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Just out of interest what is it about having the WRC licence that is so appealing to you guys? How would that make the game better in your eyes?

The worst situation would be if an official and full WRC licence would force Codemasters to make a game the promotor would want. If Codemasters are able to licence great locations from outside of WRC and individually include modern and past WRC as well as lower category cars; and create an authentic and full of content experience then that would be ideal :) Easy right? :P

Hypothetically speaking... What if it couldn't have that other stuff too, what if having the WRC licence meant just having WRC and WRC only, no Hillclimb, Rallycross, Dakar, ERC, Rally America, Group B, 90's or any of the other stuff you've mentioned before and that we've had in our previous games. 

Would you still want WRC at the cost of all that other stuff?

Hmmm that would be a hard one,....
I think first we have to tell what we think a WRC license would contain.
My personally thought about the WRC license is:
- Current WRC cars
- All the cars (WRC cars) that once compete in the WRC Championship ( including Group B etc etc. )
- All current WRC Manufacures
- All the Manufacures that once compete in the WRC Championship 
- All current stages/tracks
- Current WRC drivers
- All the drivers that compete in the WRC once.

Thats what in my opinion is the WRC license. ( Thats including Group B, 90's, S2000, R5 Group N etc etc.)

Back to your question Lee; in that case I do want the WRC game by droping:
Hillclimb, Dakar, ERC, Rally America, and sadly Rallycross.

If the WRC license only contain the current WRC License, then I only should ask if their was an option to add an version like by F1 2013, something like a classic edition. what should contain Group B, and Group A (90's)

If in both ways it couldnt get the WRC license

Then I personally think,the best option is for Codemasters not to focus on the WRC only,
but combine rally with the part of Rallycross..
In other words , WRC + WRXC Championship...

I think Rallycross and WRC (rally) are the most important from the list.

U can better do 2 sports good, then make like 8 racing sports half,...
U can see that in DiRT3 , the missing of specific rally or rallycross rules etc etc made the game in my opinion less good. ( specially missing the Joker Lap, qualifications (in rallycross), and real rally schedules in rallying with service after a few stages etc etc .

So last time back to your question.
I do not mind what it will be, as long as their is rally/rallycross involved and that it is authentic.

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Hypothetically speaking... What if it couldn't have that other stuff too, what if having the WRC licence meant just having WRC and WRC only, no Hillclimb, Rallycross, Dakar, ERC, Rally America, Group B, 90's or any of the other stuff you've mentioned before and that we've had in our previous games. 

Would you still want WRC at the cost of all that other stuff?

Since Codemasters put out the style of rally game that *I* like, my hand would be forced to buy it.  I don't mean that in a really negative way, what ever comes out I will play it and enjoy it.  But there will still be the void and longing for those other places.  


I really think this may be a little bit of a American and European perspective.  We here have aspired to see the mythical legends of WRC here in the US, but since we don't its more grassroots here.  Its smaller and more intimate, we can volunteer to help out the event, working timing control points, marshals, or even help out the smaller teams.  Drivers are very accessible, you can meet up with them at bars (pubs) diners, etc.  There are a lot of major sports here in the US (American Football, Baseball, even NASCAR) and they are huge, but lack all of the above.  This is what we are used to here, so you love what you have.

Again, I don't know everything about rally, especially outside the US.  I know events and drivers in WRC and some European RallyCross, but there is little TV coverage and very limited official Live or Recorded full WRC events on the internet that I know of.  


This doesn't mean that I think the US is the center of the world and the only customer CM should care about.  Its just my perspective.  

In the end, Rally is Rally, wherever it is, who ever it is, its MY sport and I will support whatever CM offers.



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Just out of interest what is it about having the WRC licence that is so appealing to you guys? How would that make the game better in your eyes?

The worst situation would be if an official and full WRC licence would force Codemasters to make a game the promotor would want. If Codemasters are able to licence great locations from outside of WRC and individually include modern and past WRC as well as lower category cars; and create an authentic and full of content experience then that would be ideal :) Easy right? :P

Hypothetically speaking... What if it couldn't have that other stuff too, what if having the WRC licence meant just having WRC and WRC only, no Hillclimb, Rallycross, Dakar, ERC, Rally America, Group B, 90's or any of the other stuff you've mentioned before and that we've had in our previous games. 

Would you still want WRC at the cost of all that other stuff?

It is a tough one... My personal preference would be to have a DiRT style game, which in mind means an off-road racing game with most of the focus on rally and rallycross. If the WRC licence means we'd be limited to only current cars and have no rallycross then my answer would be NO :)

Just as the other guys pointed if the WRC licence allowed for historic cars and lower rally classes then I could live with that. However, the direction WRC is heading with some strange (innovative?) changes to the rally format I'm not sure I'd want that. What if the WRC license forced the game user to follow WRC form and not allow to choose what we have had in the past or now?

I'd also miss rallycross in such a game too... I have found the recent rise in its profile very interesting and the racing in World RX has been simply fantastic. 

So to answer the hypothetical question by @justbiglee if having the full WRC licence meant dropping other off-road or partially off-road disciplines or licences (World RX) then my preference would be against it.

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@GentleNameMVB‌ 

I have to agree with this point too, if it's just WRC then it's not DiRT it's WRC.  

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I think something like the original Colin McRae Rally game, where you have locations in-line with real life WRC events, or some real-life events like Monte Carlo.

I'm guessing that the official WRC license may limit the game to just the current year's teams/drivers (and junior teams/drivers), as that's what WRC4 had, compared to WRC3 (which had Group B etc plus events in a style of DiRT). Perhaps the FIA tightened up on what can be allowed in a WRC game, or the developers/publishers decided to make the game smaller and more focussed on the 2013 season alone, I don' t know.

Looking at DiRT3, I like how there were WRC teams/liveries in the game, if Codemasters can just go that way then that's fair enough, combined with maybe some events in the same sort of countries (e.g. Monte Carlo), but I'd love it to be a wider experience with Rally Cross, Hillclimb, etc, as it adds more variety.

So I think the way Dirt3 went, but with even more rally focus, would be good. Longer stages would be preferred (though I realise it's more work!), rather than splitting up one long stage into repeating/overlapped/reverse stages (some of the huge stages in Mobil1 Rally Championship 2000 on PC were really epic).

However, if Codemasters ever did do a WRC game, with nothing but WRC, then it'd be great if it could be properly accurate, with real life stages. Perhaps even release each rally as DLC but have all the real stages at full length! Pipe dream I know, but that way Codemasters could keep on releasing worthwhile desirable DLC all year long, and we'd end up with the most accurate rally game ever!

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Looking at DiRT3, I like how there were WRC teams/liveries in the game, if Codemasters can just go that way then that's fair enough, combined with maybe some events in the same sort of countries (e.g. Monte Carlo), but I'd love it to be a wider experience with Rally Cross, Hillclimb, etc, as it adds more variety.

So I think the way Dirt3 went, but with even more rally focus, would be good. Longer stages would be preferred (though I realise it's more work!), rather than splitting up one long stage into repeating/overlapped/reverse stages (some of the huge stages in Mobil1 Rally Championship 2000 on PC were really epic).

However, if Codemasters ever did do a WRC game, with nothing but WRC, then it'd be great if it could be properly accurate, with real life stages. Perhaps even release each rally as DLC but have all the real stages at full length! Pipe dream I know, but that way Codemasters could keep on releasing worthwhile desirable DLC all year long, and we'd end up with the most accurate rally game ever!

Spot on! If following a release of the game (DiRT X or DiRT: WRC or else) there was a schedule of what locations, car categories or features will be developed and offered either as Season Pass deal, individual pricing as per DLC or subscription of some sort then Codemasters would have the backing and justification needed for an expensive and lengthy process of development of new content.

GRID Autosport has announced a skeleton of a schedule for the DLC and that is a step forward. I appreciate that it's difficult to put dates in stone as delays creep in here and there, but for a customer to commit a decent amount of money it is important to know what he'll be getting.

Back to DiRT - just as @VirtuaIceMan wrote above I'd see the next DiRT game as DiRT 3 with a bigger proportion of content and focus on rally (60%...?) and rallycross (30%...?) and other disciplines for a bit of variety (10%). With regards to the approach to licencing I'd stick to how it was done with DiRT 3 or if possible get ERC for rally, World RX for RX and strive to licence current WRC machines without the promoters licence.

Even @KickUp 's birthday gift choice can serve as DiRTi Gossip material:

https://twitter.com/Hatward/status/491488762400997377

Acropolis/Greece stages to be in the next game? Ford Escort MkII would be just as welcome :)


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I was pondering Ken Block and Travis Pestranas schedule is over this past year, there have been some scheduling conflicts with their rally and other events.  I mentioned this a while back on the wish list thread, but it somewhat applies to this conversation too.  What if there are different career paths to follow?  Maybe it could be played out similar to how these guys work:  you are given a season schedule of various disaplins, Stage rally, rally cross, stadium truck, Baja/mint 400 types of events.  now some would overlap, and you would have to pick and choose which you can compete in. maybe you just run a complete stage rally season and are able to win a championship.  Or take one 2 or three Rallycross events, stadium truck events, and a raid, you won't get a series trophy but you will get a certain number of points to win a season.  IDK maybe this is just what we have in D3?  




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@GentleNameMVB‌ Just saw this tweet: https://twitter.com/aljungbe/status/491642124702863360

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Don't think it is worth the money getting the official licences.

You could buy a lot of devs to put in much more content for that money. I went on the web to try and find out how much these sorts of licences cost, and from what I could tell the prices are interesting to say the least. You could get a whole army of graphic artists creating loads of extra stages for that sort of dosh.

If I had a choice between Dirt3 having the wrc licence or 2x the track content I would go for the track content every time.

Edit : F1 I think is different to wrc.

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dirt3joe said:
Don't think it is worth the money getting the official licences.

You could buy a lot of devs to put in much more content for that money. I went on the web to try and find out how much these sorts of licences cost, and from what I could tell the prices are interesting to say the least. You could get a whole army of graphic artists creating loads of extra stages for that sort of dosh.

If I had a choice between Dirt3 having the wrc licence or 2x the track content I would go for the track content every time.

Edit : F1 I think is different to wrc.

I agree with u about some parts.  I do like more content and no WRC license,

But the fact is, as for Dirt 3 that the amount of tracks wasn't that much as 12 WRC rallies. ( i think D3 had 5 rally countries from max 5 stages) So I think that one is already busted.
Beside the point because codemaster dont focuse at 1 or 2 sports, they had to makke for 4 other types of racing sport tracks, in my opinon that was a waste of time.
for example i didnt liked the buggies or baya,.or hillclimb. my intrest is in rallycross and rally.
And i do think that 80% of the codemaster rally fans ( read the buyers from the CMR games until Dirt serie) Are mostely ( almost all) intrested in rally and rallycross.

A full focus on WRC is in that case with full focus on rally a really good strategy point.
U have to focuse at 1 sport, and u can do that with all the people.
It will make the 1 racing sport ( for example rally) authentic, good and u got in my opinion more tracks for the rallysport.
I do think u can combine this with real rallycross tracks, sinds their only 12 rallycross tracks, and the track stays the same.

I am not saying the WRC license is a must, for example if u focuse on the ERC championship that will be also good. ( or as the old game Mobil 1 Rally Championship did) focus on the FULL Britisch rallychampionship.
 1 focus, 1 goal, 1 team behind 1 racing sport = number 1 rally game for every country.

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Just out of interest what is it about having the WRC licence that is so appealing to you guys? How would that make the game better in your eyes?

The worst situation would be if an official and full WRC licence would force Codemasters to make a game the promotor would want. If Codemasters are able to licence great locations from outside of WRC and individually include modern and past WRC as well as lower category cars; and create an authentic and full of content experience then that would be ideal :) Easy right? :P

Hypothetically speaking... What if it couldn't have that other stuff too, what if having the WRC licence meant just having WRC and WRC only, no Hillclimb, Rallycross, Dakar, ERC, Rally America, Group B, 90's or any of the other stuff you've mentioned before and that we've had in our previous games. 

Would you still want WRC at the cost of all that other stuff?

My personal opinion is no, I wouldn't want to sacrifice the other content for the sake of a full WRC license. Considering the rally element of DiRT 3, I really like the mixture of content  and I am hoping for more variety of rally cars/rally content in the next CM rally game, not less. 

I'm also "quite keen" on rallycross, so I really want to see that well represented in the next DiRT. 

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I agree about the licensing. Id rather not have it if it meant more content. Dirt 3 is a great game but lacks variety in terms of rally. I really dont like repeating the same track with a change at a junction to make it slightly different.

In Terms of rally and the current generation of consoles. The original dirt cant be beaten for content. there was so much more coutries for rally and so much other content in the other discplines.  the only drawback was the selection of cars. i would be happy with a game that followed the same lines as the original dirt with improved handling and much more licensed cars and not concepts. particular in the WRC cars selection. Id rather there cars were licensed over the actually WRC license.


Hypothetically speaking... What if it couldn't have that other stuff too, what if having the WRC licence meant just having WRC and WRC only, no Hillclimb, Rallycross, Dakar, ERC, Rally America, Group B, 90's or any of the other stuff you've mentioned before and that we've had in our previous games. 

Would you still want WRC at the cost of all that other stuff?

Is the above a hint as to what we can expect or something you may be looking into??

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gfRally said:

Is it me or is the rumor mill on strike?

DasEire said:

Is the above a hint as to what we can expect or something you may be looking into??

I wonder why @justbiglee asked this questions here. It could be an usual move to spark a conversation and gather what the community thinks or wishes for. However, let's assume that the next DiRT game will come out in first half of 2015 - is now the time when the game creators would make such a decision? I don't know... I would suspect that the designers and management would have already agreed on a vision and format for the game. 

If the target for release is first half of 2015 then the team would have liked to know what kind of game they're making sooner than 12 months before the release. My guess is that creation or improvement of the game engine (handling physics and visuals) and track/stage modelling takes the longest so a decision how to structure that in the game may come in later. Would there be a reason why DiRTi Codies couldn't use what they have and make it a WRC game? There probably is and I would guess that the reason is that WRC X is not the game they want to make (and it seems that the full licence is with BigBen)

Based on what was said above it seems that most of community members posting here like the fact that the DiRT franchise stands for a bit of variety and that we would like to have a game which distilled the best from rally (as the main focus of the game), rallycross and some other types of racing.

So it seems that @justbiglee just wanted us to shoot off on a tangent and 'not pay attention to the man behind the curtain...' :P 

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https://twitter.com/Kick_Up/status/491926797291122688

Hmmm... 

Pat Doran's rallycross RS200, the very car that got me into rallycross.  <3

Sadly caught fire at Lydden earlier this year, I understand it will be back in action at Loheac. I can't wait!

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gfRally said:

Is it me or is the rumor mill on strike?

DasEire said:

Is the above a hint as to what we can expect or something you may be looking into??

I wonder why @justbiglee asked this questions here. It could be an usual move to spark a conversation and gather what the community thinks or wishes for. However, let's assume that the next DiRT game will come out in first half of 2015 - is now the time when the game creators would make such a decision? I don't know... I would suspect that the designers and management would have already agreed on a vision and format for the game. 

If the target for release is first half of 2015 then the team would have liked to know what kind of game they're making sooner than 12 months before the release. My guess is that creation or improvement of the game engine (handling physics and visuals) and track/stage modelling takes the longest so a decision how to structure that in the game may come in later. Would there be a reason why DiRTi Codies couldn't use what they have and make it a WRC game? There probably is and I would guess that the reason is that WRC X is not the game they want to make (and it seems that the full licence is with BigBen)

Based on what was said above it seems that most of community members posting here like the fact that the DiRT franchise stands for a bit of variety and that we would like to have a game which distilled the best from rally (as the main focus of the game), rallycross and some other types of racing.

So it seems that @justbiglee just wanted us to shoot off on a tangent and 'not pay attention to the man behind the curtain...' :P 

No, I think he is gently trying to point out that everything in the world is built to a price and any game has a set budget for content, and that if you want to include things like licences in the game then you will lose other things like track content/discplines and cars etc. It would be great to have everything, but the world doesn't work like that. 

My guess is the rumor mill is a bit slow because a lot of people are  on holiday this time of year plus they are all gearing up for the F1 announcement.

I think you are right that the ideas they have for a new rally game are already pretty set. It will be interesting to see what they are !

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So we've got some movement on the DiRT Gossip front. Bad news is that I have no idea what the following chain of tweets means...

https://twitter.com/justbiglee/status/492409379766145024

https://twitter.com/Britpoint1/status/492417647657910272

https://twitter.com/Kick_Up/status/492419406656704512

https://twitter.com/MrHarveyParker/status/492427968564977664

https://twitter.com/MrHarveyParker/status/492431068172402689

https://twitter.com/justbiglee/status/492614093334134784


Could this be that the next DiRT (4?) is out of Alpha stage and into Beta stage? :O 

Or do the 'a' and 'b' references have something to do with Codemasters' plans A and B? No idea...

And this:

https://twitter.com/justbiglee/status/492615114752016384

The fourth in series of game builds/stages? The fourth in series of games? The Greek letter Δ - Delta would be a pretty cool substitute for '4'.

Delta could also be a reference to a Lancia car. 

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I start to believe that @justbiglee and the other guys in Codies HQ work for some secret agency, or at least they're trying too! Following that chat made my head hurt... I believe that at this point not even the NSA knows whats going on in there :P

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 :# Haha its funny to see all the guessing when u know a "little bit" more of it.
But yhea.. even all the theories from @GentleNameMVB made my head hurts


And @Evilsmurf i guess drunk tweets are top trending these days at codemasters,
I guess all people over there at Codemasters are ready for a holiday/ break from hard working!  ;-) :p

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Evilsmurf said:

:D

They need to stop tweeting drunk

Haha! First thing I think of when I see the word Delta is Lancia... but god knows what it means in the context of that tweet. 

I'm sure @justbiglee‌ will be along in a minute to tell us absolutely nothing. :smiley: 

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Well thanks everyone for calling me a lunatic! :open_mouth: 

Quote from Codies Weekly Update:

The big question on everybody’s lips in the DiRT studio this week is “What was 4a?” we’ll never know… and neither will you, we just enjoy tormenting you.

Great...



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Well thanks everyone for calling me a lunatic! :open_mouth: 

Quote from Codies Weekly Update:

The big question on everybody’s lips in the DiRT studio this week is “What was 4a?” we’ll never know… and neither will you, we just enjoy tormenting you.

Great...



I used to think dirt team was a great , now they have resorted to virtual waterboarding like torture :smile: 


I'd just hope a teaser trailer happens soon

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