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macebig said:
 So from the old table

Rally Group A
- Ford Escort RS Cosworth - Subaru Impreza 1995 - Lancia Delta HF Integrale - Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205

ST205 licensing problem.Probably completed


I'm really happy about the upcoming cars. and other stuff . Anyway, I feel very sorry that there are licensing problems in DR with a car brand, that had such an impressive impact in the history of World Rallying: TOYOTA.

Dont know if the licensing issue has been discussed more in detail about Toyota here, but if not pls @KickUp  could you at least mention a few words about this, we had Toyota in many CMR Rally Titles and even in Dirt 3 still. So it's quite hard to understand, why a brand should suddenly be so reluctant to refuse licensing on this ultimate rally Sim. Would appreciate any more detail here.  

 
The Toyota license issue has been talked to death on the forum already.
thx for your helpful post, wow.

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Spot on, the current cars are by no means easy to drive and they are doing so at even more insane speeds than Group B (and getting quicker). Ogier might make it look easy, just as Loeb did, but that doesn't mean he deserves any less respect (for his driving) than any of his more revered predecessors IMO.
I do think Ogier should have an Asterisk by his name in the record books for "lack of competition" though. :p
Darhour said:
What I meant by the electronic assists is that the mechanical components have transformed into electronic which means that the car helps the driver to maneuver it easily at high speeds. You know safety is keenly considerable these days unlike the golden days.
How far back do things like active diffs in wrc go? I've seen some places mention 1997, others I see 2003. I believe in '06 they got rid of them. I think there was some exceptions that still allowed them in certain cases though.

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^ I wouldn't say he has a lack of competition, there are a few drivers on equal speed terms as him, it's just his consistency which out performs everyone else

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Isn't being consistent part of being at a competitive/professional level? I don't see how you could be competitive without being consistent. Just as being quick is obviously a part of being competitive.

Edit: And let me add. That yes, there are a few that can equal or better Ogier in the speed department. They just lack the consistency portion. Would love to see Tanak do this consistently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU-P-YUQ_PA

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Yep. When I was rallying in the 70s, on a given rally, there was a stage (or two maybe) where I could beat Roger Clark or Ari Vatanen...but scores where they beat me! 

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Skroxs said:
Darhour said:
Early 2000 WRC cars were so much cooler than today's garbage. This'll be fun!
The notoriously luckiest "Sire" Ogier is pretty satisfied with the garbage he is "winning" titles with... What a joke! Seriously, what kind of cars are those when electronics dominated the field? Rallying today still misses that keen competition that put all the drivers into action with all they got without relying on the cars' electronic assists. 

I remember McRae dominating Australian stages which are narrow and tricky with a manual gearbox and a clutch.

Aside from this, I'm asking CM for the possibility of  HD remaking the classic rally games in the near future. That would be fun of course.
About the electronic assists:
From "article 255a (2015) - specific regulations for wrc (page 5)" states that: "Any electronic driving aid system is prohibited (ABS/ASR/EPS...)"
Spot on, the current cars are by no means easy to drive and they are doing so at even more insane speeds than Group B (and getting quicker). Ogier might make it look easy, just as Loeb did, but that doesn't mean he deserves any less respect (for his driving) than any of his more revered predecessors IMO.
Well said @RodgerDavies ! I fully agree; every era of the WRC (and the cars of every era) appeal in different ways. As you say, the simple fact is that the cars now are faster on stage than the monsters of the Group B era: and with "just" 1.6L engines! 

I think the 2017 rule changes are going to be very interesting: the cars will look meaner and have more power, which both sound great to me. The return of electronic diffs is the only slight negative, but with the hike in power they are talking about it may be a necessity 

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So, a van filled with stuff + devs to Barcelona RX this weekend. Upcoming circuit for the future?

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bogani said:
So, a van filled with stuff + devs to Barcelona RX this weekend. Upcoming circuit for the future?
Were you camped outside their office or do you work for Avis?

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yes does seem like we will probably get barcelona doesn't it or why would you go out there?


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dgeesi0 said:
yes does seem like we will probably get barcelona doesn't it or why would you go out there?


Because the organisers might be asking you to to promote their series or because it offers a good promotional opportunity.

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dgeesi0 said:
yes does seem like we will probably get barcelona doesn't it or why would you go out there?


Because the organisers might be asking you to to promote their series or because it offers a good promotional opportunity.
  understand that the promotional side makes it worth it but there must be another reason. i think maybe content or something to do with the game to come.

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That is possibly the ugliest car I have ever seen. The Avanti was prettier...
That i20 is ok looking, I prefer it more than the current model. It's that livery that's ugly, looks like a messed up version of the current i20 livery.

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dgeesi0 said:
dgeesi0 said:
yes does seem like we will probably get barcelona doesn't it or why would you go out there?


Because the organisers might be asking you to to promote their series or because it offers a good promotional opportunity.
  understand that the promotional side makes it worth it but there must be another reason. i think maybe content or something to do with the game to come.
  errr , RACC Catalunya Rally anyone ? :D
 

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Heading off to Barcelona RX in a van? The DiRTy devs must be shifting a lot of gear from UK to Spain!

If they're going there for more than work  (car sound recording? track research? new car research?) then they'll enjoy Barcelona - it's an amazing city!

Maybe the gear in the back of the van are rigs for a PvP session between drivers?

I do think they should find a challenge equivalent to partying at a local moose hunter house.. :)

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I like all this speculation about the cars, but cmon Finland is right around the corner!!  What are your speculations on which stage was modeled?  They said that the Finland stages are a little longer to make up for the speed you go through them, my guess (and hope) is Ouninpohja.  It's 34km which split in half into two mid length stages would be 17km which is a little longer than the longest stages we have so far.  If they follow the current model they have done stages that seems the most likely to me.

Makes sense right?  I hope so!  I have been trying to complete Ouninpohja on RBR for the last couple nights with no major incidents, unsuccessfully lol.  What a roller coaster butthole clenching stage that is, dear lord.


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griev0r said:
I like all this speculation about the cars, but cmon Finland is right around the corner!!  What are your speculations on which stage was modeled?  They said that the Finland stages are a little longer to make up for the speed you go through them, my guess (and hope) is Ouninpohja.  It's 34km which split in half into two mid length stages would be 17km which is a little longer than the longest stages we have so far.  If they follow the current model they have done stages that seems the most likely to me.

Makes sense right?  I hope so!  I have been trying to complete Ouninpohja on RBR for the last couple nights with no major incidents, unsuccessfully lol.  What a roller coaster butthole clenching stage that is, dear lord.
Makes sense to me! If not all 34 km between two stages, at least pretty close. Just doing some dangerously rough guesstimating, looking on juwra.com at the top speeds through the most recent runs through Ouninpohja, Hafren, and Panzerplatte Lang, they're about 129, 105, and 107 km/h respectively. So that makes Ouninpohja about 22% faster. Extending the longest stage in DR (Oberstein) by 22% would make it over 14 km, which would be run in the same time (at 130 km/h) as the current stages (at 105 km/h).

Science!

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dwkGravey said:
griev0r said:
I like all this speculation about the cars, but cmon Finland is right around the corner!!  What are your speculations on which stage was modeled?  They said that the Finland stages are a little longer to make up for the speed you go through them, my guess (and hope) is Ouninpohja.  It's 34km which split in half into two mid length stages would be 17km which is a little longer than the longest stages we have so far.  If they follow the current model they have done stages that seems the most likely to me.

Makes sense right?  I hope so!  I have been trying to complete Ouninpohja on RBR for the last couple nights with no major incidents, unsuccessfully lol.  What a roller coaster butthole clenching stage that is, dear lord.
Makes sense to me! If not all 34 km between two stages, at least pretty close. Just doing some dangerously rough guesstimating, looking on juwra.com at the top speeds through the most recent runs through Ouninpohja, Hafren, and Panzerplatte Lang, they're about 129, 105, and 107 km/h respectively. So that makes Ouninpohja about 22% faster. Extending the longest stage in DR (Oberstein) by 22% would make it over 14 km, which would be run in the same time (at 130 km/h) as the current stages (at 105 km/h).

Science!
Never seen that site. Lots of cool info. The look is a bit.... dated though to say the least ;)

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