As he said it requires major changes , not a quick patch.

Hahaha. Career mode is not a small part of the game. 

Correct.. which is why they cant patch it at this stage, if you dont like it go play your 12 year old battlefield.

Lmao you really dont understand. 

You really think they can't patch it? Haha you are cute. If I were gay I would know who I would contact. :blush:

[Madmaz116 111]

Runalf said:

Madmaz116 said:

Runalf said:

Madmaz116 said:

Runalf said:

Britpoint said:

The situation is - and I'm sure I've said this previously in another thread - that the upgrade system is what it is and there will not be any further changes. I'm sorry that's not the answer that you were hoping for, but at this point, 2 months after launch, we are not considering major changes to the design and functionality of the game.

Well, I hope the guy who is responsable for this mess gets an official warning or something. **** he f'cked up real bad... bye F1 2016. Hope 2017 will be worth the money. But im afraid it wont. 

Why will you not patch it? Why leave the game broken? I know you allready got our money but you can at least pretend you care. 

What a stupid comment. its not broken, its just not what most of the community want it to be. You have no idea what goes into coding to make a game, or even to change what people consider to be a small part of a game, and nor do I, but i can guess its not a "quick fix" situation. As he said it requires major changes , not a quick patch.

Hahaha. Career mode is not a small part of the game. 

Correct.. which is why they cant patch it at this stage, if you dont like it go play your 12 year old battlefield.

Lmao you really dont understand. 

You really think they can't patch it? Haha you are cute. If I were gay I would know who I would contact. :blush:

I never said they couldnt patch it , i said at this stage they wernt going to do it as it involves major changes which they are not prepared to do right now. Lets not get personal.

[inspiretheworld 98]

It takes nearly a year to make a game like this from scratch. 50 hours a week 5-6 days a week. Say 10-15 staff members. Now career mode takes up what.... 50% of the game ? Now to change the career mode in regards of Rnd, you're looking at a lot of time to implement some of the things you lot are asking. Why would they bother to do that when they can update the new game that they are probable already working on. 

[Turtlemoose 75]

I haven't yet got to this stage (next race is USA season 2) however in another couple weeks I will probably be moaning about this.

1) Reset so you have 25 upgrades available again at the start of the new season but keep the order the same as the previous season. EG. Mclaren end season 1 as the fourth fastest car so they start season 2 as the fourth fastest car but with a fresh 25 upgrades. This for me is the best solution as it would mean the order would never (or very rarely) return to it's original order and it would give us something to think about in terms of what upgrades to get as we would never get all 25 in one season.

Easily the best and most simple option - same goes for your 4th comment too.

2) Fresh set of upgrades after you finish the original 25 but decrease the gains you get so that you don't get a guaranteed maxed bar for all teams by season 10.

As in create new upgrade names?

3) Massively increase the costs of the upgrades. This for me is the worst possible solution but one nonetheless.

In agreement - will get to a point where upgrades are so expensive that no team updates for a long period of the season.

[sjsharp2010 225]

Wynterdust said:

Well that's massively disappointing. I'm usually pretty defensive about the decision making but this one is just terrible. A great idea that's potential has only been half realised. Sorry but a lot of my motivation for playing just went away as fast as the R&D finishes. I see no point in playing my Mclaren career if I'm going to drop behind again after a couple of seasons and not being able to do anything about it. It will just be a waste of time. Maybe if you could set where each team starts in career it wouldn't be such a problem (Like swapping Ferrari and Mclaren around so Mclaren start 3rd and Ferrari 6th etc.) since at least even if we do restart we can get a little continuation but as it stands, no, no point in playing it. What a pity. It was almost a superb game.

yeah have to admit it's kind of taken some of the ambition I had of doing all 10 seasons out as well. It's one of the main reasons why I love playing RPG's like Mass Effect and Dragon Age because as you know you're playing stories and characters that are always evolving as you work through them and I was kind of hoping we were going  to get some of that in this game guess we were hoping too much.

[xtml 0]

Really hoping EA Sports gets the licence back now.

[Operator1 4]

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/224466/#Comment_224466
Sep. 18

Lozzy said:

Discussions are in progress and we'll get a proper response for you as soon as possible. Please be patient, there is always a lot going on so this might take a day or two to get all the relevant input put together and to write a response to cover all the issues raised about R&D and the upgrades.

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/231949/#Comment_231949
Oct. 21

Britpoint said:

The situation is - and I'm sure I've said this previously in another thread - that the upgrade system is what it is and there will not be any further changes. I'm sorry that's not the answer that you were hoping for, but at this point, 2 months after launch, we are not considering major changes to the design and functionality of the game.

At least now we have an approximate scale for how time works at CodeMasters:
"as soon as possible" & "a day or two" = a month+.

[sjsharp2010 225]

xtml said:

Really hoping EA Sports gets the licence back now.

depends on whether EA want it though. Whilst I think the game would look great I think on the Frostbite engine I'm not suer EA is all that interested

[cdrwmagnex 8]

2k sports is the best developer. They made the best sport game ever. Problem is they don't have experience in driving simulators

[Sev77 0]

Madmaz116 said:

What a stupid comment. its not broken, its just not what most of the community want it to be. You have no idea what goes into coding to make a game, or even to change what people consider to be a small part of a game, and nor do I, but i can guess its not a "quick fix" situation. As he said it requires major changes , not a quick patch.

You're joking right?

One of the proposals was simply to double the points cost of each upgrade, you surely understand that doing that involves nothing more than going to the one section of code where the upgrade costs are listed and replacing 25 numbers with 25 new bigger numbers.

It's bewildering that people will just swallow whatever they're told.

@Britpoint  @Lozzy your strategy of releasing something you knew falls woefully short of your advertising claims and then avoiding addressing your customers concerns for six weeks after they were first raised so you can turn around and effectively say "there's not enough time now to change it", when it's clear to anyone with the ability for independent thought that there's plenty time - you need 15 minutes at most to do something like double the upgrade costs - is appalling. I'll be sure to mention how you pick and choose which of your customers you respond to in my letter to the FIA.

[Tway 6]

I find this all horribly disappointing too. I was actually relieved to see @Runalf go at it again and again, taking the brunt of the flak for it, because I don't like to make a nuisance of myself, but did not want to just let them sweep this under the rug and pretend the problem didn't exist.

Being a career mode-only player I had skipped F1 2015, and now I wish I had skipped this one too.

[xtml 0]

Tway said:

I find this all horribly disappointing too. I was actually relieved to see @Runalf go at it again and again, taking the brunt of the flak for it, because I don't like to make a nuisance of myself, but did not want to just let them sweep this under the rug and pretend the problem didn't exist.

Being a career mode-only player I had skipped F1 2015, and now I wish I had skipped this one too.

Yeah really disappointing. I tried F12015 and skipped F12016 till it was clear if there was a decent careermode.

Well it is clear now there isn't and it wont's be fixed as expected.
Most worrying thing is they have clearly no idea how a careermode should be.

The idea of a careermode is to race under your own name with a team you want and be able to bring that team to the top. That is the basics of a careermode, but hey that isnot possible in F1 2016. If the couldn't figure this out there will never be a decent careermode.

Then if you can compete for a championship after a couple of seasons you want to challenge the top teams and big names. In F12016 you choose for example McLaren and after three seasons it seems you can be competing with Manor, because they develop faster than Mercedes and are at that moment faster than mercedes. That's ridiculous. In real life you can't be champion with a team like Manor or Toro Rosso but that is the fun of careermode. But you don't want to see that the whole field is completely different from reality. That should be realistic. You can vary the performance of the top teams during careermode but it is ridiculous to change the order completeley with Manor on top.

You simply should be able to bring a team to the top while te rest of the field keeps for my part the same order of performance, just your team get's closer to the top with the upgrades. That would already be a major improvement over this years mess.

Hoping someone lese will get the licence and if not let's hope they simply read in this forum what people want, than F1 2017 can be better.

[Sev77 0]

People like @Runalf or others who criticise a LOT or only ever criticise (like me) are doing it because they love the game. If we didn't we wouldn't give a damn and just leave it to gather dust somewhere. There's nothing wrong with my life balance, I'm complaining because it's a fantastic game but their efforts are completely overshadowed by this. It's just such a shame.

You'd think they'd want to try to keep those customers who really care rather than just dismiss them.

[sjsharp2010 225]

Sev77 said:

People like @Runalf or others who criticise a LOT or only ever criticise (like me) are doing it because they love the game. If we didn't we wouldn't give a damn and just leave it to gather dust somewhere. There's nothing wrong with my life balance, I'm complaining because it's a fantastic game but their efforts are completely overshadowed by this. It's just such a shame.

You'd think they'd want to try to keep those customers who really care rather than just dismiss them.

yeah it's just frustrating this time because they've com eso close to producing the perfect game It only really needs a couple of tweaks that can be easily achieved through patches to get there. I guess all we can do is hope someone produces a mod that corrects these short comings if CM is unwilling to. While it is possible it could happen I won't hold my breath for it though.

[Operator1 4]

Sev77 said:

People like @Runalf or others who criticise a LOT or only ever criticise (like me) are doing it because they love the game. If we didn't we wouldn't give a damn and just leave it to gather dust somewhere. There's nothing wrong with my life balance, I'm complaining because it's a fantastic game but their efforts are completely overshadowed by this. It's just such a shame.

You'd think they'd want to try to keep those customers who really care rather than just dismiss them.

Unfortunately, many (if not most) companies don't view people as "customers" - instead, we're just "sales figures." Getting people to purchase matters more than delivering something people like. The moment we hand over our money, we lose all our leverage. We have more leverage as prospects than we have as paying customers. As soon as they get our money, their job is done. It's when they're still trying to get our money that they're more incentivized & willing to compromise. The common difference between pre-release hype & interaction versus post-release distance & dismissal is a good indication of this type of "business practice."

[coolieboy 0]

Britpoint said:

The situation is - and I'm sure I've said this previously in another thread - that the upgrade system is what it is and there will not be any further changes. I'm sorry that's not the answer that you were hoping for, but at this point, 2 months after launch, we are not considering major changes to the design and functionality of the game.

I wouldn't consider rebalancing the r and d points system a " major" change to design and functionality but thanks for the response. I guess you guys can close this thread now.  

[Runalf 0]

coolieboy said:

Britpoint said:

The situation is - and I'm sure I've said this previously in another thread - that the upgrade system is what it is and there will not be any further changes. I'm sorry that's not the answer that you were hoping for, but at this point, 2 months after launch, we are not considering major changes to the design and functionality of the game.

I wouldn't consider rebalancing the r and d points system a " major" change to design and functionality but thanks for the response. I guess you guys can close this thread now.  

Yeah thread can be closed, its worthless now.

However, the game is also worthless, so this thread might be just perfect for this forum. 

[Ho3n3r 122]

Britpoint said:

The situation is - and I'm sure I've said this previously in another thread - that the upgrade system is what it is and there will not be any further changes. I'm sorry that's not the answer that you were hoping for, but at this point, 2 months after launch, we are not considering major changes to the design and functionality of the game.

Great. Another Codies game in the bin. Last time I took your word for anything. I won't ever consider buying anything from you guys again.

[Ho3n3r 122]

Sev77 said:

Madmaz116 said:

What a stupid comment. its not broken, its just not what most of the community want it to be. You have no idea what goes into coding to make a game, or even to change what people consider to be a small part of a game, and nor do I, but i can guess its not a "quick fix" situation. As he said it requires major changes , not a quick patch.

You're joking right?

One of the proposals was simply to double the points cost of each upgrade, you surely understand that doing that involves nothing more than going to the one section of code where the upgrade costs are listed and replacing 25 numbers with 25 new bigger numbers.

It's bewildering that people will just swallow whatever they're told.

@Britpoint  @Lozzy your strategy of releasing something you knew falls woefully short of your advertising claims and then avoiding addressing your customers concerns for six weeks after they were first raised so you can turn around and effectively say "there's not enough time now to change it", when it's clear to anyone with the ability for independent thought that there's plenty time - you need 15 minutes at most to do something like double the upgrade costs - is appalling. I'll be sure to mention how you pick and choose which of your customers you respond to in my letter to the FIA.

Nailed it. This response from @Britpoint is a clear insult to their customers' intelligence. They think we're numb-minded.

[Lozzy 0]

There are clearly lessons we can learn from this and you'll have to decide if we've done that in the future but unfortunately this is not something we can change for 2016. If there was a quick fix we would have made it by now but suggestions like just double the points required to buy an upgrade while simple would just mean players at the other end of the scale who don't max the points every weekend simply get left behind or frustrated that they only get a couple of upgrades in a season.

I'm going to close this thread now because I don't see what else there is to discuss and it's descending in to the kind of depths that bring out the trolls.