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Cool news about the new stuff being developed!  Thanks for summing up the podcast.

Also, @RallyDriven let's see how well you know your old rally videos ;)
"oh Derek, ohhhh, Derek"

Just in case, someone put the sound to a Dirt Rally video :D 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6hKi1oWhaw


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JZStudios said:
griev0r said:
Hahaha, look who's back!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/4ffcij/dirt_rally_from_fake_simulator_to_a_glamour_hell/

I feel like I'm missing something, who is this guy? And back from where?
Back from rehab, but clearly not recovered.

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griev0r said:
Hahaha, look who's back!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/4ffcij/dirt_rally_from_fake_simulator_to_a_glamour_hell/

You're kidding ?

La Premier, a.k.a. Ivanushka-GRID, is back AGAIN ?

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Wow! Great news concerning the next DiRT. At least we are being informed openly then it might be probable they would drop a teaser any day soon.

http://totalrallystudio.podbean.com/

Forward to minute 48:00! :)

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Can you sum it up? I am deaf. @bogani

In short, the next game will take the basis left behind from dirt rally. it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different, but it will take forward the ideas from dirt rally. There was mention of early new handling being developed that already made dirt rally look 'old school'. Paul also mentioned increased production value of the game, so I'm guessing they will get the budget to produce something with the exterior qualities of previous dirt games, such as a more detailed career, soundtracks, menus and everything else. Which is one thing that I think Dirt rally misses slightly.
Beat me to it. Thanks mate :)

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griev0r said:
Hahaha, look who's back!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/4ffcij/dirt_rally_from_fake_simulator_to_a_glamour_hell/

That was awhile back, the OP is from October. I wonder what he thinks of Finland and Sweden?

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Oh god. I'm going to force myself to read it if it kills me. so far it's like he's trying to be eloquent and come up with clever anecdotes, but his poor grammar and typos mixed with a lack of punctuation and sentence structure make it exceedingly difficult. Here's some quotes direct from this "Gods" mouth. or, y'know, fingers I guess.

"God-made Universe beaty" ...Really? Did he now? I've heard of this beaty thing, always wondered where it came from.
"From last flat demand of narrow and twisty tracks in-game including springs." ...HUH?! :/
"Their aim was so: to count, or to ascertain in experimental way, how mad speed can they permit themselves during passing certain turn.
précised" ....Ah, good old précised. I love being précised.
"So, in "dirt" gaming internal complexity of different factors simultaneous count and different type actions' synthesis producing occurred as if pushed outwards and became doomed to freeze in the form of external track complexity." ...Seriously, what the hell is this man saying?
"The absence of the power slide in Fake Rally is a simple fact" ...Yeah, sure it is...
"[I] finished in top list of June championship using Escort Mk II." ...Alright, maybe I don't pay attention, but isn't the Escort new?
"If you turn it a little before mortal handbrake stop and, God save, also throttle a little, invisible hand will catch your machine and begin to twirl it in absurd manner"  ...I love the phrase mortal handbrake stop. God Save. B)
"For passing entire long stage in such way you must be possessed with extreme precise carefulness and exactness, usually peculiar to girls or, maybe, [to boys who like boys - so, for whom was it made? (subjective)]" So, I think he's saying everyone that finishes a stage is either A. A woman, or B. Gay. :D But then he uses peculiar instead of particular... So, maybe you can't be gay, or a woman, or a gay woman. That'll make it freak out.
"dear friends" HAHAHAHAHA. No.
"and the slightest attempt of counteraction is being punishable with head screw off." :p A certain Full Metal Jacket quote springs to mind.
"And after produced by this engine furious shove it float by invisible water surface, no matter also, do you push brake or handbrake! These losers cannot understand that if really the same tyres produce such rocket shove, they MUST also stop it, if they accepted perpendicular or even backward direction and also now work for car moving there!" Alright seriously now, I HATE the furious shove it float by invisible water surface. :#
"Can You Really Swallow It Without Become A Little Crazy?" Apparently you can't
"Dirtists likes to demonstrate snobbery regarding to official WRC game series, and being asked about the reasons for it, instead of less-glamour picture, they tell about such things like "I get first place from first attempt". I like the term Dirtists. We're a cult now.
"if set AI to 10th or 9th level, even for me, who established in that game world records, it would be sometimes not so easy to win virtual Loeb after a range of attempts." HAHAHAHAHA
(I'm paraphrasing here.) He goes on to talk about flashbacks and complaining about why they're not in the game wile RBR is so much better and doesn't let you restart. Irony? I do believe so.
"Inside a Black Hole Yes, some things are simply ridiculous, like "advanced startup" or "car setup at service area"." I didn't realize that! I always wondered what the inside of a black hole looked like.
"About last I can only tell, that I found simple fact: turning gears ratio to maximum "long" value you improve your results at ANY stage and with ANY car, but corresponding profit is so insignificant, that it’s not worth to kill time for such "tuning"" That's a useless thing to point out then. That's how tuning works.
"First of all, they invented a new type of game world, namely, gaming inside a black hole." Scott Manley should JUMP on this game, I'm sure he'd be interested now.
(Paraphrasing) Apparently as mentioned above, DR is literally INSIDE a black hole and the tracks are actually tunnels with 3D printings on the walls.
"Scarps and even the simple column in hairpin center will also attract you with force, in spurts rising to infinity after invisible line crossing." I knew there was a reason I kept sliding off the track when I was going to fast! The Gravitational pull is responsible! (Typical race driver)
"So, so on." So, so useless. This is not a complete sentence.
(Paraphrasing) Someone showed a DR vs. IRL Greece stage and I guess there's more rocks and things in DR? He cites things such as "What a safety barrier," "Why are the road boards so clean, like swept," ...I'm sorry, what the hell is a road board? "exciting is their idea to make road boards at some tracks sharp like knife" ...."we must suppose that that all was "realistic"" :|
"Our Little Hardcore Toys." "Our Little Sex Shop?" ;)
"But, so, it’s not all," God. Sentence structure is insane in Italy.
(trying to keep equipoise at high speed)    ...It's weird to me that he knows words like "equipoise" but not simple grammar or paragraph structure. Even weirder that he actually used it correctly.
"You can allegedly touch an idiotic staff member, staying like a ram in half-meter also near track board and absolutely not trying to evade from rushing bolide."...There's the road boards again. I really wish I could understand what this guy was trying to say. From "bolide" I'm assuming he's Italian.
(Paraphrasing) I think at this point he's moved on to a new topic but he's still about the reset, road boards, and black holes.

At this point I'd like to apologize for the long post. I'm now about 2/3 of the way through.

"Not surprising is the fact, that in Codemasters' game all upper rating places are always being occupied with cheaters – it’s the usual story" ...Irony...
"But if at their forum you'll ask questions about where these more than strange things origin from, you will be very soon banned forever, and all your posts, including concerning other games, deleted from the forum." .... I'm about 99% certain that's never happened.
(Paraphrasing) something about cheaters calling out other cheaters? ...I think?
"is it really all OK with the head of those who invented all this?" is it really all OK with you're head?
"But, in the same time, what about those, who eat it, who play this game day and night? I do not want to insult anybody, but I can only presuppose, that they simply forgot themselves in a game, which gradually acquired algolagnical (sadism-masochistic) nature." That's right. I get off playing this game because I hate myself. ...I'm a sad, sad, sick man.
"Generally, present day social system force people not to find in external world somewhat creative harmony and beauty, but rathe, conversely, produce self-affirmation in forced negation of all concrete. I have no talent for playing RBR or even poor WRC 1-4 games - but instead of creative abilities' development I'll lick "dirt" tracks up to infinity, lay best railway between obstacles - and at the end I'll feel myself a winner, no matter if I was really fast or not." ...What?
"It keeps a person unsatisfied and forces him to continue self-torture." I'm still a sick man.
"Where From These Legs Outgrow?" Wow. This man TRULY has a way with words. :D What the hell?
(Paraphrasing) Okay, from here he goes on to talk about a social disorder bred from youth based on the classroom where from pre-adolescence children are spoon fed information (Or misinformation?) and are expected to remember the information without questioning it, or understanding how the equations/formulae work. I actually agree with him on this point, but to a much different purpose and significantly more important than a $60 video game whose main purpose is to, for lack of a better term, is to waste time.
(Paraphrasing) I think he's talking about how the modern life is so dull and drab and video games are our escape from the dystopian reality. Sure, I'll buy that. Then he goes on to say that CM had a chance to do that, but failed, so therefore they're masochists or something. It's actually tugging at my heart strings reading this.
"Good Bye, Fake Rally! But now we can say "Good bye, Fake Rally" with a light heart, because just now we can greet TRUE RALLY GAME. WRC 5 has just been released." :D
"It has quite poor picture, but." ....But. But... What? What is it? What else did you have to say? PLEASE ANSWER ME!
"Firstly mentioned people already formed a sect of Saint Dirt Witnesses lauds their idol at forums, but also abuse with worst words hundred times better games." ...I quite like the sound of a sect of Saint Dirt Lauderday Witnesses, with a steelbook case being held on a pedestal :D We're all cultists here... no wait, it's not a cult, it's a movement.

Final mentions.
He mentions track licking and sucking, which when I picture in my mind I giggle about. :D
He edited the post 3 times. I cant even yell 3 enough.

Here's a fun reply.

Oh god, I'm dying here. 5660 words? Awesome.

This deserves either an award for satire, or an intervention to get you back on your meds.

It's a game.


So in your little world, being completely out of your mind is making observations based off of an existing model?

No, but posting something this long, in this style, using those kinds of phrases makes the writer sound like a lunatic. I fully expected it to end with "Further MORE... Using the New York Times crossword's 3-across answer on September 25, 2009 as a one-time pad, it's OBVIOUS that CODEMASTERS is a cypher for ILLUMINATI"

If you can't recognize why the above 5,660 word rant comes across like the ravings of a lunatic... Well, you have my pity.

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In short, the next game will take the basis left behind from dirt rally. it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different, but it will take forward the ideas from dirt rally. There was mention of early new handling being developed that already made dirt rally look 'old school'. Paul also mentioned increased production value of the game, so I'm guessing they will get the budget to produce something with the exterior qualities of previous dirt games, such as a more detailed career, soundtracks, menus and everything else. Which is one thing that I think Dirt rally misses slightly.
Great news, except this part: "it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different". Call me paranoid if you wish, but maybe we're not getting another rally game this next time around?

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In short, the next game will take the basis left behind from dirt rally. it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different, but it will take forward the ideas from dirt rally. There was mention of early new handling being developed that already made dirt rally look 'old school'. Paul also mentioned increased production value of the game, so I'm guessing they will get the budget to produce something with the exterior qualities of previous dirt games, such as a more detailed career, soundtracks, menus and everything else. Which is one thing that I think Dirt rally misses slightly.
Great news, except this part: "it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different". Call me paranoid if you wish, but maybe we're not getting another rally game this next time around?
I think Rally in some form is part of the DiRT DNA but it may be more Rally Raid (Dakar/Baja) with FiA:WRX.  I love rally and would really really like to see a DR2 ++ but if they give us trucks next time around with current physics and a lot of features like we have wished for in DR, that will be fine for me too.  

BUT honestly I would like a sequel with a upgraded engine, upgraded damage/mechanical, as a base that is solid and move it to a PCars type of content, where new stuff is released every 6 weeks or so.  I'd even pay into a alpha program like WMD PCars just for something to do and play around with as it progresses.

If they state up-front that here is the base content (enough for money well spent) then DLC the H**L out of it, I'd gladly pay (adding Trucks then).  I don't have piles of $$ laying around, this is my hobby and its a pretty cheap on in comparison to many.  At the end of the year I spent $100+, I'm good with that, as long as I get a game with more than a years worth of playability, which DR is starting to stretch that now.

Really the ONLY direction they could go that would honestly disappoint me, is Quads/Bikes.  I know they are part of Raid in RL, but I have never seen a good way to simulate a bike experience outside of an arcade type of plastic bike where you can lean, etc.  Besides, I am just not interested in playing with bikes.  This is just my opinion, and many may want it. 

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griev0r said:
Hahaha, look who's back!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/4ffcij/dirt_rally_from_fake_simulator_to_a_glamour_hell/

Yeah, I saw that thread earlier. Just back away slowly while avoiding eye contact.

Also, don't worry too much about the future, it is looking good :D

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In short, the next game will take the basis left behind from dirt rally. it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different, but it will take forward the ideas from dirt rally. There was mention of early new handling being developed that already made dirt rally look 'old school'. Paul also mentioned increased production value of the game, so I'm guessing they will get the budget to produce something with the exterior qualities of previous dirt games, such as a more detailed career, soundtracks, menus and everything else. Which is one thing that I think Dirt rally misses slightly.
Great news, except this part: "it may be a sequel, it may be something a bit unique and different". Call me paranoid if you wish, but maybe we're not getting another rally game this next time around?
I interpreted it as maybe going along the lines with what they did when they first moved from the CMR games to DiRT. So incorporating different elements of the rally and offroad racing worlds into one game, but using dirt rally's approach to handling and detail. Basically, what ever comes next will be some kind of evolution of dirt rally. Paul also mentions DLC for DR as one of the options for the future, but it sounded unlikely from what he said.

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urgaffel said:
griev0r said:
Hahaha, look who's back!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtgame/comments/4ffcij/dirt_rally_from_fake_simulator_to_a_glamour_hell/

Yeah, I saw that thread earlier. Just back away slowly while avoiding eye contact.

Also, don't worry too much about the future, it is looking good :D
Worrying about the future? you do know this is the gossip thread, right? ;)

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Yeah, remember Paul can't mention much of anything right now as *nothing* has been announced, he actually gave away more information that i was expecting, whilst carefully dancing round the bushes about it (as he needed to do)

He said all 3 options so as not to say which one they're doing, just gave weight to each one, it certainly seems there will be a followup to DR.  That can mean DR2, it can mean the next name of the game following in the ruts of DR etc. etc.

Either way, DLC, probably not, based on probable ROI, he never said that explicitly, but he meant it.  That means "sequel" :)

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I listen to the podcast. Drools at the prospects of the things discussed.

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Another thing that was highly hinted at by Paul was something along the lines of dynamic stages. He mentioned how they wanted to come up with ways where the stages would always be slightly different to provide a new challenge. Could also mean more dynamic weather with puddles?

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Another thing that was highly hinted at by Paul was something along the lines of dynamic stages. He mentioned how they wanted to come up with ways where the stages would always be slightly different to provide a new challenge. Could also mean more dynamic weather with puddles?
Possibly simulating AI runs that happened before our run, naturally coupled with dynamic terrain deformation. At least hoping for that. Option to turn it off for the "time attackers" should be there as well, otherwise we wouldn't hear the end of it xD

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As we have discussed before on here, true dynamic terrain deforming is probably unlikely, a much more time efficient way (and far less demanding processing wise) would be to create separate stage profiles for different levels of use.

Just like circuit games have dirty - fully rubbered in versions of the same tracks. The next dirt game could have various versions of stages. This would potentially be the same stage with the physical model changed to simulate rutting etc and grip level changes.

The same method could be used to add larger puddles and ruts to replicate a “heavy rain” weather condition. Which includes vast physical changes of the surface not just visual rain and less grip.  

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It wouldn't really have to be truly dynamic, as you would never see what the other cars have done. The only time true dynamic changes would be requires would be if it incorporated something like dirt 3's online staggered starts. As you say, all you would need is some kind of system that implements varying levels of ruts onto a stage depending on your starting position. And on tarmac stages you could have areas where mud (or snow in monte) has been brought onto the insides of corners where cars are taking cuts.

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You could have endless combinations with:
1. Dynamic time of day
2. Dynamic weather -> tire choice
3. Terrain deformation & staggered starting position
4. Stage length -> tire choice

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It wouldn't really have to be truly dynamic, as you would never see what the other cars have done. The only time true dynamic changes would be requires would be if it incorporated something like dirt 3's online staggered starts. As you say, all you would need is some kind of system that implements varying levels of ruts onto a stage depending on your starting position. And on tarmac stages you could have areas where mud (or snow in monte) has been brought onto the insides of corners where cars are taking cuts.

Staggerd starts should be based on your some sort of lottery for position.  Whatever is real, or for gameplay purposes.

If you are first there would be no ruts, lines, and similar .  you now would have deal with being the rabbit with no lines to follow, and the challenges that come with that, like less grip in corners.

Like you said, really hard turns with buildup is really all that is needed and would be real.  But maybe an occasional random  rut where there is a an off.

There could be a soft rut over the entire stage to simulate you being farther back in the run. This would be a second copy pre-made stage.  Possibly a couple textures showing others lines, similare to skidmarks like we have now, but dont dissapear .

Another random addition determined by your position could be time of day and weather.  Weather could be rain approacing, or the event/location having an exceptionally dry period, were position would cause visibility differences (i.e. heavy dust in finland)



What do you all think, would this add enough random challenge for replay-ability?

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Yes, it would! Especially if the some of the track edges are randomized in some way as well.

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for the next game i would add at first the priority of missed things from this game. overall i would rate dirt rally 8.5/10.

the only things that let it down are no real mp. this has to be a core feature in the next one and no real anticheat.

the cheating for me really has to be sorted with real thought and progress. i dont see any real development over dirt rallys construction to stopping this. i get the priority and what must be sorted first but... when you got on literally every stage now and majority of top tens are cheats some stages top twenty ! on pc you do have to ask yourself how can this not be a priority.

i dont think that will be solved this game even though some try but for any kind of progression it needs to be sorted. lock down any access to files sorry modders you hate that but when people are just doing what they want it is effecting the whole project.

also the system for reporting cheats needs to be better. top ten guys around here are mostly around 1-3 secs on most tracks when flat out pushed for the top time.then you see some guy at top with 20 seconds lead. can you prove hes cheating .come on, its obvious.

so for the next game get this sorted. please.

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dgeesi0 said:
for the next game i would add at first the priority of missed things from this game. overall i would rate dirt rally 8.5/10.

the only things that let it down are no real mp. this has to be a core feature in the next one and no real anticheat.

the cheating for me really has to be sorted with real thought and progress. i dont see any real development over dirt rallys construction to stopping this. i get the priority and what must be sorted first but... when you got on literally every stage now and majority of top tens are cheats some stages top twenty ! on pc you do have to ask yourself how can this not be a priority.

i dont think that will be solved this game even though some try but for any kind of progression it needs to be sorted. lock down any access to files sorry modders you hate that but when people are just doing what they want it is effecting the whole project.

also the system for reporting cheats needs to be better. top ten guys around here are mostly around 1-3 secs on most tracks when flat out pushed for the top time.then you see some guy at top with 20 seconds lead. can you prove hes cheating .come on, its obvious.

so for the next game get this sorted. please.
And I think that they miss a proper career mode as i discribed earlier like:

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/43/idea-wrc-ultimate-rallyteam-explained/p1

or

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/6104/game-mode-idea-dirt-ultimate-rallyteam

Thats what they mis, but hey! the simulation part was more important and i think they did an amazing job!
Cant wait for a future titel! :D ( specially with these endless combinations indeed:
1. Dynamic time of day
2. Dynamic weather -> tire choice
3. Terrain deformation & staggered starting position
4. Stage length -> tire choice

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Maybe it's Dirty from me, but it's gossip.

gRally has a brand new website. You can read some of it's features there too: http://grally.net/

I am hyped. Too bad they still didn't email me. :( 
Don't get to excited! Since 2009 that they first announced the game. When AND IF it comes out it will be totally outdated. It's a shame unfortunatelly

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