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KickUp said:
PaloSamo said:
It makes me wonder if there is any quality control at Codemasters. Bugs here and there, and now these co-driver issues. If there is a vacancy I am more than happy to help (my co-driver mod is checked thoroughly before release) :wink: 
There is Quality Control but very few (if any) are a rally specialist. We have a limited amount of foreign language testers and the codriver audio is a huge volume of work that was included very late in the day hence why these issues are present in the current game. I can only apologise for them existing and we are fixing what we can. 
I personally check the English codriver calls because I write them with Jon Tucker and then record them. The foreign language calls are recorded separately and then checked by our testers. Sadly the only rally specialists that use them are you guys which is why it is really important that you tell us when things are wrong. 
No offence @KickUp , I understand the situation but it seems like you could use some help from foreign community testers few day before releases. ;)  I'm pretty sure you could find at least one in each country that could be trustable.

On the other side of the coin that tight release date that you guys had before christmas...I guess that was nervous. ;]

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BrySkye said:
teknoid85 said:
you can make one voice (the first-in italian) for all stages??????     so,   finland and sweden have the new (ugly voice).  all stages
More likely that the old voice will be replaced by the new one.
hopefully not :D

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versedi said:
KickUp said:
PaloSamo said:
It makes me wonder if there is any quality control at Codemasters. Bugs here and there, and now these co-driver issues. If there is a vacancy I am more than happy to help (my co-driver mod is checked thoroughly before release) :wink: 
There is Quality Control but very few (if any) are a rally specialist. We have a limited amount of foreign language testers and the codriver audio is a huge volume of work that was included very late in the day hence why these issues are present in the current game. I can only apologise for them existing and we are fixing what we can. 
I personally check the English codriver calls because I write them with Jon Tucker and then record them. The foreign language calls are recorded separately and then checked by our testers. Sadly the only rally specialists that use them are you guys which is why it is really important that you tell us when things are wrong. 
No offence @KickUp , I understand the situation but it seems like you could use some help from foreign community testers few day before releases. ;)  I'm pretty sure you could find at least one in each country that could be trustable.

On the other side of the coin that tight release date that you guys had before christmas...I guess that was nervous. ;]
It was very tight. 

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versedi said:
you could use some help from foreign community testers few day before releases. ;) 

It'd have to be a lot more than a few days if you wanted things identifying and fixed. :P 

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KickUp said:
JuanDíaz said:
teknoid85 said:
@KickUp 

hello paul

for the future if i can give you a suggestion  try  to select  and hold the codriver voices better.  

and try to take people who have a neutral speak  and not  those southitalian accent  (calabria/sicily.etc.)

i switched on german because of that (i'm italian but my mother is german= i know 3languages :D ) , and german too has  two different voices, and sometimes  near the end of the stages   the last corners are spelled by you in english :)
Something similar happens in Spanish, at Sweden, in one stage, the last corner is spelled in english
If you can tell me the exact stages these happen on I can check that we are fixing them in the next update. 
Sorry, until next weekend I can't play because I'm not at my home due to work issues. Next weekend I'll check that issues and I tell you the stages with troubles. Thank you for your attention.

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No offence, but even not a rally specialist can hear the difference between two voices (not to mention languages). I know roughly how making Co-Driver voice can be hard, because me and versedi are trying to achieve it right now ;) But I don't want to pick on you guys, as you have done a wonderful job, probably on tight budget and with limited time. Well done. 

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KickUp said:
versedi said:
KickUp said:
PaloSamo said:
It makes me wonder if there is any quality control at Codemasters. Bugs here and there, and now these co-driver issues. If there is a vacancy I am more than happy to help (my co-driver mod is checked thoroughly before release) :wink: 
There is Quality Control but very few (if any) are a rally specialist. We have a limited amount of foreign language testers and the codriver audio is a huge volume of work that was included very late in the day hence why these issues are present in the current game. I can only apologise for them existing and we are fixing what we can. 
I personally check the English codriver calls because I write them with Jon Tucker and then record them. The foreign language calls are recorded separately and then checked by our testers. Sadly the only rally specialists that use them are you guys which is why it is really important that you tell us when things are wrong. 
No offence @KickUp , I understand the situation but it seems like you could use some help from foreign community testers few day before releases. ;)  I'm pretty sure you could find at least one in each country that could be trustable.

On the other side of the coin that tight release date that you guys had before christmas...I guess that was nervous. ;]
It was very tight. 
That's what he said.

(sorry)

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PaloSamo said:
No offence, but even not a rally specialist can hear the difference between two voices (not to mention languages). I know roughly how making Co-Driver voice can be hard, because me and versedi are trying to achieve it right now ;) But I don't want to pick on you guys, as you have done a wonderful job, probably on tight budget and with limited time. Well done. 
The difference between two voices issue has happened because the people who recorded the first set of calls left and so we had to replace them. It is not our intention to leave it like that. It is a known issue that we will be fixing but we ran out of time for the December release. 

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I'm wondering if that crazy release date was caused by christmas buying time (don't know how to call it) or by SLRE release date ;) Maybe both.  Most probably we'll never know but I hope that it had significant influence on sales. :)

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PaloSamo said:
No offence, but even not a rally specialist can hear the difference between two voices (not to mention languages). I know roughly how making Co-Driver voice can be hard, because me and versedi are trying to achieve it right now ;) But I don't want to pick on you guys, as you have done a wonderful job, probably on tight budget and with limited time. Well done. 
The grounds of your praise is exactly why those minor issues exist; limited time as well as unfortunate and untimely events. Just be happy they're not game-breaking issues like what has been seen on the other side of Codemasters with F1 2015, as well as too many other games from other developers. 

The quality control comment was a tad rude, considering the size of the project and the fact that the majority of the game throughout early access was pristine for a product taking that path of development.  

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@KickUp 

for now i can confirm you that in finland and sweden  italian language is different  from the other locations.  other language user confirm  moro or less the same (spanish,german)

for  some corners in english  i will go deeper and report it to you ;)

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versedi said:
I'm wondering if that crazy release date was caused by christmas buying time (don't know how to call it) or by SLRE release date ;) Maybe both.  Most probably we'll never know but I hope that it had significant influence on sales :)
We had originally planned for the end of November but decided to give it an extra week. We didn't want to leave it any later though. 

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KickUp said:
There is Quality Control but very few (if any) are a rally specialist. We have a limited amount of foreign language testers and the codriver audio is a huge volume of work that was included very late in the day hence why these issues are present in the current game. I can only apologise for them existing and we are fixing what we can. 
I personally check the English codriver calls because I write them with Jon Tucker and then record them. The foreign language calls are recorded separately and then checked by our testers. Sadly the only rally specialists that use them are you guys which is why it is really important that you tell us when things are wrong. 
Ok, so it's kind of a big issue. I will help in all I can for spanish co-driver. First thing, I was wrong. The last countries (Finland and Sweden) have the new co-driver both for countdown and pace notes in spanish. Were the rest of rallies where the countdown and finish use the new co-driver and the pace notes the old one. In the first patches I thought he was a marshal not the new co-driver.
About the english notes glitch I only heard it in a particular stage at the very end of it (only a couple of turns). I am not sure, I believe it was Finland. I will play in Finland and Sweden these days to check it out. Maybe it was solved in the last patches, I didn't focus on the new spanish co-driver because until patch 1.0 Finland was almost broken (completely desynchronized), I was patient because of the early acces.

About the voice itself. The old co-driver in spanish is slightly better. The new one is quite robotic and even the audio mix sound more far and electronic, I don't know if it's trying to emulate the headset. @KickUp as you've told us I suppose the new will redo all the old notes. In both cases they are clearly voice actors who try to mimic your british style. This is more a suggestion or personal wish but this co-driver is far from ideal in spanish. We spanish fans prefer a more intense and agressive co-driver. I think a big reason is Luis Moya, Carlos Sainz co-driver. The notes are in crescendo, even shouting. We name that to "sing the notes".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnA9FpXfMiY

Sebastien Loeb Evo Rally uses a real spanish co-driver and you can hear the difference. This channel is one of the biggest for spanish sim-racers. You can read the comments, all praising the co-driver (copiloto) as the best feature of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcJOPf1pKkE

Trying to be as clear as possible in english. Sorry for any mistake.

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KickUp said:
There is Quality Control but very few (if any) are a rally specialist. We have a limited amount of foreign language testers and the codriver audio is a huge volume of work that was included very late in the day hence why these issues are present in the current game. I can only apologise for them existing and we are fixing what we can. 
I personally check the English codriver calls because I write them with Jon Tucker and then record them. The foreign language calls are recorded separately and then checked by our testers. Sadly the only rally specialists that use them are you guys which is why it is really important that you tell us when things are wrong. 
Ok, so it's kind of a big issue. I will help in all I can for spanish co-driver. First thing, I was wrong. The last countries (Finland and Sweden) have the new co-driver both for countdown and pace notes in spanish. Were the rest of rallies where the countdown and finish use the new co-driver and the pace notes the old one. In the first patches I thought he was a marshal not the new co-driver.
About the english notes glitch I only heard it in a particular stage at the very end of it (only a couple of turns). I am not sure, I believe it was Finland. I will play in Finland and Sweden these days to check it out. Maybe it was solved in the last patches, I didn't focus on the new spanish co-driver because until patch 1.0 Finland was almost broken (completely desynchronized), I was patient because of the early acces.

About the voice itself. The old co-driver in spanish is slightly better. The new one is quite robotic and even the audio mix sound more far and electronic, I don't know if it's trying to emulate the headset. @KickUp as you've told us I suppose the new will redo all the old notes. In both cases they are clearly voice actors who try to mimic your british style. This is more a suggestion or personal wish but this co-driver is far from ideal in spanish. We spanish fans prefer a more intense and agressive co-driver. I think a big reason is Luis Moya, Carlos Sainz co-driver. The notes are in crescendo, even shouting. We name that to "sing the notes".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnA9FpXfMiY

Sebastien Loeb Evo Rally uses a real spanish co-driver and you can hear the difference. This channel is one of the biggest for spanish sim-racers. You can read the comments, all praising the co-driver (copiloto) as the best feature of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcJOPf1pKkE

Trying to be as clear as possible in english. Sorry for any mistake.
Thanks that is really helpful. It is one of my biggest regrets that our foreign co drivers are not experienced codrivers as you are correct it does make a huge difference to the experience. 

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My pleasure. Another excellent example, lovely couple. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8INmbRO_PE

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I suggest you to make a separate thread/discussion for all the foreign codrivers issues (there were alot of single ones, hard to collect now).

Let's continue the gossip :D

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versedi said:
I suggest you to make a separate thread/discussion for all the foreign codrivers issues (there were alot of single ones, hard to collect now).

Let's continue the gossip :D
no more gossip to talk about :D

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versedi said:
I suggest you to make a separate thread/discussion for all the foreign codrivers issues (there were alot of single ones, hard to collect now).

Let's continue the gossip :D
Yes, you're right. Next time I will open the thread if it's not open.

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PaloSamo said:
No offence, but even not a rally specialist can hear the difference between two voices (not to mention languages). I know roughly how making Co-Driver voice can be hard, because me and versedi are trying to achieve it right now ;) But I don't want to pick on you guys, as you have done a wonderful job, probably on tight budget and with limited time. Well done. 
The grounds of your praise is exactly why those minor issues exist; limited time as well as unfortunate and untimely events. Just be happy they're not game-breaking issues like what has been seen on the other side of Codemasters with F1 2015, as well as too many other games from other developers. 

The quality control comment was a tad rude, considering the size of the project and the fact that the majority of the game throughout early access was pristine for a product taking that path of development.  
Why should I be happy they're not game breaking issues? I wasn't complaining about codrivers in other languages. I am happy with Paul's voice and his route notes :) Funny that you mentioned EA. Once the game was out of it there seems to be more bugs than before. League bug is a game breaking one for many players and the devs weren't even aware of it. Priorities, I guess (and there is nothing wrong with that). Fortunately DR community is very strong and helpful ;). And don't get me wrong, I absolutely love what they've done with DR and how they used EA. I was playing it as ifvit was a full game!

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If anyone wants to start a co-driver 'bug' thread (for want of a better title) go for it.

A good way to show him the problems is a win10 dvr function if you have it.  Although it seems that some of the foreign VO people are just poor and poorly QA'd which is always difficult to police.

I have a couple of videos for the English problems, CM already have them submitted, but this gives you an idea of the problems i found with the English notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rILWjKw_P8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9Bcc7me_4


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teknoid85 said:
versedi said:
I suggest you to make a separate thread/discussion for all the foreign codrivers issues (there were alot of single ones, hard to collect now).

Let's continue the gossip :D
no more gossip to talk about :D
So you're sure what to expect by 5 years waiting?

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Can we go back to Early Access please??

I liked DiRT Rally back then...  :(

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If anyone wants to start a co-driver 'bug' thread (for want of a better title) go for it.

A good way to show him the problems is a win10 dvr function if you have it.  Although it seems that some of the foreign VO people are just poor and poorly QA'd which is always difficult to police.

I have a couple of videos for the English problems, CM already have them submitted, but this gives you an idea of the problems i found with the English notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rILWjKw_P8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9Bcc7me_4


Ummm... I didn't notice anything missing there. Timing might be a bit off but all the bends are called.

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Nope.  

First video, there is no right 3 called after the left.

Second video, it's called 5 left over bridge, but the corner proceeding the bridge is a right, the corner after the bridge is a left 5, it should read (i believe) over bridge left 5.

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Underkex said:

Sebastien Loeb Evo Rally uses a real spanish co-driver and you can hear the difference. This channel is one of the biggest for spanish sim-racers. You can read the comments, all praising the co-driver (copiloto) as the best feature of the game.
That says a lot about the quality of the rest of the game, doesn't it?

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