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PS4 Controller sound to headphones

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How do we get the controller speaker sounds (engineer) to play over a headset plugged into the controller.

I can specify all the sound to come through the headset, or all of the sound to come through the tv sound system.

But the only other option seems to be to put the headphones on 'chat'.   In that mode, the engineer still comes through the handset.

where is the option to get both chat and the engineer through the headset and the the rest of the sounds on the tv sound system?

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