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tbtstt said:
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I have watched that clip of the Focus RS RX coming over that crest about 20 times now. I want to drive it! 
I have driven it :D
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I want a go in the RS RX, but I really want to have a go in a Group B rallycross car. I have my fingers crossed that a certain Ford is going to make the cut...
I have seen the Group B RX cars and they look absolutely awesome! I can't wait to try them out particularly [redacted] and the [redacted] 
[redacted] you. :D

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Remember this car?  Its been revisited.   Looks and sounds like GrpB RX may be a thing someday

This was confirmed in Feb 2016, as re-recorded (audio) over a year ago.

It even has a big '4' on the door to confirm!    :p

EDIT:
I actually accidentally predicted DiRT 4 a year ago  :D
KevM said:
Having heard what a did (Chinese whisper as it was) I have a couple of theories on what it could mean.  But having info from here to consider also, I'm putting 2 and 2 together and getting 4

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I have seen the Group B RX cars and they look absolutely awesome! I can't wait to try them out particularly [redacted] and the [redacted] 
Could u tell us how many group B RX cars there are please? Or aren't u allowed to say?

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I would have to say this is my fav pic. It just looks so..... right!

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tbtstt said:
tbtstt said:
I have watched that clip of the Focus RS RX coming over that crest about 20 times now. I want to drive it! 
I have driven it :D
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I want a go in the RS RX, but I really want to have a go in a Group B rallycross car. I have my fingers crossed that a certain Ford is going to make the cut...
I have seen the Group B RX cars and they look absolutely awesome! I can't wait to try them out particularly [redacted] and the [redacted] 
Since you wouldn't single out 2 cars, if there were only 2, I conclude that there will be at least 3 

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*sits back and hopes for Czech spammers*
I am from Czech Republic and I am already "spamming" countdown thread with a lot of Škoda cars. 
Are you Christina, telling us subliminally that Skoda is confirmed for D4?

Perhaps...  lol

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tbtstt said:
tbtstt said:
I have watched that clip of the Focus RS RX coming over that crest about 20 times now. I want to drive it! 
I have driven it :D
Comment flagged for abuse. :smiley:

I want a go in the RS RX, but I really want to have a go in a Group B rallycross car. I have my fingers crossed that a certain Ford is going to make the cut...
I have seen the Group B RX cars and they look absolutely awesome! I can't wait to try them out particularly [redacted] and the [redacted] 
Since you wouldn't single out 2 cars, if there were only 2, I conclude that there will be at least 3 
I conclude that you are correct in your conclusion. 

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@KickUp  I've seen the video of Your Stage and I wonder something based on the WD40 livery on the Fiesta: when you loan a car in Freeplay, does your name, co-driver name and number go on the car?
IIRC it was already answered that it's not possible due to technical limitations. 
They did say that; however Paul said that in the livery editor you would be able to include your name and flag, and in the video the WD40 Fiesta has names that don't correspond to the real life drivers. Aha!

Afraid those are the real life drivers; I think it's Steve Petch's car, but it was driven in Rally GB by Rob Gill, motoring editor of the hate-filled Murdoch propaganda rag, The Sun (hence their logo on the car).

You'll forgive me if I don't link to their website.

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Didzis said:
tbtstt said:
tbtstt said:
I have watched that clip of the Focus RS RX coming over that crest about 20 times now. I want to drive it! 
I have driven it :D
Comment flagged for abuse. :smiley:

I want a go in the RS RX, but I really want to have a go in a Group B rallycross car. I have my fingers crossed that a certain Ford is going to make the cut...
I have seen the Group B RX cars and they look absolutely awesome! I can't wait to try them out particularly [redacted] and the [redacted] 
Since you wouldn't single out 2 cars, if there were only 2, I conclude that there will be at least 3 
I conclude that you are correct in your conclusion. 
As for the cars, my guess would be the 6R4 and the RS200 (because they were in DiRT3 rallycross and also the 6R4 recording thing), about the remaining ones I'm not sure. Guess we'll just have to wait and see (well, with some exceptions)

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Those two were the most popular ones. But I could see some of the other group b Rallycars make an appearance.

But what I would like the most is Martin Schanke's ford escort RS2000. That car is so bonkers. And it was raced in early group b rallycross


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Those two were the most popular ones. But I could see some of the other group b Rallycars make an appearance.

But what I would like the most is Martin Schanke's ford escort RS2000. That car is so bonkers. And it was raced in early group b rallycross



It is actually an RS1800. Does it come with 700bhp or more?

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Anyways, @KickUp will we be able to sell our cars this time around? I seen something brief where someone mentioned classifieds I think they called it.

What about upgrades? I absolutely hated the upgrade system in dirt rally. I just can't wrap my head around a team entering a 250hp car that weights 2500lbs into a class where it's possible to have 350hp and only weight 2100lbs. 

Dynamic weather has been ruled out right? How about dynamic time? Start a stage at dusk and it ends at night? Or starts at dawn and ends in sun rise?

Has anything been done with the automatic transmission penalty? In dirt rally to get reverse you had to come to a complete stop, then release the brake and hit the brake again to get reverse. No way to quickly down shift and whip the car back around..Not everyone has the means to use full manual due to dexterity of ligaments.. 

How about smart ai? Specifically the crowd? Absolutely hated spectators being static and being forced reset just because you got within 10m of them. Yet sometimes you could fly right by them and be good. The crow should move when a car gets too close. I understand some of it was to refrain from cheating or corner cutting, but I feel in 2017 something else could be done. 

Speaking of cheating blocks, will concrete bushes and solid uranium being going away? So frustrating to make a small mistake and hit a bush that's right beside the road and come to a dead stop. Or whipping around a corner hitting an advert sign to get the side of your car smashed in and bounced around 4 times. 

What about more customization on car set up? Diff split from front to rear on AWD cars, tire pressure, tire choices, turbo psi as well as when it builds boost and when it passes the bov (if car equipped? 

With that said, what about being able to save and share car set ups between players? And what I'd really love, is for the crew being able to suggest set ups for a stage. They know as well as the co driver knows what the stage entails even if the driver doesn't. They would be able to tweak the car to a general set up. Like if the stage was more flat, they'd know to firm up the suspension. But if the stage had decent jumps, to soften it up. Same as ride height. 

How about actual mud? Something I've missed from early rally games is actually mud that bogs the car down and makes traction go haywire. 

That's all I got for now. Ive asked all this before but haven't even any answers.. sorry if you've answered them before and I've seen you answer multiple questions that's asked the same thing and I think it's just great you keep answering them. 

2017 will be known as the year of gaming for me. GR:WL is out in less then a week, SGW is out in a month, then D4 in June, and RDR2 in late fall. 

Again sorry for the wall of text. Looking forward to answers. 
@KickUp? @ChristinaMc? @Rallycameraman?

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So I am really suprised by the newest footage. IT IS AMAZING! You really can tell physics are changed a lot! Even the way car takes of the start- first wheels spin fighting for grip and THEN car accelerates- shows a great promise. I am trully looking forward to D4 (and I am guilty of loosing my hope after trying Dirt Rally TBH).

@KickUp
As for Hyundai Preorder issue- I simply don't like it. I would understand if we got some free DLC in the future as a reward, but limiting already avaliable and completed asset of this kind only for those who preordered the game is just a bummer. D4 is already limited in car numbers due to Milestone actions. I know it's not you guys responsible for it, but please speak with guys in charge. Community hates this kind of decisions.

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I've always disliked exclusive, pre-order content. If it's ready for pre-orders, it's ready to ship with the game and there should be no reason to withhold the content. For someone like me, who is confident in Codemasters' ability to deliver a good product and therefore will be buying day one, pre-ordering doesn't make a difference. However, for someone who is still on the fence or thinking of getting the game at a later date, maybe during a sale, won't be able to get the Hyundai because it was only available for pre-orders. Result: divided community. The least they could do is make it available later but that probably won't be for free and those who weren't early adopters will be forced to pay a premium that shouldn't have been there. I get the reasoning behind the publisher's decision to do things this way, but I get even more the counter-argument.

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SamRWD said:
So I am really suprised by the newest footage. IT IS AMAZING! You really can tell physics are changed a lot! Even the way car takes of the start- first wheels spin fighting for grip and THEN car accelerates- shows a great promise. I am trully looking forward to D4 (and I am guilty of loosing my hope after trying Dirt Rally TBH).

@KickUp
As for Hyundai Preorder issue- I simply don't like it. I would understand if we got some free DLC in the future as a reward, but limiting already avaliable and completed asset of this kind only for those who preordered the game is just a bummer. D4 is already limited in car numbers due to Milestone actions. I know it's not you guys responsible for it, but please speak with guys in charge. Community hates this kind of decisions.
Why did dirt rally make you lose hope?

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I've always disliked exclusive, pre-order content. If it's ready for pre-orders, it's ready to ship with the game and there should be no reason to withhold the content. For someone like me, who is confident in Codemasters' ability to deliver a good product and therefore will be buying day one, pre-ordering doesn't make a difference. However, for someone who is still on the fence or thinking of getting the game at a later date, maybe during a sale, won't be able to get the Hyundai because it was only available for pre-orders. Result: divided community. The least they could do is make it available later but that probably won't be for free and those who weren't early adopters will be forced to pay a premium that shouldn't have been there. I get the reasoning behind the publisher's decision to do things this way, but I get even more the counter-argument.
Yup, first let me caveat this with the fact that I'm not a huge fan of pre-order incentives but there are a few things to consider.
1) Those that pre-order a game pay a premium to do so. That's not to say that they pay more than list price but games do drop in price after launch and so it is important for publishers to incentivise people to pay the full RRP as much as possible. 
2) It is also important for the publisher to get their pre-order numbers as high as possible as it helps build confidence with retailers which in turn means that the game gets more marketing and therefore exposure.
3) Some platform holders enforce publishers to make Pre-Order content available a set time after launch. Yes, there will be some discussion over pricing or whether it will be free but the content will almost certainly become available. 
4) Considering points 1and 2, by the time that the pre-order car becomes available, its cost (if it has one) combined with the cost of buying the game at that point, are likely to be less (perhaps considerably less) than what the pre-order version will have cost. 
5) I might get in trouble for saying this last point but here we go. Our publishers asked us to give them a car that they could use for Pre-Orders. Rather than taking a car from our existing list we pushed to get a new car added and that was the Hyundai. The Hyundai was not going to be in the game until Koch pushed us to add it, so it really is a bonus car and is the fourth R5 car. 

I get that people don't like it and as a consumer I sit firmly in that camp too but I hope this goes some way to explaining some of the reasons for it. 

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@KickUp, As I said, I see why publishers do what they do. Great write up! So, let me understand this: the Hyundai was the 4th car that was pending licensing when our fellow forum members went to play your game?

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So we will have 4 R5's, all over the world 7 models of R5's exists:
-Fiesta (confirmed) 
-i20 (confirmed) 
-208 (Probably) 
-Mirage (Probably) 
-Fabia (Probably) 
-DS3 (Unlikely) 
-Etios (Really unlikely) 

And the future R5 cars that will appear in 2018 the C3 and the Polo I think they are impossible. My bet is on Fabia and Mirage

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KickUp said:
I've always disliked exclusive, pre-order content. If it's ready for pre-orders, it's ready to ship with the game and there should be no reason to withhold the content. For someone like me, who is confident in Codemasters' ability to deliver a good product and therefore will be buying day one, pre-ordering doesn't make a difference. However, for someone who is still on the fence or thinking of getting the game at a later date, maybe during a sale, won't be able to get the Hyundai because it was only available for pre-orders. Result: divided community. The least they could do is make it available later but that probably won't be for free and those who weren't early adopters will be forced to pay a premium that shouldn't have been there. I get the reasoning behind the publisher's decision to do things this way, but I get even more the counter-argument.
Yup, first let me caveat this with the fact that I'm not a huge fan of pre-order incentives but there are a few things to consider.
1) Those that pre-order a game pay a premium to do so. That's not to say that they pay more than list price but games do drop in price after launch and so it is important for publishers to incentivise people to pay the full RRP as much as possible. 
2) It is also important for the publisher to get their pre-order numbers as high as possible as it helps build confidence with retailers which in turn means that the game gets more marketing and therefore exposure.
3) Some platform holders enforce publishers to make Pre-Order content available a set time after launch. Yes, there will be some discussion over pricing or whether it will be free but the content will almost certainly become available. 
4) Considering points 1and 2, by the time that the pre-order car becomes available, its cost (if it has one) combined with the cost of buying the game at that point, are likely to be less (perhaps considerably less) than what the pre-order version will have cost. 
5) I might get in trouble for saying this last point but here we go. Our publishers asked us to give them a car that they could use for Pre-Orders. Rather than taking a car from our existing list we pushed to get a new car added and that was the Hyundai. The Hyundai was not going to be in the game until Koch pushed us to add it, so it really is a bonus car and is the fourth R5 car. 

I get that people don't like it and as a consumer I sit firmly in that camp too but I hope this goes some way to explaining some of the reasons for it. 
What a great explanation, I applaud you for how genuine and honest you are. This why you and your team make such great games.    

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You're a good man Paul. I've only joined recently, and it took me a while to figure out @KickUp was you lol. 
Thanks for the honesty and evident passion.

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KickUp said:
Yup, first let me caveat this with the fact that I'm not a huge fan of pre-order incentives but there are a few things to consider.
1) Those that pre-order a game pay a premium to do so. That's not to say that they pay more than list price but games do drop in price after launch and so it is important for publishers to incentivise people to pay the full RRP as much as possible. 
2) It is also important for the publisher to get their pre-order numbers as high as possible as it helps build confidence with retailers which in turn means that the game gets more marketing and therefore exposure.
3) Some platform holders enforce publishers to make Pre-Order content available a set time after launch. Yes, there will be some discussion over pricing or whether it will be free but the content will almost certainly become available. 
4) Considering points 1and 2, by the time that the pre-order car becomes available, its cost (if it has one) combined with the cost of buying the game at that point, are likely to be less (perhaps considerably less) than what the pre-order version will have cost. 
5) I might get in trouble for saying this last point but here we go. Our publishers asked us to give them a car that they could use for Pre-Orders. Rather than taking a car from our existing list we pushed to get a new car added and that was the Hyundai. The Hyundai was not going to be in the game until Koch pushed us to add it, so it really is a bonus car and is the fourth R5 car. 

I get that people don't like it and as a consumer I sit firmly in that camp too but I hope this goes some way to explaining some of the reasons for it. 

Any way it's spun, "pre-order bonuses" sound to me like shifting risks off of the seller & onto buyers.

It can be an especially bitter pill to swallow when customers place enough faith in a company to pre-order games that then launch with substantial game-impacting issues requiring months of patching to fix (or are never fully fixed). It can motivate many patrons to wait to purchase until long after launch when multiple patches have been released & deep discounts are available - at which point they're getting a better-quality gaming experience for their money.

I think cosmetic-only pre-order "bonus" content might not be so bad for single-player games, but additional pre-order content that can potentially create advantages/disadvantages in competitive multiplayer games strikes me as an enormous competition-stifling gaffe. Whether it's additional cars in multiplayer/competitive driving games, or additional weapons in multiplayer/competitive battle-oriented games, such "bonuses" can sometimes create the impression that games are "pay-to-win."

I understand that businesses want to get more from customers - and that goes both ways: customers also want more from the businesses they choose to buy from. We buyers & sellers are in this together, but some sales/marketing tactics can fuel an atmosphere in which we're playing against each other rather than for mutual benefit.

I appreciate your candor on this subject @KickUp, and please know I do not personally cast any blame or negativity whatsoever on you or other hands-on developers for "business decisions" like this that you had no part in. I'm not "shooting the messenger" - I'm just speaking up in favor of something different.

...On another note...

Some footage of morphing conditions shown around 2 minutes into the "DiRT 4 - Introducing Your Stage [UK]" YouTube video made me curious: if we create, save, drive, & share stages in "Your Stage," can we later edit conditions for those saved custom stages, creating variants of the same layouts with different weather and/or time-of-day? (I apologize if this has already been previously answered elsewhere & I missed it.) Thanks.


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Anyways, @KickUp will we be able to sell our cars this time around? I seen something brief where someone mentioned classifieds I think they called it.

What about upgrades? I absolutely hated the upgrade system in dirt rally. I just can't wrap my head around a team entering a 250hp car that weights 2500lbs into a class where it's possible to have 350hp and only weight 2100lbs. 

Dynamic weather has been ruled out right? How about dynamic time? Start a stage at dusk and it ends at night? Or starts at dawn and ends in sun rise?

Has anything been done with the automatic transmission penalty? In dirt rally to get reverse you had to come to a complete stop, then release the brake and hit the brake again to get reverse. No way to quickly down shift and whip the car back around..Not everyone has the means to use full manual due to dexterity of ligaments.. 

How about smart ai? Specifically the crowd? Absolutely hated spectators being static and being forced reset just because you got within 10m of them. Yet sometimes you could fly right by them and be good. The crow should move when a car gets too close. I understand some of it was to refrain from cheating or corner cutting, but I feel in 2017 something else could be done. 

Speaking of cheating blocks, will concrete bushes and solid uranium being going away? So frustrating to make a small mistake and hit a bush that's right beside the road and come to a dead stop. Or whipping around a corner hitting an advert sign to get the side of your car smashed in and bounced around 4 times. 

What about more customization on car set up? Diff split from front to rear on AWD cars, tire pressure, tire choices, turbo psi as well as when it builds boost and when it passes the bov (if car equipped? 

With that said, what about being able to save and share car set ups between players? And what I'd really love, is for the crew being able to suggest set ups for a stage. They know as well as the co driver knows what the stage entails even if the driver doesnt.

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I don't get where do you all see "Dividing community" by making a difference with 1 car on preorder and special editions. Duh.
All big franchises are doing it now, get used to it - it will never ever change back to what it used to be.
If it works and they make more money then I'm happy to preorder. 

The community would be divided if it was a country to drive which would be exclusive. 

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