DiRTy Gossip about DIRT Rally Games

[warpengage 177]

I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC.

As for the announcement time, the DiRT Grand Final would be a nice place, if the new game uses DiRT branding. If it doesn't and it's just WRC 8, then they could also announce it during Rally Portugal, a very popular WRC event. What I do know is, if they're going to make something for this year, as Daniel Elena's leak suggests someone is working on something 2018 related, then the time to announce is starting to run out.

[VirtuaIceMan 92]

I wouldn't worry about timing; remember DiRT Rally launched as a surprise!

[warpengage 177]

And F1 2018 has been announced... do they have something else to show? I wonder.

[carpa 303]

dirt3joe said:

We are into solid territory now for the announcement of .... something ?!

i) 1 year ago almost to the day WRC7 was announced.

ii) Big Bens Finance report I think end May.

iii) Big Ben stand at E3.

iv) E3 mid June.

Problem is that if there is going to be some sort of announcement by Codies that will make them awfully busy. Got Onrush release, F1 2018 and maybe XXX to announce all within a few weeks ? Time for the pro plus or expresso from hell.

F1 2018 was sort of announced today so you were right. But given how little the announcement says I think it didn't take long for them to do it

[warpengage 177]

dirt3joe said:

Time for the pro plus or expresso from hell.

Expresso, then add some original Coca Cola, then some RedBull and mix in a bit of cinnamon. Energy galore.

[RodgerDavies 933]

don't be that guy, don't be that guy, don't be that......


I give up


eSpresso

warpengage said:

I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC.

It would cost them a lot less to make though; they already have the rules, half the tracks, most of the cars and, clearly, a good relationship with a promoter who actually sees the value in games to promote their championship, instead of as a purely direct money-making licencing tool.

[dwkGravey 0]

That "like" is for the WRX part, and the espresso part.

[bogani 756]

RodgerDavies said:

don't be that guy, don't be that guy, don't be that......


I give up


eSpresso

warpengage said:

I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC.

It would cost them a lot less to make though; they already have the rules, half the tracks, most of the cars and, clearly, a good relationship with a promoter who actually sees the value in games to promote their championship, instead of as a purely direct money-making licencing tool.

Yeah, I just don't think enough people would pay full price for it. Maybe 29$ or something like that?

Excuse me, I will now go have an eXXpresso.

 B) 

[Oscar97 25]

bogani said:

Yeah, I just don't think enough people would pay full price for it. Maybe 29$ or something like that?

I could see it sell for 60€ if it's got all the championship's tracks (plus Lydden Hill as it's already made), all the 2018 teams and drivers (although the Mégane RS and the i20 licenses would probably be extremely hard to get), a fair amount of S1600s and touring cars, and maybe the Speedcar they've got in DiRT 4, and it would have a fair amount of content.

But I'm not sure if there's a big enough audience for that.

[Fedemaisonnave 48]

Oscar97 said:

bogani said:

Yeah, I just don't think enough people would pay full price for it. Maybe 29$ or something like that?

I could see it sell for 60€ if it's got all the championship's tracks (plus Lydden Hill as it's already made), all the 2018 teams and drivers (although the Mégane RS and the i20 licenses would probably be extremely hard to get), a fair amount of S1600s and touring cars, and maybe the Speedcar they've got in DiRT 4, and it would have a fair amount of content.

But I'm not sure if there's a big enough audience for that.

No rally no buy for me

[stephensmattlee 239]

Anyone willing to speculate on what Codemasters posted from the DiRT twitter page? 
“Nice that @Formula1game gets to announce a new game and that @onrushgame get to launch a beta today! Very cool. 

... Not the coolest thing going on at @Codemasters though, if you ask us. ??”

Sounds like something big is going on behind the scenes related to the DiRT series :)

[warpengage 177]

stephensmattlee said:

Anyone willing to speculate on what Codemasters posted from the DiRT twitter page? 
“Nice that @Formula1game gets to announce a new game and that @onrushgame get to launch a beta today! Very cool. 

... Not the coolest thing going on at @Codemasters though, if you ask us. ??”

Sounds like something big is going on behind the scenes related to the DiRT series :)

Oh they are so hiding something. Yes, "OF COURSE" it's just the World Championships, they've been doing nothing other than organizing that. :D

[Fedemaisonnave 48]

stephensmattlee said:

Anyone willing to speculate on what Codemasters posted from the DiRT twitter page? 
“Nice that @Formula1game gets to announce a new game and that @onrushgame get to launch a beta today! Very cool. 

... Not the coolest thing going on at @Codemasters though, if you ask us. ??”

Sounds like something big is going on behind the scenes related to the DiRT series :)

It must be WRC8

[stephensmattlee 239]

DiRT 5, DiRT Rally 2 or WRC 2018... place your bets ;)

[warpengage 177]

stephensmattlee said:

DiRT 5, DiRT Rally 2 or WRC 2018... place your bets ;)

DiRT Rally 2 with officially licensed WRC content? Like DiRT 3 had?

Actually, come to think about it, they announced F1 2018 with the logo, then 2018 and below "The Official Videogame".

So announce WRC 2018 The Official Videogame.

[Oscar97 25]

Honestly, DiRT Rally isn't massively different from other DiRT games IMO, so I don't think there would be any difference between DiRT Rally 2 and DiRT 5, other than the name DiRT Rally 2 maybe being less marketable.

[stephensmattlee 239]

Oscar97 said:

Honestly, DiRT Rally isn't massively different from other DiRT games IMO, so I don't think there would be any difference between DiRT Rally 2 and DiRT 5, other than the name DiRT Rally 2 being less marketable.

Do think it’s too soon for DiRT 5 with the last game being less than a year old, kind of takes that one out of the running. 
DiRT Rally 2 would please a lot of fans but like you say may not be quite as marketable?
WRC 2018 however seems the likely contender given the lack of news from anywhere else on the next instalment in the WRC series.  
...Plus Paul Rustchynsky did say at the start of the developer conference for Onrush that Codemasters were “forging a new era to become the worlds number one racing studio”.  
How better to kick start that new era than to not only have the official F1 game license but also the official WRC license too. Just food for thought ;)

[warpengage 177]

stephensmattlee said:

Oscar97 said:

Honestly, DiRT Rally isn't massively different from other DiRT games IMO, so I don't think there would be any difference between DiRT Rally 2 and DiRT 5, other than the name DiRT Rally 2 being less marketable.

Do think it’s too soon for DiRT 5 with the last game being less than a year old, kind of takes that one out of the running. 
DiRT Rally 2 would please a lot of fans but like you say may not be quite as marketable?
WRC 2018 however seems the likely contender given the lack of news from anywhere else on the next instalment in the WRC series.  
...Plus Paul Rustchynsky did say at the start of the developer conference for Onrush that Codemasters were “forging a new era to become the worlds number one racing studio”.  
How better to kick start that new era than to not only have the official F1 game license but also the official WRC license too. Just food for thought ;)

Considering F1 and WRC are two of the largest giants, in terms of viewership worldwide. They already have a F1 Studio, a studio doing Arcade games (and they're good at it) and they have a rally studio. Give the Rally studio WRC and that's a step towards becoming the world's number 1 racing studio.

[Fedemaisonnave 48]

Please can @KickUp or @ChristinaMc confirm if we will have Toyota's and Skoda's... in next Codemasters Rally Game??  ;) ;) ;)

[RallyDriven 398]

I don’t really like the way everyone seems to put ‘dirt rally 2’ and ‘dirt 5’ as two completely different games. Dirt 4 has some handling flaws, but people seem to forget it was/is a simulator. The only difference between the two games was really budget and scale. Unfortunately not everything in the handling for dirt 4 improved over dirt rally for whatever reason, but that’s not to say that dirt 5 handling isn’t going to be as realistic is dirt rally 2 (not talking about any ‘gamer’ mode obviously)

[bogani 756]

RallyDriven said:

I don’t really like the way everyonyee seems to put ‘dirt rally 2’ and ‘dirt 5’ as two completely different games. Dirt 4 has some handling flaws, but people seem to forget it was/is a simulator. The only difference between the two games was really budget and scale. Unfortunately not everything in the handling for dirt 4 improved over dirt rally for whatever reason, but that’s not to say that dirt 5 handling isn’t going to be as realistic is dirt rally 2 (not talking about any ‘gamer’ mode obviously)

Yeahhh I don't know really. They tried to mix things up with D4 and combine fun with the more hardcore DR appeal. In the end it didn't really work in my opinion. Neither DR hardcore fans or fans of the more arcadey party type Dirt were really pleased in the end.

Let numbered Dirt titles be all about fun gameplay with infected/cat and mouse type of gameplay and let a potential Dirt Rally 2 be all about hard core rallying with RX as a side dish.

Just my two cents :)

[dani211212 328]

https://twitter.com/RacerBest/status/993787844819869696
"Interesting, the chinese WeGame version of DiRT4 got 2 new DLC cars, BYD Tang and BYD Qin. @dirtgame"

[warpengage 177]

dani211212 said:

https://twitter.com/RacerBest/status/993787844819869696
"Interesting, the chinese WeGame version of DiRT4 got 2 new DLC cars, BYD Tang and BYD Qin. @dirtgame"

These cars are already known. They were done specifically to help sell DiRT 4's chinese version, for their market only.

[tbtstt 2,387]

warpengage said:

I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 

I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 

[dirt3joe 0]

Something definitily feels up. F1 announcement much shorter than usual, no videos etc.

I notice PCars are releasing a mobile PCars game, which seems a bit weird seeing as it is sim orientated. Still haven't heard anything from them re the fast and the furious.