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I have said this in previous conversations on the subject, but I am yet to play a racing game where the interior camera feels anything like being in a real car.

I am sure that my TV setup is a factor: if I had triple monitors (or VR), then the onboard camera would seem better, but with a single monitor I don't have anywhere near the same range of vision as I do in a car.

I use bonnet camera in most driving game as it gives you a fairly similar representation of the peripheries of the car compared to real life and you get a similar range of vision. 

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you can mod games and if you have the tech money to have it as realistic as you want. the problem is most people dont have the amount of money or tech to do so.

just play how you want. i play in all ways. just depends on which game it is and how i want to play. if its a casual car game or on console probably play third person with controller. serious incar if the cams good enough or mainly bonnet/hood view.

its no harder in any if you get used to it.its just what you prefer.

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Porkhammer  in the documentary loeb his wife said that they were training on his simulator in his house and was training on real simulator to prepare the pikes peak with the 208 in cokpit view to be used to the sunburn and turns in dead zone video or we see loeb on dirt 4 in the final does not mean anything he tried the game and the steering wheel was set to be comfortable in the game because it turns less his steering wheel in dirt 4 if you look at the loeb onboard in WRX on Tv he uses a lot the handbrake and turns a lot more his steering wheel

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gk9147 said:
 MrDeap  maybe but me what makes me laugh is when I hear simracer who want to become pilots while they do not drive in good view personally I would like to see competitions e-sport official (GT, pcars ..... ) with the view cokpit it would be more interesting to watch and especially more serious ( I sometimes watch races on iracing except racing nascar turn round is annoying)


Racing sim is a tool for making setup & analyze placebo inputs. Removing the HUD contradict the use of a racing simulator. 

Experiment different views,  explore the track in all sort of angles & even drive the track in reverse is beneficial to get good result. Only limiting to cockpit view will limit your performance of your spatial visualization of the track. (although, it's definitely not the right way to play a rally game :P)

Changing the FOV only increase some placebo inputs due to bad 3d spatial awareness

http://racingcardynamics.com/lap-time-simulation-to-dil/
"Therefore, the users of this tool must have an understanding of how it works, what it can and what it can’t do."

Racing simulator mostly about how driving is like and attempted to base that handling and steering on it & you should profit around that idea.

None of racing simulator are very accurate, although trying all of them will decrease the chance of bad respond of the placebo(including Mario Kart which is a sim). 

In my opinion racing sim are great to learn new tracks. Exploiting the handling with the same car on a single track is not an ideal way to use of a racing simulator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1hNgZw3KA4

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gk9147 said:
Porkhammer  in the documentary loeb his wife said that they were training on his simulator in his house and was training on real simulator to prepare the pikes peak with the 208 in cokpit view to be used to the sunburn and turns in dead zone video or we see loeb on dirt 4 in the final does not mean anything he tried the game and the steering wheel was set to be comfortable in the game because it turns less his steering wheel in dirt 4 if you look at the loeb onboard in WRX on Tv he uses a lot the handbrake and turns a lot more his steering wheel

Punctuation, dude. Commas. Your post is a mess to read. Not that I can make sense of it anyway.

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MrDeap I know that simulation is not reality and in the video you show me, the person driving is in onboard views the proof that I am right. it is not with a view bumper or roof camera that you will learn a trajectory in reality

Porkhammer sorry for my Punctuation

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There's no correct view. You just use the view you prefer.
 
Valentino Rossi using 3rd person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bj3ZLDBCdY

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dgeesi0 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=omDQgDgIw_s
Co-Driver was stuck waiting for him to get out at the end, nasty crash.

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MrDeap said:
There's no correct view. You just use the view you prefer.
 
Valentino Rossi using 3rd person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bj3ZLDBCdY
On an unrelated note, the speaker placement on that rig is awful. The left, center, and right speakers are like 4 inches from each other.

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JZStudios said:
KevM said:
& that, my friends, is why Ken Block is a ****
Uh.... why exactly?
Well, destroying an Escort Cossie is a pretty damn bad crime in my books...

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carpa said:
JZStudios said:
KevM said:
& that, my friends, is why Ken Block is a ****
Uh.... why exactly?
Well, destroying an Escort Cossie is a pretty damn bad crime in my books...
It's sad to see a Group A EscCos get killed, but at least it went out being used for what it was built for rather than gathering dust in a museum. 

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Plenty of classic rally cars are showcased and driven in anger often.  They make it home after the day out.  He’s just a slabber, he tried to blame the gearbox too....  & why no plumbed fire-extinguisher?

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I don’t know why he keeps blaming the gearbox, yeah it did downshift strangely, but he was already on the line where he was going to hit that rock on the inside before that happened.

The fire couldn’t have been helped though, although I do question why they didn’t appear to have any fire extinguishers? I’ve heard someone say plumbed in extinguishers are not mandatory in rally America, which is madness! Not sure if it would have actually stopped this fire, but now we will never know

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I don’t know why he keeps blaming the gearbox, yeah it did downshift strangely, but he was already on the line where he was going to hit that rock on the inside before that happened.

The fire couldn’t have been helped though, although I do question why they didn’t appear to have any fire extinguishers? I’ve heard someone say plumbed in extinguishers are not mandatory in rally America, which is madness! Not sure if it would have actually stopped this fire, but now we will never know
I have always understood that plumbed in fire systems are there to buy the crew more time, not extinguish the fire. 

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tbtstt said:
I don’t know why he keeps blaming the gearbox, yeah it did downshift strangely, but he was already on the line where he was going to hit that rock on the inside before that happened.

The fire couldn’t have been helped though, although I do question why they didn’t appear to have any fire extinguishers? I’ve heard someone say plumbed in extinguishers are not mandatory in rally America, which is madness! Not sure if it would have actually stopped this fire, but now we will never know
I have always understood that plumbed in fire systems are there to buy the crew more time, not extinguish the fire. 
Pretty much, they will put out a small fire possibly, but to be honest once you get a fire it is usually incredibly difficult to put out. On the Nicky Grist Stages last weekend we passed a R2 Fiesta burned out in the road section, which would have had a well built in extinguisher, but still completely burned out

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tbtstt said:
carpa said:
JZStudios said:
KevM said:
& that, my friends, is why Ken Block is a ****
Uh.... why exactly?
Well, destroying an Escort Cossie is a pretty damn bad crime in my books...
It's sad to see a Group A EscCos get killed, but at least it went out being used for what it was built for rather than gathering dust in a museum. 
That particular car was driven in 1996 by Chris Holowczyc, former European Rally Champion (he also got an offer to drive for Subaru as a test driver after few impressive drives in WRC, but didn't accept that offer). Too bad it burned :(

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Looks like ONRUSH didn't impress. Most of the ex-Evolution team has been let go: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-23-layoffs-onrush-developer-evolution-driveclub-director-rushy-let-go

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sad but couldnt see any reason to make the title in the first place. look whats hot ? rally , f1 . seemed a weird project especially when all the big players are only sticking to " brands " . all in just didnt work. i dont get why they didnt do what they were best at and do a similar project to the last one. then again maybe that was too much risk money vs reward to do.


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Looks like ONRUSH didn't impress. Most of the ex-Evolution team has been let go: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-23-layoffs-onrush-developer-evolution-driveclub-director-rushy-let-go
Well, I'm sure marketing it as a regular racer from the get-go didn't help. They didn't say anything about the game modes before it was too late. Good job Codemasters, really worked out well for you.

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Yeah, that really sucks. Really got to suck to have your company close up, be bought by someone else, then close again after only 1 project.
I do kind of agree though, there is a market for arcade racers but I don't think Onrush was quite the right move. I saw some review somewhere where the guy said he couldn't tell what exactly him or his his team were doing to "win." The whole presentation was slick, but the gameplay was muddy. I didn't buy into it for various reasons, but maybe they should've remade something like Motorstorm or reignited Grid.

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