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What?! they plan on upgrading the current 300Bhp to 380?! Are they trying to recreate Group B? 380 HP is where the Metro 6R4 is at.

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What?! they plan on upgrading the current 300Bhp to 380?! Are they trying to recreate Group B? 380 HP is where the Metro 6R4 is at.
A hell of a lot more downforce and more advanced ways of getting that power down onto the road though.
Plus better chassis design in general.
These drivers won't be sitting directly on-top of an unprotected fuel tank, ala the Lancia Delta S4.

Whether or not these changes will be re-evaluated a few years down the line or are forgetting the lessons of Group B is going to be a case of wait and see.
It's pretty clear why it's happening though: The rise of the FIA World Rally Cross Championship. It's overshadowing WRC too much.
All goes hand in hand with Loeb saying the current crop of WRC cars are too boring to drive which is why he's trying so many different things.

The irony is the last couple of years in WRC have focused on cost cutting.
A lot of that work is now going out the window.

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Looks even better now than it did in October last year :smiley: 
Looks like they have photographers in the center of the track now as well!

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Spokster said:
What?! they plan on upgrading the current 300Bhp to 380?! Are they trying to recreate Group B? 380 HP is where the Metro 6R4 is at.
A hell of a lot more downforce and more advanced ways of getting that power down onto the road though.
Plus better chassis design in general.
These drivers won't be sitting directly on-top of an unprotected fuel tank, ala the Lancia Delta S4.

Whether or not these changes will be re-evaluated a few years down the line or are forgetting the lessons of Group B is going to be a case of wait and see.
It's pretty clear why it's happening though: The rise of the FIA World Rally Cross Championship. It's overshadowing WRC too much.
All goes hand in hand with Loeb saying the current crop of WRC cars are too boring to drive which is why he's trying so many different things.

The irony is the last couple of years in WRC have focused on cost cutting.
A lot of that work is now going out the window.
Just watched the WRC 1998 season review. God  I miss those days. The cars actually had carisma, they didn't all look alike like these days. The driver lineup was also so much more intriguing.

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Is it just me that really likes the look of the current cars? I find them really impressive on stage and each of them is unique to me (the Hyundai maybe looks more 'generic' than the others, but its grey livery doesn't help).

In 1998, there were the same number of manufacturers as now, only McRae, Makkinen and Sainz had much of a chance of winning the title. The only difference now is that one driver is absolutely on top of his game - it's a pity that Loeb's Citroen v Ogier' VW never had a full season against each other as I think that could have been one of the all-time great years if so.

The one thing I do miss about that era was the FWD cars having a chance on tarmac, I'm always a sucker for a wildcard.

Not saying it wasn't a really good year, but I think we sometimes over-glamourise history whilst not appreciating the cars and teams we have at the moment. It's certainly not as barren as the late 2000s, which is when I had given up on rallying (Audi v Peugeot in Sportscars racing put the nail in my rally-watching coffin too).

I had a spare day off in 2013 when Rally GB was on, I went for Shakedown and I've been re-addicted ever since I saw Ogier hammer the Polo around the corner I was stood at, at a speed I'd never seen (in rallying) before. 

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Is it just me that really likes the look of the current cars? I find them really impressive on stage and each of them is unique to me (the Hyundai maybe looks more 'generic' than the others, but its grey livery doesn't help).
There was a bit more variety in terms of the cars being different types. The Impreza/Lancer were proper saloons, the Corolla a smaller hatchback and the Escort at least seemed to be inbetween as a smaller saloon.
1999 though, that was rather different.
When you look at that years championship, it's no wonder 99's games of CMR2 and V-Rally 2 are remembered so fondly.

I think the current cars look fine, but maybe a bit small. Especially the Yaris WRC. With no bodywork between the rear wheels and the, well, rear, they are kinda starting to look like Smart cars.

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I like the Polo and the Citroen but I don't think too much of the Hyundai tbh. Like Rallycameraman says, it might be that drab grey colour. The saloons of yesterday might have looked more impressive over the jumps and sliding round the bends but the hatches are more suited to the faster, 'point and squirt' style of modern rallying.

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This may come across as sarcastic or evil or something post but...

After this last feedback Friday, is posting anything in the suggestions box useless now?  It sounds that the game is pretty much locked down at this point.  Yeah I'm bummed about NO chance of America being part of DR, a little part of me died there.  

Anyhow, didn't see anyones thoughts, so posting my own.  
Well, they did say that they were working on some fixes/features a lot of people wanted which is cool, I'm just mainly bummed of the lack of new stages. 

They pretty much confirmed we won't get any additional stages for current events like Wales, and have to wait till September for Finland which if they follow current routine will be 2 longer stages split up and reversed to make up 12.  I do appreciate they are going for quality over content, and it definitely shows cause these are by far the best stages ever produced in any rally game, but it seems all we have to look forward to the end of the year is Finland and Sweden 2 long stages split up and reversed.

I can't wait for Finland as it's my favorite rally by far, just I guess venting a bit.  The stages and the unknown and relying on your codriver is the essence of rally, and anyone who puts some real time into DR just ends up memorizing the stages.  It's still a ton of fun, the current roster of cars is already great and they all feel different, but just really need more stages IMO.
Yeeeaaah..... sadly thats the reason why I vertiginously lost interest on DiRT Rally.

The time when you feel you don't need your co-driver anymore you basically just stopped rallying. Although I'm in love with its sound (and in hate with its engine sounds), there is nothing new for me to discover. I won't be able to run any faster either because I don't have the talent or because I don't have a wheel.

Replayability is pretty much jeopardized to me, as we won't have any other long stages for the current countries. I may drop the ball on this one  :/

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griev0r said:
gfRally said:
This may come across as sarcastic or evil or something post but...

After this last feedback Friday, is posting anything in the suggestions box useless now?  It sounds that the game is pretty much locked down at this point.  Yeah I'm bummed about NO chance of America being part of DR, a little part of me died there.  

Anyhow, didn't see anyones thoughts, so posting my own.  
Well, they did say that they were working on some fixes/features a lot of people wanted which is cool, I'm just mainly bummed of the lack of new stages. 

They pretty much confirmed we won't get any additional stages for current events like Wales, and have to wait till September for Finland which if they follow current routine will be 2 longer stages split up and reversed to make up 12.  I do appreciate they are going for quality over content, and it definitely shows cause these are by far the best stages ever produced in any rally game, but it seems all we have to look forward to the end of the year is Finland and Sweden 2 long stages split up and reversed.

I can't wait for Finland as it's my favorite rally by far, just I guess venting a bit.  The stages and the unknown and relying on your codriver is the essence of rally, and anyone who puts some real time into DR just ends up memorizing the stages.  It's still a ton of fun, the current roster of cars is already great and they all feel different, but just really need more stages IMO.
Yeeeaaah..... sadly thats the reason why I vertiginously lost interest on DiRT Rally.

The time when you feel you don't need your co-driver anymore you basically just stopped rallying. Although I'm in love with its sound (and in hate with its engine sounds), there is nothing new for me to discover. I won't be able to run any faster either because I don't have the talent or because I don't have a wheel.

Replayability is pretty much jeopardized to me, as we won't have any other long stages for the current countries. I may drop the ball on this one  :/
That's always the risk with something like Early Access.
Very few professional games testers continue to play the game they were testing after it is finished and released.

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I made a comparison with DR, DiRT 1 and RBR about the total unique road lenght, this comparison covers only the Rally discipline btw.
(All stages from these games are real roads)
I can already see that at the end of the early access we`ll barelly scratch CMR DiRT`s total stage lenght and will not even come close to RBR`s unfortunately... :/

EDIT - RBR total is 181.5 km, not what is in the image, i probably counted one of the rallies twice lol

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BrySkye said:
Is it just me that really likes the look of the current cars? I find them really impressive on stage and each of them is unique to me (the Hyundai maybe looks more 'generic' than the others, but its grey livery doesn't help).
There was a bit more variety in terms of the cars being different types. The Impreza/Lancer were proper saloons, the Corolla a smaller hatchback and the Escort at least seemed to be inbetween as a smaller saloon.
1999 though, that was rather different.
When you look at that years championship, it's no wonder 99's games of CMR2 and V-Rally 2 are remembered so fondly.

I think the current cars look fine, but maybe a bit small. Especially the Yaris WRC. With no bodywork between the rear wheels and the, well, rear, they are kinda starting to look like Smart cars.
I think I'm in the minority of liking the small cars; they really remind me of the 205s and Renault 5s I liked as a kid. I also love this picture of the Yaris alongside the '98 Corolla, which makes me realise how much all modern card have grown:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/landscape_nrm_1422593848-yaris_wrc_studio_3-626x313.jpg

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I made a comparison with DR, DiRT 1 and RBR about the total unique road lenght, this comparison covers only the Rally discipline btw.
(All stages from these games are real roads)
I can already see that at the end of the early access we`ll barelly scratch CMR DiRT`s total stage lenght and will not even come close to RBR`s unfortunately... :/

EDIT - RBR total is 181.5 km, not what is in the image, i probably counted one of the rallies twice lol

@OttoWilson nice research, only think u have to remember is that u have to count the 2 stages that still has to come: Flying Finland and Winterwonder land, lets say both are also 20 km +/- then u got around the 120km total in DiRT Rally , close to CMR DiRT,
Not to forget its not fair to compare, to RBR, Because DiRT Rally and CMR DiRT got also Pikepeak and Rallycross ( Only DiRT Rally) That are also stage km.

I do hope that there will be new stages added later on the rallies we got now, ( for example the wineyards stages in the Germany rally)

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I made a comparison with DR, DiRT 1 and RBR about the total unique road lenght, this comparison covers only the Rally discipline btw.
(All stages from these games are real roads)
I can already see that at the end of the early access we`ll barelly scratch CMR DiRT`s total stage lenght and will not even come close to RBR`s unfortunately... :/

EDIT - RBR total is 181.5 km, not what is in the image, i probably counted one of the rallies twice lol
Thanks for that; confirms what I thought assumed and it's the main reason I force myself to close the game after a few stages each time. Whilst it would be great to see another (~10km) long stage in each location, the Finland and Sweden ones will put it at somewhere around 130km total, and if they make the Pike's Peak sections available in rally mode (which I really hope they do) then it would come to 150km.

Add in another long stage, real or otherwise, for each location and it would be another area where it would beat RBR...

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Is it clear that we won't get more stages?? I'll gladly pay for DLC with new stages!

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I made a comparison with DR, DiRT 1 and RBR about the total unique road lenght, this comparison covers only the Rally discipline btw.
(All stages from these games are real roads)
I can already see that at the end of the early access we`ll barelly scratch CMR DiRT`s total stage lenght and will not even come close to RBR`s unfortunately... :/

EDIT - RBR total is 181.5 km, not what is in the image, i probably counted one of the rallies twice lol

@OttoWilson nice research, only think u have to remember is that u have to count the 2 stages that still has to come: Flying Finland and Winterwonder land, lets say both are also 20 km +/- then u got around the 120km total in DiRT Rally , close to CMR DiRT,
Not to forget its not fair to compare, to RBR, Because DiRT Rally and CMR DiRT got also Pikepeak and Rallycross ( Only DiRT Rally) That are also stage km.

I do hope that there will be new stages added later on the rallies we got now, ( for example the wineyards stages in the Germany rally)

I think it was not made visible/clear to players just how much smaller the team and the budget for DiRT Rally was compared to DiRT 3 (and most likely previous DiRTs).

At times team developing DiRT Rally was tiny compared to what people would expect.

Focus of the Southam Codemasters studio has been on DiRT Rally only recently - before it was GRID 2 and GRID Autosport. Now, with the sales of DiRT Rally being really good, the team is likely to have more support and more budget, but they won't get an army of devs and a swimming pool of $$$ to accomodate all our wishes.

Even now there's a team making an Overlord game and it's likely that fixing F1 2015 is taking resources away from Southam to Birmingham.

Then bear in mind that the overall number of devs/employees at the main studio in Southam has decreased significantly compared to the glory days of DiRT 3 - of course I don't have the numbers, but car parks are far from full...

I know that players really enjoy DiRT Rally and #1 improvement, which would make the game even more rally authentic would be to have so many stage kilometres that you'd have to rely on pace notes for months. But people need to realise just how expensive and time consuming it is to produce a stage with such a detail and quality as we have in DR.

It's 2-3 people, highly skilled well earning artists, working for most of a year... It's no secret that Codies are not swimming in cash so despite the success of DiRT Rally they are still on a shoe string budget.

All I know from my chats with the devs that the success and hugely positive reaction to DiRT Rally did not go unnoticed upstairs at Codies. There's a clear plan and budget for DiRT Rally, there's gathering of wishes and feedback, there's a push on keeping it getting better and better.

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Is it just me that really likes the look of the current cars? I find them really impressive on stage and each of them is unique to me (the Hyundai maybe looks more 'generic' than the others, but its grey livery doesn't help).
No, it's not just you! The DS3 is a little understated and, as you say, the Hyundai is a bit boxy and generic, but I think the Fiesta and Polo are both fantastic looking cars. They look good in action as well, especially as they are far more spectacular on the limit than the last of the 2.0L World Rally Cars.

I'm very interested to see how the forthcoming rule changes are going to affect the 1.6L cars. Potentially they could look even more aggressive and be even quicker than they are now. 
Not saying it wasn't a really good year, but I think we sometimes over-glamourise history whilst not appreciating the cars and teams we have at the moment. It's certainly not as barren as the late 2000s, which is when I had given up on rallying (Audi v Peugeot in Sportscars racing put the nail in my rally-watching coffin too).
Rose tinted spectacles are a wonderful thing aren't they? That's not to say that the Championships of that era weren't great but, as you say, not all the cars back then were amazing either. 

In my opinion it isn't the cars, it's the seeming lack of challenge for the title that's the biggest issue with the WRC these days; Ogier certainly isn't walking away with the wins in quite the same way Loeb did in the past (particularly his latter years), but he still does seem another level above the rest of the field. When you compare that to the '98 season, then the racing back then seemed better, as you had several drivers in contention for victory.

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DiRT Showdown 2?
http://www.xboxfront.de/news-3575-47975-DiRT-Showdown-2-Xbox-One.html
http://www.gameware.at/info/space/Dirt+Showdown+2?emphasize=MS-DISH2
Gameware lists Showdown 2 for 2015

Not sure if this is true or makes sense, but I would be pleased to see more of CM
DiRT Rally - Simulation Series
DiRT Showdown - Action Series
DiRT - Arcade Series
I like this setup :)

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JackKey said:
DiRT Showdown 2?
http://www.xboxfront.de/news-3575-47975-DiRT-Showdown-2-Xbox-One.html
http://www.gameware.at/info/space/Dirt+Showdown+2?emphasize=MS-DISH2
Gameware lists Showdown 2 for 2015

Not sure if this is true or makes sense, but I would be pleased to see more of CM
DiRT Rally - Simulation Series
DiRT Showdown - Action Series
DiRT - Arcade Series
I like this setup :)

For 2015..... ? No way... and Showdown?

Getta outta here...

Anyone brave enough in Photoshop to paste someone from Codies onto the 'IT'S HAPPENING' gif... ? :P

Joking aside I don't believe this... If Codies are to release a DiRT game for consoles it should be DiRT Rally!

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