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Busterbvi said:



I see two Ford Focus RS Rally in the list, do we really need two ?  One could make way for the RS1800, the most iconic rally car of all time that rightly deserves its place in D4.








"most iconic" is highly subjective. (And probably dependent on age)  I don't find the Escort 'most iconic' at all... it's a often used car from that era but overall not more important than the Stratos or Quattro or Mini or RS200.  To me, the most iconic rally car would be the '99 Impreza, but it's subjective.
"It's just like... your opinion, man."






I have a feeling that you've just started the debate of the year. :joy:


Police were called to the DiRTy Gossip thread this afternoon to prevent a massive riot. When asked about the cause of the riot, fingers were pointed at @Busterbvi for raising potentially the most subjective question in rallying ever. 

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  @KickUp May i Ask. I know its to soon. but there will allways be wishing for new conten.
Could the team  implant from game menu to official site poll. So comunity who has game can vote from list.
for example You put 10 location which you could make. Then every player can vote for 3. and at the end of some period.The most points location wins (or 2 or 3 ).. and will be in Game. Then are 9 location for next DLC. vote again so on.. till we have 7 locatin  as DLC for full custom event with 12 diferent location :) 
for Cars also just a little bigger number :) so Comunity will be happy,to get what They want. and they would support, also that would give filling to be a part of Game too.. and that has no one else done..
You can make game fresh like on first day :)  till Next gen game comes out.




Polls like that can be easily falisified by using "bots". I'd rather trust the game designers to choose what's best for resources they have available. 

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Busterbvi said:


 how much work can it be ?


Probably any game developer's favourite question.


Development time of both new cars and circuits were one of the subjects that @KickUp addressed during the community day at Codemasters last year. I was genuinely stunned at just how many man hours are required. 

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There were several features missing in DR I was really wanting to come in DLC or a successor. But right now it's confirmed by @KickUp that none of them we will see. At least in initial release, which in some cases is almost equal to never:
  1. longer stages
  2. replays
  3. 3 monitor support (powered by nVidia SMP)
  4. Rift/Vive support




What about replays? Elaborate.




It's already confirmed that replay system is not going to be improved (comparing to D:R). It means, no possibility of saving replays for further replaying/re-editing.

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dwkGravey said:



Busterbvi said:


 how much work can it be ?


Probably any game developer's favourite question.


Any software developers favourite question. Trust me, I'm a developer and I loooooooove when someone asks me that question in a condescending tone. 

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789ifyz said:

Completely off-topic, but...

Many pages ago, wheel stands were being discussed, and I'd like to know if a Wheelstand Pro of GT Omega wheel stand would slip and slide on wooden/laminate flooring.

On-topic: that career is looking next level. I feel like it may be a little too realistic for some people, but meh. Imma love it. And I'll also be abroad when it launches, unfortunately, :cry: 






I have a wheelstand pro for my Logitch G27 and Im using it on a wooden floor. Its very stable and does not rock or slide from side to side at all. It doesnt slide forward either but i do have the pole basically resting up against the edge of the desk so this might be a factor here. I can pull it back an inch or two nwxt time I use it and let you know if it slips forward at all under heavy breaking for instance, if you want me to?

Or are you planning at using at a desk?

Yeah, the Dirt 4 career mode looks bang tidy and has me very keen to jump in, where as I never really felt excited at all when playing career mode in Dirt Rally unfortunately :| (guess cause there basically wasnt one but you know what I mean) This new career mode though, might turn out to be one of the most satisfying and fun parts of D4  :)





I'm planning to sit on the settee a little distance from my TV. The issue with my current stand is that it slips around too much, and the issue with clamping stuff on the desk as I have now is that it's way too close to the TV (and the pedals still slide around), though it does help with immersion when the everything in the cockpit view looks so close to scale. Terrible for my eighsight, though.

In other news, after months without any gaming due to reasons, I played some DiRT Rally today and found that I had become so rusty that I was actually worse than when I first got my wheel. Like, finishing last in Rallycross on Easy mode bad. Almost won after a couple of hours, though.

And I was thinking about how the reset lines have been pushed back for DiRT4 and how there's no Auto-Reset Timer and suddenly I found myself wondering whether it would be possible to take a wrong turn and go exploring or park up in someone's drive or back yard just because.

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Busterbvi said:


Let the existing Escort Mk2 keep its place in the list, just give a makeover so we get an authentic period works / Sutton Car with BDG on Webers, how much work can it be ?




The answer is somewhere in the thread.

First they would have to arrange licensing for the RS1800, then find an RS1800, scan/draw the RS1800, record the audio of the RS1800, sort out the physics/handling model for the RS1800.

Longest/most difficult part of the process, licensing the RS1800 in the first place.

Which is why @

MaXyMsrpl said:




bogani said:







MaXyMsrpl said:




There were several features missing in DR I was really wanting to come in DLC or a successor. But right now it's confirmed by @KickUp that none of them we will see. At least in initial release, which in some cases is almost equal to never:
  1. longer stages
  2. replays
  3. 3 monitor support (powered by nVidia SMP)
  4. Rift/Vive support






What about replays? Elaborate.






It's already confirmed that replay system is not going to be improved (comparing to D:R). It means, no possibility of saving replays for further replaying/re-editing.


Actually, it's been confirmed that the replay system has been given a overhaul with different camera angles (less Gymkhana friendly camera placement, more crowd based camera angles) and the abilty to watch the entire race from helicopter view, but that they can't add a Save Replay option (which they must be getting fed up of having to repeat for every DiRT game since I started asking for it when they released DiRT)

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SkiddyMcCrash said:
(which they must be getting fed up of having to repeat for every DiRT game since I started asking for it when they released DiRT)

Well, we need to think of something else to ask then... hmmm... can't think of anything, so @KickUp when will we be getting option to save the replays? :D

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True story. I've got 2 brothers and a brother in law, 1 brother was trying to get me to buy a PS4, the other was trying to get me to buy an XBone. Both my brothers tried for ages to convince to buy their respective machine. One day, out of the blue my bro in law said to "Build a pc instead, you can have custom paintjobs in DiRT 3 and record your replays using your graphics card".

He should have done the mic drop and walked away, coz he'd just made the winning arguement, with 1 sentence. I didn't need to hear that I could build a faster machine with better graphics to play the same games, for cheaper, easily upgradable, or any of the other million and 1 reasons why I should upgrade my crappy old pc. Realistic skin jobs and recordable replays was all it took :)

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when will we be getting option to save the replays? :D


















Download any recording software (I recommend OBS Studio for balanced high quality - performance) :p  








I hope you are sarcastic. Anyway let's say truth, it's f* useless. I can write down several reasons:
  1. while being in the middle of championship without restart possible, you don't want to risk crashing software and loosing opportunity to finish your champ.
  2. being on the flow, you don't want to be disrupted by recording video, selecting cameras etc
  3. you can be constrained by time having not enough to do both: finish champ and record videos after each stage
  4. while rallying for results you might use lower gfx settings for better fps. Making video you might decide for lower fps but greater gfx
  5. while using VR, point 4 is even more important. there are more VR issues while recording 2D video
  6. video creation process is often matter of trial and error, mixing different angles, cameras, maybe different routes etc. Being not possible to use stored replays you, as movie makes are just limited.
  7. while you want to analyse someone's technique, or just watch the car from other angle than in video, you are f*ed
  8. It's shame, this franchise doesn't offer replays system while every other sim has since ages
  9. a file which seem to be replay is stored anyway. I know it's really big file but I would have no probs with the size if it were loadable and re-playable.
And to be honest, as software developer, I cannot imagine real problem which stands on behalf of inability of adding this feature for years. If game is able to play replay immediately after finishing a stage, there is no problem to store the data and load it later to replay. Then only one problem is to program infrastructure for file maintenance. Which is trivial (or even existing, eg setups, profiles etc)

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tbtstt said:





Jepsertti said:







SkyRex said:









Busterbvi said:





I see two Ford Focus RS Rally in the list, do we really need two ?  One could make way for the RS1800, the most iconic rally car of all time that rightly deserves its place in D4.












"most iconic" is highly subjective. (And probably dependent on age)  I don't find the Escort 'most iconic' at all... it's a often used car from that era but overall not more important than the Stratos or Quattro or Mini or RS200.  To me, the most iconic rally car would be the '99 Impreza, but it's subjective.
"It's just like... your opinion, man."










I have a feeling that you've just started the debate of the year. :joy:






Police were called to the DiRTy Gossip thread this afternoon to prevent a massive riot. When asked about the cause of the riot, fingers were pointed at @Busterbvi for raising potentially the most subjective question in rallying ever. 




But he IS right about the 99 Impreza!  Is the dark unicorn of DiRT.  :joy:

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versedi said:







  @KickUp May i Ask. I know its to soon. but there will allways be wishing for new conten.
Could the team  implant from game menu to official site poll. So comunity who has game can vote from list.
for example You put 10 location which you could make. Then every player can vote for 3. and at the end of some period.The most points location wins (or 2 or 3 ).. and will be in Game. Then are 9 location for next DLC. vote again so on.. till we have 7 locatin  as DLC for full custom event with 12 diferent location :) 
for Cars also just a little bigger number :) so Comunity will be happy,to get what They want. and they would support, also that would give filling to be a part of Game too.. and that has no one else done..
You can make game fresh like on first day :)  till Next gen game comes out.






Polls like that can be easily falisified by using "bots". I'd rather trust the game designers to choose what's best for resources they have available. 



*Closes operation_ypres.exe and looks up*


Huh? No idea what you mean...

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SkyRex said:



Busterbvi said:


I see two Ford Focus RS Rally in the list, do we really need two ?  One could make way for the RS1800, the most iconic rally car of all time that rightly deserves its place in D4.






"most iconic" is highly subjective. (And probably dependent on age)  I don't find the Escort 'most iconic' at all... it's a often used car from that era but overall not more important than the Stratos or Quattro or Mini or RS200.  To me, the most iconic rally car would be the '99 Impreza, but it's subjective.
"It's just like... your opinion, man."



An excerpt from Graham Robson's great book on the RS1800.  Says it all really !

"Escort RS1800 (Escort Mk II) : This is a Rally Giant because it was consistently the fastest, the most successful and the most versatile car in the second half of the 1970s and early 80's. Developed from the Mk I, it was a conventional front engine/rear drive machine, which rallied with 2-litre engines of up to 270bhp. Rally successes were legendary - British (RAC), Safari, Acropolis, Finland (1000 Lakes), Sweden, Portugal, Canada - and more and more. They won 17 World Rallies between 1975 and 1981. RS1800s won the World Makes Championship in 1979, and were always close to victory, and always competitive. Escort drivers like Bjorn Waldegard (1979) and Ari Vatanen (1981) won the World Drivers' Championships. Over the years hundreds - and this is no exaggeration hundreds of RS1800s were built for motor sport, and were the ideal car for almost any condition in the world because they were very powerful, but simple and rugged. The RS1800 was also the layout template which was copied by other manufacturers - for cars like the Talbot Sunbeam-Lotus, the Vauxhall Chevette HSR and the Nissan GTs of the late 1970s/early 1980s, which were really all Escort 'clones'. Ford claim, and they may be right, that RS1800s have won more rallies, at World, International and National level than any other car in the world."

How right they are and its still winning rallies all over the world today. Codies should single out the RS1800 for special treatment and pay tribute to this "Rally Giant" and give us a proper works Group 4 RS1800. 


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I think the 206 wrc is the most iconic. Or maybe the 2003 Impreza. 



But then again that's just my opinion

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Busterbvi said:





SkyRex said:







Busterbvi said:




I see two Ford Focus RS Rally in the list, do we really need two ?  One could make way for the RS1800, the most iconic rally car of all time that rightly deserves its place in D4.










"most iconic" is highly subjective. (And probably dependent on age)  I don't find the Escort 'most iconic' at all... it's a often used car from that era but overall not more important than the Stratos or Quattro or Mini or RS200.  To me, the most iconic rally car would be the '99 Impreza, but it's subjective.
"It's just like... your opinion, man."







An excerpt from Graham Robson's great book on the RS1800.  Says it all really !

"Escort RS1800 (Escort Mk II) : This is a Rally Giant because it was consistently the fastest, the most successful and the most versatile car in the second half of the 1970s and early 80's. Developed from the Mk I, it was a conventional front engine/rear drive machine, which rallied with 2-litre engines of up to 270bhp. Rally successes were legendary - British (RAC), Safari, Acropolis, Finland (1000 Lakes), Sweden, Portugal, Canada - and more and more. They won 17 World Rallies between 1975 and 1981. RS1800s won the World Makes Championship in 1979, and were always close to victory, and always competitive. Escort drivers like Bjorn Waldegard (1979) and Ari Vatanen (1981) won the World Drivers' Championships. Over the years hundreds - and this is no exaggeration hundreds of RS1800s were built for motor sport, and were the ideal car for almost any condition in the world because they were very powerful, but simple and rugged. The RS1800 was also the layout template which was copied by other manufacturers - for cars like the Talbot Sunbeam-Lotus, the Vauxhall Chevette HSR and the Nissan GTs of the late 1970s/early 1980s, which were really all Escort 'clones'. Ford claim, and they may be right, that RS1800s have won more rallies, at World, International and National level than any other car in the world."

How right they are and its still winning rallies all over the world today. Codies should single out the RS1800 for special treatment and pay tribute to this "Rally Giant" and give us a proper works Group 4 RS1800. 






And this is just the opinion of that author, which has no credibility to make a subjective topic objective. The many wins also says nothing about icony of something because it's still subjective. In my country the VW Golf is the most sold car, but that doesn't make it the objectively best car around to buy. It might be best for some, but certainly many people would also disagree.

You could certainly bring more arguments, but essentially you would still end up saying something like:
"Don't you see that blue is obviously the much more beautiful color than yellow? Open your eyes people, it clearly is!"

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Furthermore, when attempting to capture Owen Shaw, Brian O'Connor chose the RS1600, not the RS1800, which I think says it all.

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Busterbvi said:
How right they are and its still winning rallies all over the world today. Codies should single out the RS1800 for special treatment and pay tribute to this "Rally Giant" and give us a proper works Group 4 RS1800. 


It may be iconic, but we have an approximation in the game already with all the licensing done. For the vast majority players, it's fine. It's really not worth all the time, effort, and money to license a historically accurate version when there are so many other things to finish first. Plus, calling this car the most iconic is an opinion; you are stating opinions as if they are facts. 

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Sorry for the off-topic but we have a slight spam problem.

@tbtstt Charge the cannons and prepare to eliminate the targets:







FIIIIIIIIIIIRE!






I couldn't even help today, I was caught up in the Cross-fire & suffered collateral damage (got banned), possibly for signing on yesterday in McDonalds whilst waiting on my daughter finishing her Happy-meal! lol 

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Busterbvi said:
RS1800s have won more rallies, at World

A very certain Lancia would highly disagree on that one :p

Honestly, just give it up. The cosmetic differences on that Escort are not enough to convince the accountants that the game needs that car to sell. On top of that there are a lot of other rally cars that people would love to see that don't look almost identical to a car that is already in the game. I for one would love to see a Fabia R5, Hyundai Accent WRC, Skoda Octavia RS WRC, the '99-2000 Impreza WRC, Audi S1 RX, Evo IX and the list goes and on and on and on and on.

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MaXyMsrpl said:


when will we be getting option to save the replays? :D

Download any recording software (I recommend OBS Studio for balanced high quality - performance) :p  

I hope you are sarcastic. Anyway let's say truth, it's f* useless. I can write down several reasons:
  1. while being in the middle of championship without restart possible, you don't want to risk crashing software and loosing opportunity to finish your champ.
  2. being on the flow, you don't want to be disrupted by recording video, selecting cameras etc
  3. you can be constrained by time having not enough to do both: finish champ and record videos after each stage
  4. while rallying for results you might use lower gfx settings for better fps. Making video you might decide for lower fps but greater gfx
  5. while using VR, point 4 is even more important. there are more VR issues while recording 2D video
  6. video creation process is often matter of trial and error, mixing different angles, cameras, maybe different routes etc. Being not possible to use stored replays you, as movie makes are just limited.
  7. while you want to analyse someone's technique, or just watch the car from other angle than in video, you are f*ed
  8. It's shame, this franchise doesn't offer replays system while every other sim has since ages
  9. a file which seem to be replay is stored anyway. I know it's really big file but I would have no probs with the size if it were loadable and re-playable.
And to be honest, as software developer, I cannot imagine real problem which stands on behalf of inability of adding this feature for years. If game is able to play replay immediately after finishing a stage, there is no problem to store the data and load it later to replay. Then only one problem is to program infrastructure for file maintenance. Which is trivial (or even existing, eg setups, profiles etc)





I agree with you that it seems very strange that a file that is on your hard drive and can play the replay directly after the race cannot be saved onto the hard drive. Ive never understood the reason for this but then again I am not a programmer. I agree though it is one of my frustrations.

What I have heard is that for some reason it would be a lot of work to do and they havent found the resourses to do it yet.  I have to assume, based on the teams effort in other areas that they are trying to make the best rally/driving game ever, and that this is definetly something they would do if they could. @KickUp has also said that he would really like a photo mode but for the same reasons it cant be currently done.

In regards to your list, I agree that there are many disadvantages to not having save-able replays and you've listed some of them here. But one thing that I have found helps alleviate some of the issue is using the onboard GPU recorder that Nvidia and AMD have built into thier cards. If I activate constant recording (just switch on with a keysroke at the start of play and forget) then everything records in a loop onto my hard drive (up to 20 minutes for Nvidia but I just use 10) and then directly after finishing a stage (if I felt it was worthy) I just hit a key and it gets saved to a folder on my hard drive and I can move on in a couple of seconds and forget about it. Only problem is (as you said) if I want another angle I have to watch the whole replay and hit save again, but this works too. Also the quality is very decent in my opinion and you can record up to 100mbit videos at 60fps, which I dont bother because the files get very large and I just stick to 30-50Mbit atm.

The good thing is that the onboard GPU recorder will usually have a very small impact on performance compared to other ways of capturing (I think only about 5fps at the most) at least it does on my Gtx 970, and thankfully this is performance I can afford to spare. Also when running this, it's worth noting that I have never had it crash on me yet.

I know its not the real solution we all have wanted for a long time but I just wanted to offer this point of view.

Hopefully Dirt 5 will be the milestone breakthrough for replays (at least for this series). But for now we get to enjoy the true milestone breakthrough that is Your Stage.

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