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4 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

That is reckoned to be the best example of the RS1700T in the world (and the most genuine in terms of specification). It's absolutely spotless outside...



...and inside. The owner of the RS1700T (Brian Betteridge) also owns an RS200:



Which is the cleanest RS200 I have ever looked around:

 

He didn't bring the RS200 this year though. 

The RS1700T is super cool, but I'd still rather have an RS200!

Yea I have read about that rs1700T. It's just perfect in every way IMO :classic_biggrin: But I have to say that I don't really like the rs200. :classic_wacko: Mostly because it's quite ugly.

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48 minutes ago, Murikka said:

Yea I have read about that rs1700T. It's just perfect in every way IMO :classic_biggrin: But I have to say that I don't really like the rs200. :classic_wacko: Mostly because it's quite ugly.

😲 BLASPHEMY! 

I can understand that, my love for the RS200 is more because of what it did in rallycross rather than how it looks: it's not pretty!

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1 hour ago, tbtstt said:

That is reckoned to be the best example of the RS1700T in the world (and the most genuine in terms of specification). It's absolutely spotless outside...

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...and inside. The owner of the RS1700T (Brian Betteridge) also owns an RS200:

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Which is the cleanest RS200 I have ever looked around:

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He didn't bring the RS200 this year though. 

The RS1700T is super cool, but I'd still rather have an RS200!

This dude is living his best life, damn.

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He’s not the youngest of chaps now either. I remember Brian from Rallycross back in the late 80’s/ early 90’s. He had an immaculate fwd mk4 Escort back then before switching to a 6R4 and sadly rolled it into a ball on what I seem to remember was his first outing with it at Lydden. 

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19 minutes ago, RichWard25 said:

He’s not the youngest of chaps now either. I remember Brian from Rallycross back in the late 80’s/ early 90’s. He had an immaculate fwd mk4 Escort back then before switching to a 6R4 and sadly rolled it into a ball on what I seem to remember was his first outing with it at Lydden. 

Yep, that's him! Several of the owners at the meet were definitely in their retirement: collecting and driving Group B cars is definitely doing retirement right!

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I was going to catch up with the Wales preview video later, however I have just been informed that @PJTierney declares that McRae raced a 22B in the video? Say it isn't so PJ...

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7 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

I was going to catch up with the Wales preview video later, however I have just been informed that @PJTierney declares that McRae raced a 22B in the video? Say it isn't so PJ...

1998 was a 22B year, no?

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18 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

1998 was a 22B year, no?

1998 was the year the car was raced, but the 22B was a road car, not a rally car...

...it's been a repeat topic on this forum (and it's predecessor) for many years: I expect the mods to lead by example! :classic_biggrin:

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27 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

I was going to catch up with the Wales preview video later, however I have just been informed that @PJTierney declares that McRae raced a 22B in the video? Say it isn't so PJ...

 

20 minutes ago, mwoodski said:

1998 was a 22B year, no?

 

Was the '98 WRC based off the 22B in any way?

 

I know Colin switched Imprezas as Group A ended, which is probably where I thought of 22B (by mistake it seems 🙂 ).

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They changed the car in 1997 and that model went on until 2000 before being replaced by the 2001 bug-eye.

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26 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

 

 

Was the '98 WRC based off the 22B in any way?

 

I know Colin switched Imprezas as Group A ended, which is probably where I thought of 22B (by mistake it seems 🙂 ).

Only 400 22bs were made I think. (My D&T teacher had one be worth silly money now). So not enough to meet homologation rules. I think all Factory cars were based on the WRX STI RA. They were lightened out of the showroom with no electric widows or AC or carpets. They also had shortened gearing. 

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31 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

 

 

Was the '98 WRC based off the 22B in any way?

 

I know Colin switched Imprezas as Group A ended, which is probably where I thought of 22B (by mistake it seems 🙂 ).

The 22B was a road car designed to emulate the look of the '97 (S4)/'98 (S5) World Rally Car. "22B" is homage to the rally car: it's hexdecimal for "555"

Colin owned a 22B (one of the #000 cars), but it was a road car, not a competition car. 

There is a complete post about it here: 
 

 

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24 minutes ago, Matt555 said:

Only 400 22bs were made I think. (My D&T teacher had one be worth silly money now). 

There were 424 cars built. The 22B was based on a Version 4 Type R chassis, all the RA were four doors. 

24 minutes ago, Matt555 said:

They were lightened out of the showroom with no electric widows or AC or carpets. They also had shortened gearing. 

Yeah, that's the RA specification you are describing there. The JDM 22B also had a close ratio box, the 16 official UK 22B's had a longer sixth gear fitted by Prodrive (along with a few other minor tweaks). 

The early Group A and Group N cars were derived from the RA (as they were a four door), the Impreza WRCars were based on Type R (two door) then standard production (GD chassis onwards) shells. 

 

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This is gonna get me started on the Sierra Cosworth/RS500 debate. It’s bugged me for years that Dirt games have referred to the Cosworth as an RS500. 

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27 minutes ago, RichWard25 said:

This is gonna get me started on the Sierra Cosworth/RS500 debate. It’s bugged me for years that Dirt games have referred to the Cosworth as an RS500. 

Haha, ditto! 

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@tbtstt You are a living info book about rally cars, eh!? 😄

Would you be so kind to explain the complete story of the Audi quattro in rally?

All versions from the very beginning to the 87' Group A and so on?

 

I try to find as many infos I can since my interest in rally rised with the older WRC X-Box 360 games and DiRT Rally, but I can't find definitive infos on what was before the Audi Sport quattro S1. A2? Long wheelbase version? Thats all I know. And what happened after '86? I know that Walter Röhrl still raced in '87 in a Audi quattro, but not very long?

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As far as I know, there was the A1 and A2 with long wheel bases. Then there was the Sport Quattro (no bodykit) then there was the S1 E1, which had 5 gears and a bodykit and finally the S1 E2 (also had a bodykit, had 6 gears and was a bit more powerful)

Pretty sure that was correct, but feel free to correct me on that one.

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2 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

@tbtstt You are a living info book about rally cars, eh!? 😄

Ha, not quite @UnderclassGDfan: I have just read too many books on the Impreza! 
 

2 minutes ago, UnderclassGDfan said:

@tbtstt You are a living info book about rally cars, eh!? 😄

Would you be so kind to explain the complete story of the Audi quattro in rally?

All versions from the very beginning to the 87' Group A and so on?

 

I try to find as many infos I can since my interest in rally rised with the older WRC X-Box 360 games and DiRT Rally, but I can't find definitive infos on what was before the Audi Sport quattro S1. A2? Long wheelbase version? Thats all I know. And what happened after '86? I know that Walter Röhrl still raced in '87 in a Audi quattro, but not very long?


The early rally quattros (A1 & A2) were long wheelbase, based on the Ur-quattro road car and originally entered under Group 4 regulations. The Sport quattro was a short wheelbase development of the Ur-quattro; the Sport quattro was the road car, the S1 was the original competition rally car and the E2 the winged evolution car which followed in 1985. 

Yeah, Rohrl used an E2 quattro at Pikes Peak in 1987. 

The history of the quattro is immense, if you want to learn all about the different versions then I would recommend this: 

https://www.rallyandracing.com/en/rallywebshop/books/cars/audi-quattro-the-rally-history?c=1404

It's not the cheapest book but it is, in my personal opinion, by far the best book you will find on the history of the quattro. All the McKlein books are awesome. 

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7 hours ago, gfRally said:

 If there is a season 3 or even 4, expect 4 to have stick-figures and bruumm brummm brummm for audio effects.  Its life of a DiRT release 🙂

Such is life in the Zone.

 

5 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, that was Nigel Mummery. Damage was a lot worse than it looked. Rear clam needs a bit of TLC and a couple of suspension bits are bent. Nigel has been rallying that car for a good few years, it will be back on the road soon!

I was gutted though, as I was going to ask for another ride in it before the end of the day!

Wait... someone who wasn't Mr. The Block crashed in an older classic? That's possible?

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6 minutes ago, Brain.exe has stopped said:

As far as I know, there was the A1 and A2 with long wheel bases. Then there was the Sport Quattro (no bodykit) then there was the S1 E1, which had 5 gears and a bodykit and finally the S1 E2 (also had a bodykit, had 6 gears and was a bit more powerful)

Pretty sure that was correct, but feel free to correct me on that one.

No such thing as the "S1 E1" and "S1 E2" is (useless fact alert) a widespread typo: it's just "E2", not "S1 E2". 

Audi Sport quattro (road car):

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Audi Sport quattro S1 

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Audi Sport quattro E2

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There were several upgrades planned for the E2, most significant of which was the sequential PDK gearbox.  

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4 hours ago, tbtstt said:

😲 BLASPHEMY! 

I can understand that, my love for the RS200 is more because of what it did in rallycross rather than how it looks: it's not pretty!

Awww, who wouldn't want to drive around in this little guy?

Image result for cute frog

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@tbtstt

Many thanks! Will probably buy that book next month when new money comes in with a big truck 😄

But the E2 had 5-gear-manual transmission, right?

And there are maaaaaaaaaany different infos on how many PS the car had at the end.

DR1 says the '84 had around 450? (Not sure right now) And DR2.0 says the E2 had 550.

And also the thing with the name: Turn 10 with Forza Motorsport 7 and Playground Games with Forza Horizon 4 (and there predecessors) call it "Audi Sport quattro S1" despite it looks like an E2. But having the Pikes Peak body kit as an option.

The road car is also in these games called "Audi Sport quattro".

I know of an interview with Turn 10, were they said, manufacturers are very picky with the names of their cars, even big or small letters are often important for them. Like "quattro" is always written in small. Always.

But Codemasters calls it "Audi Sport quattro S1 E2" on the leaderboards and menus.

(Theres also a typo in the garage on the Peugeot R5, if you look closely...bugs me somehow 😄 )

 

And...the Pikes Peak-version is an E2, just with a different body kit?

Or is it more like an unofficial E3?

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24 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

No such thing as the "S1 E1" and "S1 E2" is (useless fact alert) a widespread typo: it's just "E2", not "S1 E2". 

Audi Sport quattro (road car):

Well, you learn something new everyday

Thought I read it somewhere....

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26 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

No such thing as the "S1 E1" and "S1 E2" is (useless fact alert) a widespread typo: it's just "E2", not "S1 E2". 

Audi Sport quattro (road car):

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Audi Sport quattro S1 

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Audi Sport quattro E2

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There were several upgrades planned for the E2, most significant of which was the sequential PDK gearbox.  

True, however for whatever reason, Audi specifically wanted it referred to as it appears in-game currently.

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Pikes Peak body kits always had and have to have bigger wings because as you climb the mountain the air gets thinner which makes it difficult to maintain aerodynamics. 

 

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