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I'm fairly new to F1 2016 (played the 2011 edition a lot). Having progressed some into a career game and having played a few single player races, I keep seeing the same destructive behaviour from the AI: It rams me or locks my wheels even if I'm on the racing line.

As far as I can see, the AI drives exactly on the racing line no matter what. So if I'm on the racing line breaking or am having a slower car, it will ram into me. OK, so maybe I'm going a bit slow in some sections (am trying to go manual gear now), but really?  How about going around?

And what's really bothering me is the penalties. I easily get a penalty from doing a soft contact or even from being run off the track, but the AIs never do. In some cases I've been crashed out of the race and they get....nothing? In all of my ~20 races so far, I have only seen 1 penalty for an AI and that was for crossing the pit lane :?

While this is somewhat realistic because the marshals always seem to penalise the newest racers and closing their eyes to vile behaviour of the veterans (Raikonnen, anyone?), it still bothers me a lot.

Now for the question: Why is this happening? And what can be done? EXCEPT getting out of the way or drive fast enough not be hit....you know it's not always an option...

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SBroccoli said:
I'm fairly new to F1 2016 (played the 2011 edition a lot). Having progressed some into a career game and having played a few single player races, I keep seeing the same destructive behaviour from the AI: It rams me or locks my wheels even if I'm on the racing line.

As far as I can see, the AI drives exactly on the racing line no matter what. So if I'm on the racing line breaking or am having a slower car, it will ram into me. OK, so maybe I'm going a bit slow in some sections (am trying to go manual gear now), but really?  How about going around?

And what's really bothering me is the penalties. I easily get a penalty from doing a soft contact or even from being run off the track, but the AIs never do. In some cases I've been crashed out of the race and they get....nothing? In all of my ~20 races so far, I have only seen 1 penalty for an AI and that was for crossing the pit lane :?

While this is somewhat realistic because the marshals always seem to penalise the newest racers and closing their eyes to vile behaviour of the veterans (Raikonnen, anyone?), it still bothers me a lot.

Now for the question: Why is this happening? And what can be done? EXCEPT getting out of the way or drive fast enough not be hit....you know it's not always an option...

Simple to fix this. Get good!

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No issues with the AI. Dependening what AI difficulty they're set on will affect how they drive. And for the rookies and veterans thing, you clearly don't watch F1 enough.

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SBroccoli said:
...I keep seeing the same destructive behaviour from the AI... Why is this happening?...

Because CodeMasters. It's not uncommon to see this in most (if not all) of their motorsport games.


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As far as i have seen the difficulty of the AI is the same as before..they drive exactly the same lines but will brake sooner, accelerate later and have lower cornering speed when you lower the difficulty..that's it.

Furthermore in my opinion the AI is stuck to the racing line and finds it hard to overtake by going off the racing line..in a straight when they are faster they sooner bump into you than move off the line to overtake. Unless you move, than they want to slipstream and move behind you..but still bump into you.

WHen you have to give a position back to AI it is really hard someties..slowing down will cause them to slow down behind you rarther than pass..really silly.

But overall there are plenty of good races left, of course when your speed is almost the same as the ai speed and you takes a couple of laps to gain half a second on them you notice these things less and less because there is less overtaking :)

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I've posted about this before, practice and quail the AI are more aggressive than in the race. Then in race they give away positions easy and hit you from behind & side.


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I have done about 5 races now on master difficulty and so far i am yet to finish without an AI driver spinning me or sending me to the pits for a new nose.  The one that has happened a couple times is when a car is right behind me and i can see him dancing in my mirrors. Before i know it he has caught my rear wheel with his wing sending us both spinning out of control and ending my race.
I love the difficulty level and suits me well, its a constant back and forth with my team mate. all others are too easy or to hard but i just cant deal with being spun all the time.  Its something you have come to expect from online racing (wherever you race) but not offline.
Please look into this CM, Cheers

I have videos on my xbox feed under the same name. 

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Can't tell you how sick to death I am of being rammed by the AI. I actually can't finish a race in Singapore because I get wrecked into the wall.

As someone above said - you see them in the mirrors and then BAM - they are right into the back of you and you are off. 

At the opposite end - they brake so quickly if the safety car is called out that I ram them!

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This thread is full of cringe. You need to learn that your driving style will affect the AI and how they race you. I have no issues with AI, therefore anyone driving similar to me or sensibly will have no issues either. Learn that the AI is fine and your issues are mainly caused by yourself.

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You guys are probably used to the lame AI in previous games. You can't just weave across the track and expect the AI to back off. You also can't shut the door last second because the AI will ram you off the circuit because they have nowhere to go. Learn to defend properly and you won't get punted into the wall/off the circuit anymore

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Bloomie01 said:
This thread is full of cringe. You need to learn that your driving style will affect the AI and how they race you. I have no issues with AI, therefore anyone driving similar to me or sensibly will have no issues either. Learn that the AI is fine and your issues are mainly caused by yourself.
Bloody hell, aren't you entertaining.

1. Stop marking posts you don't like as spam, You like to do that, and I felt like telling you right now.
2. Believe it or not, but there are some issues with the AI. They are better in some areas, however, they do need work in some others.

For example: In F1 2016 the AI does try to get in your slipstream. Which is good. There is a problem with it though. Sometimes they do seem to muck their timing up. Like they try to get in your slipstream even though their nose is still right next to your rear tyre. So what happens is they spin you out. I've seen this a couple of times while playing it for a few hours, so it's not exactly a rare thing to happen.

Also their spacial awareness is... inconsistent at times. Sometimes they give you plenty of space, sometimes they act like you aren't there. Though, this could be intentional.

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I'm skeptical about AI ramming player in the straight, can someone show me a video example ?

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Well, first of all, it's Räikkönen, not Räikönnen.  (And yes, I know your keyboard don't have ö and ä letters, but as I have, I will use them)
Second: He does get penalties, you just don't remember him getting penalties. 
Or did you already forget the grid penalty he got in Japan?

Yes, the AI do drive like a maniacs, and rarely gets penalized from it. Another thing is, that even though you would be driving with realistic damage model, the AI can hit to the walls pretty hard and still resume racing, like nothing happened, yet, when they crash you in crawling speeds, you will lose parts of your car, or even pop the wheels off.
 
Reason new drivers are getting more penalties, is just that: They're new, and do recless, nearing dangerous stunts in the track, for example Verstappens stunts to both Ferrari's and Perez in Spa, which still should of been penalized. He even admitted that he did push both Ferraris off the track on purpose!
What comes to Hungary, that's just normal racing incident, yes Verstappen did block pretty heavily, but he didn't do more than that 1 move, which is fine.

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Nagrom said:
I'm skeptical about AI ramming player in the straight, can someone show me a video example ?
Is it what you want to see?
https://youtu.be/sYUnlL11RMQ

I drive the Manor (50% Race, Expert, No Assist, China GP). While I was following Bottas, Massa just hit me. I don't know where he was expecting to go or what was his purpose. There is obviously no room to pass on the left and the right is blocked by the Haas car. Why don't the AI just stay behind me and slow down to avoid this?

In the same race (China), I had a great battle in turn 1-2-3 which make me think the AI is really stunning sometimes. It was able to keep its line while was keeping mine. It let me the room while not giving up... and it was fun.

So my question is: why is the AI able to have great battles in turns and respect the room each car needs but is not able to drive in a straight line?

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Yes thanks, never witnessed it myself (legend difficulty, not sure if that matters), so I didn't understand what exactly people were complaining about. I thought maybe they changed a little their trajectory in front of the AI. But in your video it's clearly not the case and it's 100% AI misbehavior.
Maybe people need to show more video examples for Dev to understand when this issue happens. (maybe because the car had no room to overtake ?)

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I have the same issues. The video in the post above describes perfectly what I have to go through. It is downright impossible to race without flashbacks because of this. Also, ive had issues of the AI always trying to pass on the side there is less room for whatever reason. Like if it is a right turn, I will go a little more left and leave the inside turn for the AI and for some reason the follow me and try to pass on the left of me even though the whole right side is wide open. Even on a straight, just like in the video in previous post, they will try to go left even if the whole right side of track is wide open. Seems they are not programmed to understand they got nowhere to go. Also, its very difficult to not get penalised under blue flags because the AI wont pass you unless you slow down. Even if i move to yhe side on a straight they wont pass. Problem is, if I am racing someone and need to let someone through under blue flag, that person i am trying to defend will also pass me. Happened to me last race. I was racing with Perez and had to let Hamilton through. Wouldnt pass me unless i actually slowed down. Then Perez also passed me obviously

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I have this all the time its weird that its only on straights though.
In my last race i passed kyvatt to lap him he responds by slipstream me on the next straight moves way too late to move right and takes me out! 
Simple testing would make them see this as its every race.

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...Simple testing would make them see this as its every race.

Why pay testers when customers will pay to test?  ;)

Customers do the best job of finding issues, reporting issues, & recording videos of issues... So be sure to pre-order & buy the next installment(s) to find out if any of those issues get resolved.  :p


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Bloomie01 said:
No issues with the AI. Depending what AI difficulty they're set on will affect how they drive. And for the rookies and veterans thing, you clearly don't watch F1 enough.
The AI is my biggest issue with this game.

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It's a question I've been asking since time immemorial !?? If you're in the path of the AI (the racing line) and moving too slow, they will try and move you out of the way for sure. The way to avoid being moved out of the way by the AI I the speed up - that worked for me.

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The AI in this game is why I dropped it and rarely play it. Same old thing as 2015. Should rename AI to AUI (Artificial Un lntelligence).

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Have trouble w the ai all the time. If you are overtaking them into a corner they get very skiddish and will back off allowing you to pass easily but if they are trying to overtake you they start driving like youre not even there. Have been shunted sooooo many times while I'm driving straight down the racing line its mind blowing. They behave as if you are supposed to act the way they do when getting passed and go completetly off track to get out of their way if you see them coming. 

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Awesome ai in corners they race awesome, on the straights its the worst ive seen in any of the codies games, i get round this with flashbacks but its so silly.

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