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Hello everybody from Germany. Since F1 2010 now i play in F1 Leagues with the Thrustmaster T0500 Wheel. 
Since last Year i get more and more the impression that Pad-Drivers became a better Drivingphysics than Wheel-Driver. With F1 2016 its nearly impossible to beat Pad-Driver who were not able to beat me before. Are there other Wheel-Drivers who made that experiance too? Thanks a lot.

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I dont know what you want to say exactly. But I dont care really about. If you dont have any Information about this Issue...then please just shut up

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Pads have hidden assists, therefore are faster. Same as 2014 and to a lesser extent 2015.
I use both a wheel and pad and I feel no difference in breaking or accelerating to be honest. It more eqaully relates to my lack of skill on a wheel however I still follow all the same reference points for breaking at least as I do on  pad on a wheel.Turn in is slightly different cause ofc i'm on a wheel. But can you prove to me of these hidden assits?

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I'm faster with my wheel! I used every Year a Wheel only in 2015...2015 I had to play with my Controller. I'm playing without any assists and with Manual Shifting. Manual Shifting brings you so much time

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Hadyn said:
Pads have hidden assists, therefore are faster. Same as 2014 and to a lesser extent 2015.
I use both a wheel and pad and I feel no difference in breaking or accelerating to be honest. It more eqaully relates to my lack of skill on a wheel however I still follow all the same reference points for breaking at least as I do on  pad on a wheel.Turn in is slightly different cause ofc i'm on a wheel. But can you prove to me of these hidden assits?
https://youtu.be/siAivk9LWeA

This is just an example of braking between the pad and wheel. Which shows that pad has a hidden assist with brakes. 

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It might be easier to control with the pad because you can feel when the brakes are locking up.  I've heard the same thing with acceleration.  

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Pad have the wheel lock issue though.  It's most noticeable at Monaco.

i can't say one is faster than another.  It's all what your used to.  

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Thanks for your Comments Guys.
Well how I said. In Our League the two best Paddrivers who i am fighting for years now, set laptimes which i even not can think about. Especially in Qualy. This was not like this before. In Race its a little better. There the dominance is less. For me thats a proof, too, Because its not possible that in 2 Week (F1 2015 to F1 2016) the suddenly found 1 Second per Lap on every Track.

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Utter nonsense that is all I have to say about that.
No it isnt. This are facts! Thousands and Thousands of Hours in the last Years i spent time on track with my Wheel and with pad. And when I recognize that things changed, that isnt nonsense so just shut up please

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Maybe but one maybe the pad has an advantage over one lap pace, but it during the race the wheel definetly has still a little bit better tyre wear. 

I feel that those effects , if they are even present, are marginal and it is the most equal  since F1 2013 in terms of wheel vs pad.

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Jakob85 said:
Thanks for your Comments Guys.
Well how I said. In Our League the two best Paddrivers who i am fighting for years now, set laptimes which i even not can think about. Especially in Qualy. This was not like this before. In Race its a little better. There the dominance is less. For me thats a proof, too, Because its not possible that in 2 Week (F1 2015 to F1 2016) the suddenly found 1 Second per Lap on every Track.
I don't think that's proof that there are different driving physics of the cars depending on if you use a wheel or pad.  I think it just  proves that you can get faster times using a pad than a wheel and I think it's because inputs from your hands and fingers are potentially quicker than with a wheel and pedals.  

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Definitely to make a turn with a pad you move the stick with just the muscles of your finger within 1 cm distance, while with a wheel a whole lot of muscles of both hands and a greater travel distance are needed like more then 20 cm.
And some kids these days are born with a pad in the hands.

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yogajitsu said:
Let's just ask what TRL Button and TRL Limitless uses.  any bets?  I guess pad.
I'm guessing yes, because using his setup with a wheel I can't get to within 4 seconds of his times using my Fanatec Gear.
Have been doing laps of Suzuka recently (a track I know very well) and maybe just maybe I'll get down to the 1.36s while in real life we will see times getting close to 1.30 and TRL also doing it in 1.32. Watching his video and where he calls out breaking points are impossible for me to take. Just far too late.

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Its on every track  1s or 2.5 s the pad driver faster...in Japan with low Hard Brake Points it is possible to make a 1.33:xxx but never a low 1:32
On other tracks with more Brake Points its impossible to beat the Pad drivers (TRL) they can brake so late and still coming out of corners..that means laptimes every corners 0.3s

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Dschinn said:
Its on every track  1s or 2.5 s the pad driver faster...in Japan with low Hard Brake Points it is possible to make a 1.33:xxx but never a low 1:32
On other tracks with more Brake Points its impossible to beat the Pad drivers (TRL) they can brake so late and still coming out of corners..that means laptimes every corners 0.3s
Sorry but this is simply wrong. Guys like TyranoTigger, Dizzy Cupid or seriyariu are on wheel and equally as fast , if not faster then the TRL boys and if i am not mistaken all AOR tier one winners in Australia on all platforms were on the Wheel. 

As i said in my previous post: Maybe some drivers can run crazy setups on the pad, but in a race situation they will shred the tyres within four corners. Instead of looking at the broken leaderboards as assists are way OP and with questionable track limits, i'd look on how the best wheel players perform against the best pad players in a race situation and from my experience they much closer this year as they were on 2014 and 2015 (hybrid era games)

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Sorry but this is simply wrong. Guys like TyranoTigger, Dizzy Cupid or seriyariu are on wheel and equally as fast , if not faster then the TRL boys and if i am not mistaken all AOR tier one winners in Australia on all platforms were on the Wheel. 

As i said in my previous post: Maybe some drivers can run crazy setups on the pad, but in a race situation they will shred the tyres within four corners. Instead of looking at the broken leaderboards as assists are way OP and with questionable track limits, i'd look on how the best wheel players perform against the best pad players in a race situation and from my experience they much closer this year as they were on 2014 and 2015 (hybrid era games)
The two guys on top of leaderboards, all the time, are the trl guys.  So in a race setting why wouldn't they be able to use a more conservative setup and beat the wheel guys using the same conservative setup?

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Ok I'm looking at dizzy on COA and he is 3rd, behind button and Vip Albi (wonder what he uses) but ahead of Limitless.  To me that does make them all pretty much equal. So there's the answer to which one is faster.  
In regards to setup, they all look extreme to me and can't be good for the tires.  

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You all forget one thing. It is not about the Difference between Pad and Wheel in general. Its about that exactly this Issue changed extremly since last Year. In F1 2013 with Wheel and without any driving-assists, I was able to drive faster than everyone. This Time definetly is over. THATS THE PROBLEM. Nothing else. That it is not possible anymore. And Guys... sorry but I am pretty fast and I know what I am talking about. 
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I didn't comment on this yet cuz I thought it was ridiculous. There seems to be people answering so I'll help out; It's clear that at the top the wheels have an advantage and even then the wheels are complaining.

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Redna1L said:
yogajitsu said:
Let's just ask what TRL Button and TRL Limitless uses.  any bets?  I guess pad.
I'm guessing yes, because using his setup with a wheel I can't get to within 4 seconds of his times using my Fanatec Gear.
Have been doing laps of Suzuka recently (a track I know very well) and maybe just maybe I'll get down to the 1.36s while in real life we will see times getting close to 1.30 and TRL also doing it in 1.32. Watching his video and where he calls out breaking points are impossible for me to take. Just far too late.
LOL i used his Setup sometimes with a wheel to test and tweaked it a bit, but 4 seconds?? 
No not really. 5-8 tenths per lap maybe but NOT 4 :D 
and i'm on a T500 wheel and doesn't have the same level of skill :) 
i think my speed is good and i could get into split one of the AOR (when i feel the need to:P ) 

On thursday i set a 36,0 with the McLaren in Suzuka and i'm sure that i can easily get to a 35,6 with some more laps. 

See here
https://youtu.be/1No2H7fYa0s

But i think the problem here has the pad in his hand or sits behind the wheel. 
You really need to get used to the handling to go faster! Slow in, fast out. 

@Jakob85 which times on which tracks can you set? Maybe you should improve yourself instead of blaming the physics here

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