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JZStudios said:
Yep. Waiting for the port report. It's the windows store that concerns me. I seriously only want full screen on my triples. Why is that impossible?
Fullscreen is already an option in Forza Apex, so I can't imagine FH3 not having it (it has according to all the reviews I've seen so far).
Hmm. Saw about 3 minutes of InsaneGaz livestreaming and he said it doesn't allow full screen.

However, since our own resident @enamel has it, I can just ask him for the port report. Can I do triple screen? With the Horizon series I'm okay using a controller since my wheels a Fanatec. FH also does a great job of making every car feel unique, and about like you'd expect, while still simplifying it a bit.
What hardware do you have? I'm only running a 960 right now... think it'll handle it well?
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I installed Win 10 to play Forza Motosport Apex but they wanted me to update the Window's build to play the game... I uninstalled Win 10 and got back to Win 7 because I already made the dual-boot thing. I don't want to play any Forza anymore... Maybe on Xbox that seems more enjoyable than on PC and "Windows"...
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Darhour said:
I installed Win 10 to play Forza Motosport Apex but they wanted me to update the Window's build to play the game... I uninstalled Win 10
Wait, let me get this right. You uninstalled an OS because it had an update scheduled? o.O That's like uninstalling DiRT Rally because there's a new update for it and you can't play it online without installing it...

I honestly don't get the hate with the Windows 10. It had a rough start... just as Win 7 and 8. Now it not only offers more but those things actually work. I could never get the Windows Update to work properly in Win 7 or 8, and the search function was abominable. Both work perfectly now. Oh and the spying? It's exactly the same as in Win7 and 8, just that MS now informs about it.

It's definitely not going to happen, but I would seriously laugh my rear off if Codies would decide to release next DiRT title as DX12 only title. The amount of crying that would happen...
However I think it's safe to say if it's going to run on anything, it's most likely going to be Vulkan or DX11 with a possibility of a DX12 as an option.
No windows 7 support and no regional prices in WinStore - nah, I think I'll pass.
I have regional prices. I bought FH3 in PLN rather than €, unlike the case with Steam where everything is in €. The pricing is dependent on the region you select in the Windows settings.

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I have regional prices. I bought FH3 in PLN rather than €, unlike the case with Steam where everything is in €. The pricing is dependent on the region you select in the Windows settings.

Usually Steam/GOG prices are much lower in Russia. Microsoft store just converts 60 USD to your currency. Well, same with PSN store, but I'd rather buy a physical version anyway.

DiRT Rally 2 as DX12 and Windows 10 exclusive - yeah, that would be a time to upgrade for sure :P
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I am not hating on anything, but honestly I pirated it for the game to try it out so they wanted me to update the build then they would have detected the OS legitimacy and I uninstalled it...

DiRT page on FB published something interesting quoting "Helmet on. Foot down. Game on." with this image... It seems to be as a rendering of the 131 model with Greek location background image..




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Darhour said:
I installed Win 10 to play Forza Motosport Apex but they wanted me to update the Window's build to play the game... I uninstalled Win 10
Wait, let me get this right. You uninstalled an OS because it had an update scheduled? o.O That's like uninstalling DiRT Rally because there's a new update for it and you can't play it online without installing it...

I honestly don't get the hate with the Windows 10. It had a rough start... just as Win 7 and 8. Now it not only offers more but those things actually work. I could never get the Windows Update to work properly in Win 7 or 8, and the search function was abominable. Both work perfectly now. Oh and the spying? It's exactly the same as in Win7 and 8, just that MS now informs about it.

It's definitely not going to happen, but I would seriously laugh my rear off if Codies would decide to release next DiRT title as DX12 only title. The amount of crying that would happen...
However I think it's safe to say if it's going to run on anything, it's most likely going to be Vulkan or DX11 with a possibility of a DX12 as an option.
No windows 7 support and no regional prices in WinStore - nah, I think I'll pass.
I have regional prices. I bought FH3 in PLN rather than €, unlike the case with Steam where everything is in €. The pricing is dependent on the region you select in the Windows settings.

Win 10 did, they might have fixed it by now, have massive security loopholes. And Win7 doesn't record literally everything you do and send it back. Yeah, sure MS gives the option to turn those things off, but seriously, if I add a date in the calendar, why does MS need to know about it?
The security thing doesn't super bother me, but familiarity with win7 is a plus right now. And I don't have to pay for it. However my ram is idiotically arbitrarily limited to 16gb instead of the 24 I have installed, which isn't a problem with win10.
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I am not hating on anything, but honestly I pirated it for the game to try it out so they wanted me to update the build then they would have detected the OS legitimacy and I uninstalled it...

DiRT page on FB published something interesting quoting "Helmet on. Foot down. Game on." with this image... It seems to be as a rendering of the 131 model with Greek location background image..




Looks like @urgaffel got his hands on the lens flare options... unless that was already there and I never noticed.... I also don't drive at night.
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SergeyTokarev said:
Usually Steam/GOG prices are much lower in Russia. Microsoft store just converts 60 USD to your currency.
Ehh... not really. I paid 299PLN for the Deluxe edition, while the price in USD for that is 79.99, which results in more than 299PLN. The difference is not big, but it exists. And because of the much lower prices in Russia, Steam keys bought there are rather... limited.
JZStudios said:
Win 10 did, they might have fixed it by now, have massive security loopholes. And Win7 doesn't record literally everything you do and send it back. Yeah, sure MS gives the option to turn those things off, but seriously, if I add a date in the calendar, why does MS need to know about it?
The security thing doesn't super bother me, but familiarity with win7 is a plus right now.
MS collects that data in order to improve Cortana. And yes, that means if you disable her, MS won't collect it. Very simple. Given that Cortana doesn't work in most countries... most people's Win10 doesn't "record everything". On top of that when you're upgrading or installing, it asks if you allow for it to collect information as well. Just choose "No". Job done.
Also, the only difference between Win10 and Win7 in terms of familiarity is the extra "settings" menu, which is used to mainly adjust the Windows Apps. Given that most Win7 users wouldn't use it, you won't even notice it. There's still the good ol' control panel and start menu aside from the extra space for tiles, is just the same, with a bit more "modern look". And if there's anything that has been moved to the new settings (which are things you won't touch most likely), it's directly linked there and honestly it's painfully similar and obvious. Ability to read is all you need.

As always, great to see that people that are the first to shout their opinion are the ones that have literally no knowledge on the subject.
Darhour said:
About the calender thing, they are just trying to know when your birthday is to send you their wishes :3
Believe it or not, but Cortana actually does send wishes when it's your birthday.
Darhour said:
DiRT page on FB published something interesting quoting "Helmet on. Foot down. Game on." with this image... It seems to be as a rendering of the 131 model with Greek location background image..
Looks like Ampelonas Ormi, right after the first hairpin. Naturally they used their "camera tools", can't imagine Photoshop wasn't involved in some way as well. Though on another look, it may as well be Tsiristra Thea on the section after the first left hairpin like corner (it says left 2 if I'm correct.)
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I'm sticking with 7 because I know it works and I'm comfortable with it, and I have no reason to upgrade. Simple as that. If a future Dirt game is DX12 only, sure, I'll switch then, but that's about the only thing I'd be willing to buy a new OS for.
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JZStudios said:
Win 10 did, they might have fixed it by now, have massive security loopholes. And Win7 doesn't record literally everything you do and send it back. Yeah, sure MS gives the option to turn those things off, but seriously, if I add a date in the calendar, why does MS need to know about it?
The security thing doesn't super bother me, but familiarity with win7 is a plus right now.
MS collects that data in order to improve Cortana. And yes, that means if you disable her, MS won't collect it. Very simple. Given that Cortana doesn't work in most countries... most people's Win10 doesn't "record everything". On top of that when you're upgrading or installing, it asks if you allow for it to collect information as well. Just choose "No". Job done.
Also, the only difference between Win10 and Win7 in terms of familiarity is the extra "settings" menu, which is used to mainly adjust the Windows Apps. Given that most Win7 users wouldn't use it, you won't even notice it. There's still the good ol' control panel and start menu aside from the extra space for tiles, is just the same, with a bit more "modern look". And if there's anything that has been moved to the new settings (which are things you won't touch most likely), it's directly linked there and honestly it's painfully similar and obvious. Ability to read is all you need.

As always, great to see that people that are the first to shout their opinion are the ones that have literally no knowledge on the subject.
You can turn Cortana off, but it still collects data. Not only that turning off the data options in the install screen doesn't disable as much as you'd think. There's still tons of data collecting being made. And to a further point, while Cortana is voice control, provided you spell correctly it shouldn't need to send anything back to MS. Just say "Hey Cortana, check calendar for anniversary" and it should be able to search your computers calendar locally, not by going back to MS. Y'know, the same way a text search works. I can look for programs on my PC without sending those search results to MS.
There's also quite a bit different between 7 and 10. The way things are done in 7 do differ from 10, and some things may be renamed/relocated. Remember that not everyone only uses their computer for checking email or playing games, sometimes we get in the code.

As always, it's great to see you trying to defend something you yet again know very little about and pass it off as knowledge to drop on other people who do. ;)
Also, this.
https://youtu.be/u1kGMCfb2xw


And if you didn't know, that guy used to work for MS and he's deeply concerned about all the data collection MS is doing.
Same reason why many people with secure/classified documents won't switch to 10 because of data collection and huge back door loopholes.
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JZStudios said:
Darhour said:

DiRT page on FB published something interesting quoting "Helmet on. Foot down. Game on." with this image... It seems to be as a rendering of the 131 model with Greek location background image..




Looks like @urgaffel got his hands on the lens flare options... unless that was already there and I never noticed.... I also don't drive at night.
Very interesting.. is there any hidden messages?  perhaps the rocks tell us something?  Is there a 4 somewhere or a 2?
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JZStudios said:
Darhour said:

DiRT page on FB published something interesting quoting "Helmet on. Foot down. Game on." with this image... It seems to be as a rendering of the 131 model with Greek location background image..




Looks like @urgaffel got his hands on the lens flare options... unless that was already there and I never noticed.... I also don't drive at night.
Very interesting.. is there any hidden messages?  perhaps the rocks tell us something?  Is there a 4 somewhere or a 2?
I'd like to come with something clever, but my brain can't produce anything. I've literally been trying all day to play a game online. Any game. It always says I have low ping, then I start trying to play and it jumps to 900. It's great.
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That used to happen to me a lot, along with regular connection dropouts. I eventually had the tech guys install a a new modem and it's been OK since (fingers crossed). Try restarting it, that used to temporarily fix it for me.

I went to that facebook post to see if I could find any clues, but I made the terrible mistake of reading the comments. Every single one is begging for DLC, and there's similar comments on most of the other posts there. It's a nice reminder of how good this little forum community is, what with the actual discussions and minimal whining/begging. I don't think I'd be able to keep my patience if I was in charge of community management. Eventually I think I'd just turn into a sarcastic jerk.  :p
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That used to happen to me a lot, along with regular connection dropouts. I eventually had the tech guys install a a new modem and it's been OK since (fingers crossed). Try restarting it, that used to temporarily fix it for me.

I went to that facebook post to see if I could find any clues, but I made the terrible mistake of reading the comments. Every single one is begging for DLC, and there's similar comments on most of the other posts there. It's a nice reminder of how good this little forum community is, what with the actual discussions and minimal whining/begging. I don't think I'd be able to keep my patience if I was in charge of community management. Eventually I think I'd just turn into a sarcastic jerk.  :p
And introducing Ian Bell of SMS studios, the Italians of Kunos, the guys at iRacing etc...
That's why there's a middle man.
https://youtu.be/RAY27NU1Jog

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Dytut said:
RookieOne said:
Time to gossip again : 

https://twitter.com/Hatward/status/777883702818902016
They might just have been out drunk driving and swerved into a milestone. Otherwise I'd be forced to get hyped, and I can't stand being hyped.
I'm not saying you should be hyped but... ;)

(sorry for late teasing, I've been far far away)
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urgaffel said:

Dytut said:
RookieOne said:
Time to gossip again : 

https://twitter.com/Hatward/status/777883702818902016
They might just have been out drunk driving and swerved into a milestone. Otherwise I'd be forced to get hyped, and I can't stand being hyped.
I'm not saying you should be hyped but... ;)

(sorry for late teasing, I've been far far away)
So it's time to get on board the hype train? I think we need a slight touch more imagery before we start shoveling coal in there ;-)


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JZStudios said:
You can turn Cortana off, but it still collects data. Not only that turning off the data options in the install screen doesn't disable as much as you'd think. There's still tons of data collecting being made. And to a further point, while Cortana is voice control, provided you spell correctly it shouldn't need to send anything back to MS. Just say "Hey Cortana, check calendar for anniversary" and it should be able to search your computers calendar locally, not by going back to MS. Y'know, the same way a text search works. I can look for programs on my PC without sending those search results to MS.
There's also quite a bit different between 7 and 10. The way things are done in 7 do differ from 10, and some things may be renamed/relocated. Remember that not everyone only uses their computer for checking email or playing games, sometimes we get in the code.

As always, it's great to see you trying to defend something you yet again know very little about and pass it off as knowledge to drop on other people who do. ;)

And if you didn't know, that guy used to work for MS and he's deeply concerned about all the data collection MS is doing.
Same reason why many people with secure/classified documents won't switch to 10 because of data collection and huge back door loopholes.
Turning Cortana off and disabling the data collection means that the data they're collecting is the same as in Windows 7 and 8. Yes, those also collect data on you, they're not as perfect as it would seem.
Tell me, how would you try to improve a software that is meant to figure stuff our from how you work and what you search for without having any form of feedback from people that do use it? Last time I checked millions of people have a higher chance of providing feedback on where a software will fail rather than a small group of testers (which MS mainly laid off anyway). Obviously they need to know what information Cortana handles in what way, otherwise they won't be able to tell what's wrong.

If you're someone who goes deeper into the OS, then first, you're familiar with Administration tools, which exist and allow you to deal with most of the issues. Secondly, you're familiar with adjusting to different layouts since again, you like to get in the code of how things work. Thirdly, the settings window will take 10 minutes to get fully familiar with. You can do that while a myriad of programs will be installing. A lot of the options there are related only to Windows Apps or are also accessible from a control panel in the old windows fashion.
The only people who mention "familiarity" as a problem are those who haven't used Windows 10. To further prove my point, I upgraded my laptop from Win7 to Win10, a laptop that only my mum uses. She never once came to ask me what is where. And she has almost hit 60. And is very bad with PCs.

I know Barnacules, I watch him. Funny thing is, shortly after he made the video about that security stuff, he moved to Windows 10 permanently and he haven't said a single bad word about it.
I do hope those people never enter any websites, cause that's one hell of data collection that is happening there. Heck, they should unplug their PCs from the internet, less chance of having their PCs attacked and having the data stolen. /sarcasm
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I'm not saying you should be hyped but... ;)

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Is there a release date for Dirt Rally 2?

I bought Dirt Rally Legend edition but it was the Dutch text cover version, so played it a while then returned it to amazon for a refund so I can buy the English language text version.

Thinking maybe I should just wait it out until Dirt Rally 2 is out. But I think I only scratched the surface of Dirt Rally, my progress was as follows;

Just started Elite championship Rally

Hardly touched Rally X so the FIA had just opened and I hadn't even bought a Rally X car for it yet.

Not touched Pikes Peak.

Level 78 team.

36% trophies if that's anything to go by.

Should I buy it again and progress further?


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Is there a release date for Dirt Rally 2?

I bought Dirt Rally Legend edition but it was the Dutch text cover version, so played it a while then returned it to amazon for a refund so I can buy the English language text version.

Thinking maybe I should just wait it out until Dirt Rally 2 is out. But I think I only scratched the surface of Dirt Rally, my progress was as follows;

Just started Elite championship Rally

Hardly touched Rally X so the FIA had just opened and I hadn't even bought a Rally X car for it yet.

Not touched Pikes Peak.

Level 78 team.

36% trophies if that's anything to go by.

Should I buy it again and progress further?


If you liked it, you should buy it. If not, you should still buy it, because it's still a great game.
Of course, the choice is yours, but only as long as it's a yes.

More seriously, there is no release date for DiRT Rally2 (or even confirmation of its existence). As for repurchasing DiRT Rally, I'd recommend it but ultimately it's your money and your choice: you should only really buy a game if you want to play it. Though, of course, you knew that already.
If you want to but don't want to pay full price, you could always wait for a sale, but again, it's up to you, as you already know.
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That milestone...

I think they've simply got their next project approved and managed to get a proper, full blown budget, coded a proper new-gen engine or a new iteration of Ego that's much better than the old one and able to incorporate many more features, and got a 'base' ready for the next game - basically a working game but with little to no content as of yet - and have reference and research material and are basically ready to make the next title.

Or maybe they've already reached the testing phase (doubtful, though they are prepping for a community test session, but that's probably for a VERY early version of the game, as it was with DiRT Rally back before they'd even named it...)

Or maybe they've secured some previously impossible licenses,

Or maybe... they've finally got something capable of properly doing the Safari Rally!

The possibilities really are endless. All that's certain is that it's NOT DLC for what is essentially an experimental project to prove a point to the men in the suits and to test the waters.
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That milestone...

I think they've simply got their next project approved and managed to get a proper, full blown budget, coded a proper new-gen engine or a new iteration of Ego that's much better than the old one and able to incorporate many more features, and got a 'base' ready for the next game - basically a working game but with little to no content as of yet - and have reference and research material and are basically ready to make the next title.

Or maybe they've already reached the testing phase (doubtful, though they are prepping for a community test session, but that's probably for a VERY early version of the game, as it was with DiRT Rally back before they'd even named it...)

Or maybe they've secured some previously impossible licenses,

Or maybe... they've finally got something capable of properly doing the Safari Rally!

The possibilities really are endless. All that's certain is that it's NOT DLC for what is essentially an experimental project to prove a point to the men in the suits and to test the waters.
Probably not that because they said a good while ago that they had something, that already made DR feel old. The testing could be more plausible
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Is there a release date for Dirt Rally 2?

I bought Dirt Rally Legend edition but it was the Dutch text cover version, so played it a while then returned it to amazon for a refund so I can buy the English language text version.

Thinking maybe I should just wait it out until Dirt Rally 2 is out. But I think I only scratched the surface of Dirt Rally, my progress was as follows;

Just started Elite championship Rally

Hardly touched Rally X so the FIA had just opened and I hadn't even bought a Rally X car for it yet.

Not touched Pikes Peak.

Level 78 team.

36% trophies if that's anything to go by.

Should I buy it again and progress further?


If you liked it, you should buy it. If not, you should still buy it, because it's still a great game.
Of course, the choice is yours, but only as long as it's a yes.

More seriously, there is no release date for DiRT Rally2 (or even confirmation of its existence). As for repurchasing DiRT Rally, I'd recommend it but ultimately it's your money and your choice: you should only really buy a game if you want to play it. Though, of course, you knew that already.
If you want to but don't want to pay full price, you could always wait for a sale, but again, it's up to you, as you already know.
Lol cool I'll probably buy another one. Wouldn't mind if a steelbook pops up for sale! 
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Of course, the choice is yours, but only as long as it's a yes.

More seriously, there is no release date for DiRT Rally2 (or even confirmation of its existence). As for repurchasing DiRT Rally, I'd recommend it but ultimately it's your money and your choice: you should only really buy a game if you want to play it. Though, of course, you knew that already.
If you want to but don't want to pay full price, you could always wait for a sale, but again, it's up to you, as you already know.
Lol cool I'll probably buy another one. Wouldn't mind if a steelbook pops up for sale! 
I'd reckon a sequel is probably at least 2 years off, even if it does get announced soon, so if you enjoyed the current game you should probably grab another copy to tide you over for a while.
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I want bring up a comment here that was in the desktop wallpaper thread.  There was a little discussion about the wheels on the Escort MK2.  I guess this is because its modeled off of Colin's car (it is), but here is my suggestion, why not have both the 13in wheel version and the McRae version.  Sure there is more to it than the graphics, but I would like to have some of these lesser variants in the game sometime.  I am sure it comes down the the L word so right now I am just talking our my butt...  Thats quite a site, and I had beans for lunch... :neutral:
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I want bring up a comment here that was in the desktop wallpaper thread.  There was a little discussion about the wheels on the Escort MK2.  I guess this is because its modeled off of Colin's car (it is), but here is my suggestion, why not have both the 13in wheel version and the McRae version.  Sure there is more to it than the graphics, but I would like to have some of these lesser variants in the game sometime.  I am sure it comes down the the L word so right now I am just talking our my butt...  Thats quite a site, and I had beans for lunch... :neutral:
L word?   Hmmm... I can only think of Lunch, Lucky, Lazy... Lurch... my sisters name... my aunts name...limerick?
I googled words that start with L, and it came up with limnic. Which is interesting. And Firefox wants to correct that to limn, which means something completely different. Darn you GF! I wasn't looking for a vocabulary lesson... How deep does this go? You've now provided me with at least an hour of entertainment.
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This is easily the most confusing dictionary definition of a word I've ever seen.
Lexemes : a basic lexical unit of a language, consisting of one word or several words, considered as an abstract unit, and applied to a family of words related by form or meaning.

Unfortunately no real fun words.
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JZStudios said:
Hmm. Saw about 3 minutes of InsaneGaz livestreaming and he said it doesn't allow full screen.

However, since our own resident @enamel has it, I can just ask him for the port report. Can I do triple screen? With the Horizon series I'm okay using a controller since my wheels a Fanatec. FH also does a great job of making every car feel unique, and about like you'd expect, while still simplifying it a bit.
What hardware do you have? I'm only running a 960 right now... think it'll handle it well?
Sorry @JZStudios been busy and just saw this. I am not sure about the triple screens, I am running an i5-6600K @4.2GHz, and a 980ti on a 1440p display. With that setup on the "high" preset (dynamic optimization off) I am just barely able to keep 60FPS in the city, which is the most demanding part of the game.

So triples on a 960 might push it a bit, but you might be able to make it work, I hear turning off MSAA helps a lot for performance. There will probably be a demo out soon, so I would recommend waiting for that if you are more patient than me.
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enamel said:
JZStudios said:
Hmm. Saw about 3 minutes of InsaneGaz livestreaming and he said it doesn't allow full screen.

However, since our own resident @enamel has it, I can just ask him for the port report. Can I do triple screen? With the Horizon series I'm okay using a controller since my wheels a Fanatec. FH also does a great job of making every car feel unique, and about like you'd expect, while still simplifying it a bit.
What hardware do you have? I'm only running a 960 right now... think it'll handle it well?
Sorry @JZStudios been busy and just saw this. I am not sure about the triple screens, I am running an i5-6600K @4.2GHz, and a 980ti on a 1440p display. With that setup on the "high" preset (dynamic optimization off) I am just barely able to keep 60FPS in the city, which is the most demanding part of the game.

So triples on a 960 might push it a bit, but you might be able to make it work, I hear turning off MSAA helps a lot for performance. There will probably be a demo out soon, so I would recommend waiting for that if you are more patient than me.
Yeah, according to Digital Foundry it basically requires some real high end hardware. MSAA is apparently a hell of a killer too.
And according to PRC it has some sort of DRM that's very CPU intensive and runs the entire time your playing. I was real excited for this, but seems like MS is failing at this whole store gamefront UWP thing.
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you want atleast a 980ti/1070gtx or 1080 gtx.

tbh going with a 980ti now would be silly unless its cheap as nvidia often make newer driver perform worse as time goes by on old cards.so you upgrade or have to because newer games want newer drivers.

shame as the performance is literally the same between a 980ti and a 1070.
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dgeesi0 said:
you want atleast a 980ti/1070gtx or 1080 gtx.

tbh going with a 980ti now would be silly unless its cheap as nvidia often make newer driver perform worse as time goes by on old cards.so you upgrade or have to because newer games want newer drivers.

shame as the performance is literally the same between a 980ti and a 1070.
So better to wait a year to upgrade for a faster 10XX card?
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shame as the performance is literally the same between a 980ti and a 1070.
I honestly love how misinformed your are on the subject of GPU performance. Here, have a nice video demonstrating that 1070 is faster than Titan X, let alone 980Ti ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epHr7Z_6nLo

gfRally said:
So better to wait a year to upgrade for a faster 10XX card?
If you're willing to wait a year, then you'll be looking at maybe even 11XX series of cards from nVidia, as they plan to have a new GPU released on every year on a special event of sorts. So either upgrade to 1080/1070 today... or wait a year for 11XX series. That's the gist of it. Your wallet most likely will be the main deciding factor I believe.
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gfRally said:
dgeesi0 said:
you want atleast a 980ti/1070gtx or 1080 gtx.

tbh going with a 980ti now would be silly unless its cheap as nvidia often make newer driver perform worse as time goes by on old cards.so you upgrade or have to because newer games want newer drivers.

shame as the performance is literally the same between a 980ti and a 1070.
So better to wait a year to upgrade for a faster 10XX card?
I have a 960, so it's worth it for me, but for you... yeah. Should probably hold off. The 1080ti should be dropping soon if you're one of those guys that likes to spend $600 every year.
However, I've also heard news that CPU's are bottlenecking the GPU so we'll have to see where that goes. I'm still waiting to see what AMD's Zen id going to be like.

The fact that the 1070 stock runs the Witcher 3 at 1440 at 70 FPS makes me ashamed of my 960 a little. I'm only running on medium/high at 1080 and still getting about 50. 1070 should do my triple screens pretty well though.
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gfRally said:
So better to wait a year to upgrade for a faster 10XX card?
If you're willing to wait a year, then you'll be looking at maybe even 11XX series of cards from nVidia, as they plan to have a new GPU released on every year on a special event of sorts. So either upgrade to 1080/1070 today... or wait a year for 11XX series. That's the gist of it. Your wallet most likely will be the main deciding factor I believe.
And a new GPU Architecture every 2 years.
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