What happens when you max out the upgrades?

[PJTierney 4,908]

I'm probably in the minority on this forum but I like the current upgrade system and the rate at which new upgrades are unlocked.

I get that the more dedicated players want to stick with one team for 10 seasons, but personally, I don't see myself playing more than 2, and I'm sure there are many people out there that are in a similar boat (or have less time to play games in general).

[WestHam66 56]

Upgrades should reset once the new season has begun and there should still be a bonus for ceasing development early.

I also think that once development has stopped, you should be able to upgrade next years car. This would mean that the R&D system would work much in the same way as it does for real, where teams sacrifice short term gains for long term success.

[AdamFreeman 224]

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

[SASColfer 56]

AdamFreeman said:

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

I think the main reason people are unhappy is that it all reverts to 2016 by season 5 so no you won't be competitive with a manor after that. 

And im sure I remember it being said you that can take any team to the top before the sale of the game, and as it stands.. you can't. 

[WestHam66 56]

AdamFreeman said:

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

How did you turn off bonus?

[UNRECOMMENDABLE_ 0]

@Britpoint @Lozzy will codemasters look into changing R&D AFTER you finish a season 3/4 thru season 2 and I'm nearly maxed out its a bit silly and for a 10 year career a bit to easy tbh it's a fantastic game but needs tweaking URGENTLY 

[AdamFreeman 224]

WestHam66 said:

AdamFreeman said:

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

How did you turn off bonus?

I uninstalled dlc and it took effect the race after 

[MachSpeed 0]

AdamFreeman said:

WestHam66 said:

AdamFreeman said:

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

How did you turn off bonus?

I uninstalled dlc and it took effect the race after 

Are you on Xbox or PS4? 

[pijin 49]

Maybe they could clear the upgrades and scale the lines back every season. That way upgrades in successive seasons will have less of an effect which is realistic as performance converges, the relative performance gains are pretty small.

[JJRosso 0]

Should have been 50 upgrades instead of 25 getting more expensive until you needed a great amount of points to get the final few upgrades. Those last few upgrades would then come in season 9/10. The AI teams should just upgrade at a similar rate but random so the order changes each season, similar to how we have it now but they dont get the last few upgrades only the player that way we always have a goal whichever team we are in and can get our team to the top

[WestHam66 56]

AdamFreeman said:

WestHam66 said:

AdamFreeman said:

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

How did you turn off bonus?

I uninstalled dlc and it took effect the race after 

Oh I meant the R&D bonus

[Runalf 0]

I hope codemasters is reading this discussion.... and I hope they let us know something. There are some great ideas... 

[DarkRedslayer 43]

I completely disagree with having them reset after every season. I think it's funny people say they are pointless otherwise, but there's literally nothing more pointless than R&D that just disappears after the years up. Might as well just play championship season at that point. What should happen on the other hand, is at the end of every 3rd season, reduce all teams R&D together, and randomize the loss a bit, to simulate rule changes in the sport effecting teams. Some teams would be effected more than others, but it would mean your R&D still matters, since if you've put it way up, you have a better chance of still being better off after the drop.

If it's going to reset after every single season to exactly what it was before the season even started, then they may as well remove R&D from the game.

[Runalf 0]

DarkRedslayer said:

I completely disagree with having them reset after every season. I think it's funny people say they are pointless otherwise, but there's literally nothing more pointless than R&D that just disappears after the years up. Might as well just play championship season at that point. What should happen on the other hand, is at the end of every 3rd season, reduce all teams R&D together, and randomize the loss a bit, to simulate rule changes in the sport effecting teams. Some teams would be effected more than others, but it would mean your R&D still matters, since if you've put it way up, you have a better chance of still being better off after the drop.

If it's going to reset after every single season to exactly what it was before the season even started, then they may as well remove R&D from the game.

You dont understand... 

With resetting the R&D we do not mean deleting R&D. Like in real life... you think Ferrari does only 5 downforce upgrades in 10 year? 

No they dont... they keep researching en developing. 

With resetting the R&D we mean that you can buy 25 upgrades again every season. 

For example: 

You finish your 3rd season with 17 of 25 upgrades made. Your car is on the second place in the R&D bars. 

They 4th season you will start as 2nd best team and with all upgrades open again. So you will have to keep pushing with the R&D to be the best. 

How can you be against this idea? 

You prefer doing like 3 seasons and when your car is maxxed out you cant do anything anymore.. ? 

@DarkRedslayer

[jammie360 0]

The upgrades get more expensive so upgrade rat slows

[DarkRedslayer 43]

Runalf said:

DarkRedslayer said:

I completely disagree with having them reset after every season. I think it's funny people say they are pointless otherwise, but there's literally nothing more pointless than R&D that just disappears after the years up. Might as well just play championship season at that point. What should happen on the other hand, is at the end of every 3rd season, reduce all teams R&D together, and randomize the loss a bit, to simulate rule changes in the sport effecting teams. Some teams would be effected more than others, but it would mean your R&D still matters, since if you've put it way up, you have a better chance of still being better off after the drop.

If it's going to reset after every single season to exactly what it was before the season even started, then they may as well remove R&D from the game.

You dont understand... 

With resetting the R&D we do not mean deleting R&D. Like in real life... you think Ferrari does only 5 downforce upgrades in 10 year? 

No they dont... they keep researching en developing. 

With resetting the R&D we mean that you can buy 25 upgrades again every season. 

For example: 

You finish your 3rd season with 17 of 25 upgrades made. Your car is on the second place in the R&D bars. 

They 4th season you will start as 2nd best team and with all upgrades open again. So you will have to keep pushing with the R&D to be the best. 

How can you be against this idea? 

You prefer doing like 3 seasons and when your car is maxxed out you cant do anything anymore.. ? 

@DarkRedslayer

So diminishing returns? I suppose that would work.

Also your last two sentences were irrelevant based solely on the fact that you already knew I thought you all wanted to reset R&D as you've all been saying, instead of starting new R&D paths.

[WestHam66 56]

WestHam66 said:

AdamFreeman said:

WestHam66 said:

AdamFreeman said:

Certain cars have certain strengths and weaknesses though, reseting and swapping the cars depending on positions would surely mess up cars strangths, Williams slippey, red bull chassis and what not.

I personally think the current system is fine, a team like Manor will very unlikely ever get to the top but you can get very competitive with them :) I have turned the bonus off and the practice graphics to make it much harder to get points. For this year its a massive improvement on before, I'm sure in the next game it can be refined, and to be fair they are looking into it so we shall see.

How did you turn off bonus?

I uninstalled dlc and it took effect the race after 

Oh I meant the R&D bonus after ceasing dev

[DauntingConch 0]

Maybe rather than resetting the R&D at the end of the season it would be good of more R&D options unlocked at the beginning of each season, so the tree gets bigger rather than just having the same upgrade options each season. 

[Runalf 0]

DauntingConch said:

Maybe rather than resetting the R&D at the end of the season it would be good of more R&D options unlocked at the beginning of each season, so the tree gets bigger rather than just having the same upgrade options each season. 

Also a possibility. But its not weird in F1 to upgrade some parts more then 1 time. 

[DauntingConch 0]

Runalf said:

DauntingConch said:

Maybe rather than resetting the R&D at the end of the season it would be good of more R&D options unlocked at the beginning of each season, so the tree gets bigger rather than just having the same upgrade options each season. 

Also a possibility. But its not weird in F1 to upgrade some parts more then 1 time. 

I agree, it's just an idea to keep the interest goimg rather than seeing the same upgrade options for 10 seasons. 

[Mitchell49 0]

No response from anyone at Codemasters... @jennyannem @Lozzy @Hoo @Britpoint

[Runalf 0]

Mitchell49 said:

No response from anyone at Codemasters... @jennyannem @Lozzy @Hoo @Britpoint

Lozzy gave a reaction once. But I really dont know whats happening now. 

Can you give us an update codemasters? I have got my career on hold now and im waitinf what will happen.... 

[aaron685 1]

Still can't understand this. Surely Codies would have known people would play through 10 seasons of career. Has anyone made it past 3 seasons? Does the order really go back to the original 2016 order when everyone upgrades? 

[Runalf 0]

aaron685 said:

Still can't understand this. Surely Codies would have known people would play through 10 seasons of career. Has anyone made it past 3 seasons? Does the order really go back to the original 2016 order when everyone upgrades? 

When everybody is maxxed out in a few seasons you have the same order as in the beginning.

[aaron685 1]

Runalf said:

aaron685 said:

Still can't understand this. Surely Codies would have known people would play through 10 seasons of career. Has anyone made it past 3 seasons? Does the order really go back to the original 2016 order when everyone upgrades? 

When everybody is maxxed out in a few seasons you have the same order as in the beginning.

Yeah that's what I don't understand. As I said Codies surely knew that some people would play the full 10 seasons, so why have they done it so the order goes back to what it was at the start of career. I  thought intially the upgrades would be really difficult to get, and that when you get them all that it resets and you get another 25 upgrades to try to get.