Sim Racing = Cockpit View

[Kebaba4Life 0]

It's impossible for me to drive fast in T-cam, it's very difficult to turn into corners. The cockpit camera is much better!

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F1randokalbus22 said

     

I've got one private video from my Yt channel,but I haven't published it and no one else expect me haven't see it so https://youtu.be/5L7-3eVsCBk

 At the moment not having room for a wheel and using a controller has led to me playing the game with a extra large linarty setting on controlls. A extra low FOV, and the seat all the way forward with the mclaren. The force india steering wheel is alittle to big to do it. What is allowing me to do that is i have learned to use my right thumb stick as look to apex.  Pretty fun but hard with also changing gears with my right thumb also.

[tone1492 0]

I've always felt the biggest assist in the game is racing from the TV Pod. I race on Master (Legend at some circuits) from the cockpit. I even adjust the vertical cam in order to get that 'only see the top of the tires" view. TV pod pretty much eliminates the challenge of blind corners and makes it easier to judge corner entry and exit. It is a huge assist. No offense to anyone but it is what it is. 

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kevinkirk said:

F1randokalbus22 said

     

I've got one private video from my Yt channel,but I haven't published it and no one else expect me haven't see it so https://youtu.be/5L7-3eVsCBk

 At the moment not having room for a wheel and using a controller has led to me playing the game with a extra large linarty setting on controlls. A extra low FOV, and the seat all the way forward with the mclaren. The force india steering wheel is alittle to big to do it. What is allowing me to do that is i have learned to use my right thumb stick as look to apex.  Pretty fun but hard with also changing gears with my right thumb also.

Sorry for the double post, but if you are on PC there is a great mod at race department that has two separate look to apex options. One is look to apex with head tilt and the other is without head tilt. I'm using the head tilt version and absolutely loving it. 

Link if you want to check it out http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/cameras-and-track-improvements.126989/

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tone1492 said:

kevinkirk said:

F1randokalbus22 said

     

I've got one private video from my Yt channel,but I haven't published it and no one else expect me haven't see it so https://youtu.be/5L7-3eVsCBk

 At the moment not having room for a wheel and using a controller has led to me playing the game with a extra large linarty setting on controlls. A extra low FOV, and the seat all the way forward with the mclaren. The force india steering wheel is alittle to big to do it. What is allowing me to do that is i have learned to use my right thumb stick as look to apex.  Pretty fun but hard with also changing gears with my right thumb also.

Sorry for the double post, but if you are on PC there is a great mod at race department that has two separate look to apex options. One is look to apex with head tilt and the other is without head tilt. I'm using the head tilt version and absolutely loving it. 

Link if you want to check it out http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/cameras-and-track-improvements.126989/

Im on xbox, 

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tone1492 said:

I've always felt the biggest assist in the game is racing from the TV Pod. I race on Master (Legend at some circuits) from the cockpit. I even adjust the vertical cam in order to get that 'only see the top of the tires" view. TV pod pretty much eliminates the challenge of blind corners and makes it easier to judge corner entry and exit. It is a huge assist. No offense to anyone but it is what it is. 

Tcam allows the driver to see the apex and curb right up until the moment his tire touches it. Your not suppose to see that. You suppose to need to guess or feel were the apex and curb is becuase you loose sight off it the closer you get to it. It even gives you a weird but cool feeling when you not exactly sure your placment on the track is when cresting over a hill. That's the fun and characteristics of most tracks that in tcam you dont even notice

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kevinkirk said:

tone1492 said:

I've always felt the biggest assist in the game is racing from the TV Pod. I race on Master (Legend at some circuits) from the cockpit. I even adjust the vertical cam in order to get that 'only see the top of the tires" view. TV pod pretty much eliminates the challenge of blind corners and makes it easier to judge corner entry and exit. It is a huge assist. No offense to anyone but it is what it is. 

Tcam allows the driver to see the apex and curb right up until the moment his tire touches it. Your not suppose to see that. You suppose to need to guess or feel were the apex and curb is becuase you loose sight off it the closer you get to it. It even gives you a weird but cool feeling when you not exactly sure your placment on the track is when cresting over a hill. That's the fun and characteristics of most tracks that in tcam you dont even notice

Exactly right

[yogajitsu 0]

People use wheels because they say it is more sim and then you see their driving view and they are hovering about 20 feet behind the car when driving it.  

[kevinkirk 35]

 as long as they are enjoying the game i guess. Just for so many years i have longed for cockpit view adjustment on consoles for racing games and now I am going to enjoy them now that we have them.   

[AeronSloan 0]

It would seem self evident all racing sims should have the ability to remove the driver hands and wheel to bring the game from children's arcade view to something more realistic.

[AdamFreeman 224]

I have raced in cockpit and T-cam so far on this game, what puts me off cockpit cam on this game is the AI you can't see them as much when they are side by side and I don't trust them cause they like to bash you.

While T-cam is less realistic I seem to beable to react to the AIs bumpy cars tactics better.

[Zviko 26]

AdamFreeman said:

I have raced in cockpit and T-cam so far on this game, what puts me off cockpit cam on this game is the AI you can't see them as much when they are side by side and I don't trust them cause they like to bash you.

While T-cam is less realistic I seem to beable to react to the AIs bumpy cars tactics better.

I think all real drivers wish to say/do that as well....well guess what, they cant.

[Foreverchamps 1]

I don't see why seeing the apex should be an issue, it is very easy to get a feel for the width of the car and you can still see the apex before you turn in - you just have to drive with like a real racing driver would have to.

The best part of driving in cockpit view for me is that you cannot see the front wing at all, so driving very close to drivers in front is a very good skill to master.

I would like it if they had an option for 'Cockpit view only' races, because that would mean that you could race against others knowing they are in the same, more realistic position.

[dwin20 82]

@Foreverchamps - A lot of good points!
Here is a quick video from inside a Mercedes 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEb74YYolBY
What I can't tell is where the camera is - if it is on top of the helmet - then the view should be slightly lower.

Here is also a description by Rosberg of his driving position and he notes that sometimes visibility can be a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsvWnGgT7Ok

[AdamFreeman 224]

Zviko said:

AdamFreeman said:

I have raced in cockpit and T-cam so far on this game, what puts me off cockpit cam on this game is the AI you can't see them as much when they are side by side and I don't trust them cause they like to bash you.

While T-cam is less realistic I seem to beable to react to the AIs bumpy cars tactics better.

I think all real drivers wish to say/do that as well....well guess what, they cant.

Ive race in cockpit view on project cars and assetto corsa cause i dont get rammed like i do in this game.
I much prefer cockpit view!

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dwin20 said:

@Foreverchamps - A lot of good points!
Here is a quick video from inside a Mercedes 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEb74YYolBY
What I can't tell is where the camera is - if it is on top of the helmet - then the view should be slightly lower.

Here is also a description by Rosberg of his driving position and he notes that sometimes visibility can be a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsvWnGgT7Ok

You're right the cam is too high on this video and FoV is too large (kind of fish eye cam).
Here are two videos that seem closer to a cockpit view.
https://youtu.be/6G9VJ_UNKWQ
https://youtu.be/rbVIuGnMXZs

This video is also helpful to understand FoV:
https://youtu.be/4yYeiAHsdr0

Personally, I use these cockpit view settings on 40 inch screen at 1 meter from the screen:
FOV: -40
Horizontal Offset: 30
Vertical Offset: -50
Angle: 90

Hope it helps!

PS: Sorry, I don't know how to embed video in a post :-)

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adMilsano said:

dwin20 said:

@Foreverchamps - A lot of good points!
Here is a quick video from inside a Mercedes 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEb74YYolBY
What I can't tell is where the camera is - if it is on top of the helmet - then the view should be slightly lower.

Here is also a description by Rosberg of his driving position and he notes that sometimes visibility can be a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsvWnGgT7Ok

You're right the cam is too high on this video and FoV is too large (kind of fish eye cam).
Here are two videos that seem closer to a cockpit view.
https://youtu.be/6G9VJ_UNKWQ
https://youtu.be/rbVIuGnMXZs

This video is also helpful to understand FoV:
https://youtu.be/4yYeiAHsdr0

Personally, I use these cockpit view settings on 40 inch screen at 1 meter from the screen:
FOV: -40
Horizontal Offset: 30
Vertical Offset: -50
Angle: 90

Hope it helps!

PS: Sorry, I don't know how to embed video in a post :-)

Thank you for this- I recently got a new wheel and TV and these settings are perfect!

[dwin20 82]

adMilsano said:

dwin20 said:

@Foreverchamps - A lot of good points!
Here is a quick video from inside a Mercedes 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEb74YYolBY
What I can't tell is where the camera is - if it is on top of the helmet - then the view should be slightly lower.

Here is also a description by Rosberg of his driving position and he notes that sometimes visibility can be a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsvWnGgT7Ok

You're right the cam is too high on this video and FoV is too large (kind of fish eye cam).
Here are two videos that seem closer to a cockpit view.
https://youtu.be/6G9VJ_UNKWQ
https://youtu.be/rbVIuGnMXZs

This video is also helpful to understand FoV:
https://youtu.be/4yYeiAHsdr0

Personally, I use these cockpit view settings on 40 inch screen at 1 meter from the screen:
FOV: -40
Horizontal Offset: 30
Vertical Offset: -50
Angle: 90

Hope it helps!

PS: Sorry, I don't know how to embed video in a post :-)

@adMilsano 
Thanks for those video links - really interesting and helpful!

[Epimolophant 0]

The thing is, when racing for real you can see 180 degrees around you, you can quickly move your eyes or even tilt your head to see even more. You can see depth in 3D. You can feel the chassis vibrating with the tyres and the ground. You hear in more detail what surrounds you. You have a much greater and precise feel of spatial dimensions, speed, and what your car can/can't do. The situational awareness is at least 10 times greater on a real vehicle compared to sitting on a stationary chair viewing through a monitor. It simulates, at best, the feeling of piloting a remote controlled car with a camera.

Having all that in mind, using a camera with a higher point of view compensates a little bit. That is why I don't consider it "cheating" or losing realism in any way.

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Epimolophant said:

The thing is, when racing for real you can see 180 degrees around you, you can quickly move your eyes or even tilt your head to see even more. You can see depth in 3D. You can feel the chassis vibrating with the tyres and the ground. You hear in more detail what surrounds you. You have a much greater and precise feel of spatial dimensions, speed, and what your car can/can't do. The situational awareness is at least 10 times greater on a real vehicle compared to sitting on a stationary chair viewing through a monitor. It simulates, at best, the feeling of piloting a remote controlled car with a camera.

Having all that in mind, using a camera with a higher point of view compensates a little bit. That is why I don't consider it "cheating" or losing realism in any way.

yogajitsu said:

People use wheels because they say it is more sim and then you see their driving view and they are hovering about 20 feet behind the car when driving it.  

  My opinion on that is sure you don't get as much side vision in cockpit view but the vision you are missing are just things you see in you side vision. The stands and so on as I go past then. I say that because when I drive a car I don't even notice things I can see thur my side windows unless they are ahead of me because I'm looking forward. Your still seeing the track and everything needed to drive they car. You shouldn't be able to see the car beside you anyway. What your missing doesn't have much to do with driving the car.

[Mulder71 0]

It's all about what you want out of the game. I like to get as close as possible to the real thing, so i have a playseat challenge, a T300 and of course i drive cockpit view and damage set to simulation.
If however my goal is to be as fast as possible  i would probably go for T cam or maybe even 3rd person view. 

But i enjoy the cockpit view far more.
I find the view restricted but enough to realise if there is a car next to you and where you should leave space.
Like here, https://youtu.be/InAU0e6Lw1M?t=50s

[marsal79 0]

Epimolophant said:

The thing is, when racing for real you can see 180 degrees around you, you can quickly move your eyes or even tilt your head to see even more. You can see depth in 3D. You can feel the chassis vibrating with the tyres and the ground. You hear in more detail what surrounds you. You have a much greater and precise feel of spatial dimensions, speed, and what your car can/can't do. The situational awareness is at least 10 times greater on a real vehicle compared to sitting on a stationary chair viewing through a monitor. It simulates, at best, the feeling of piloting a remote controlled car with a camera.

Having all that in mind, using a camera with a higher point of view compensates a little bit. That is why I don't consider it "cheating" or losing realism in any way.

Correct! Adult persons se 200° or more.. its like you said.. reallity its easeri to have good overview..

[AdamFreeman 224]

Tbf you can look sidewards and backwards and we have mirrors :)

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marsal79 said:

Epimolophant said:

The thing is, when racing for real you can see 180 degrees around you, you can quickly move your eyes or even tilt your head to see even more. You can see depth in 3D. You can feel the chassis vibrating with the tyres and the ground. You hear in more detail what surrounds you. You have a much greater and precise feel of spatial dimensions, speed, and what your car can/can't do. The situational awareness is at least 10 times greater on a real vehicle compared to sitting on a stationary chair viewing through a monitor. It simulates, at best, the feeling of piloting a remote controlled car with a camera.

Having all that in mind, using a camera with a higher point of view compensates a little bit. That is why I don't consider it "cheating" or losing realism in any way.

Correct! Adult persons se 200° or more.. its like you said.. reallity its easeri to have good overview..

the things your missing in your view isn't things that help you drive. Your just not seeing things like the stands or what ever as you pass them. Things that you probally wouldn't even notice if your focused on driving. As far as this years F1 car, it was discussed that with the bigger tires ( the tires were on a gp2 car that was used to test them during the Monaco weekend, the driver was martin brundle I think it was), Brundle said he couldnt even see the walls at monaco because the bigger front tires block the view. The whole side view is filled with tire. So that should give you a idea of what is seen during driving.

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http:/// https://youtu.be/M4ejE8lEqm8?t=1  The video I was referring to in my comment