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versedi said:
https://twitter.com/xtinamcf/status/981147631484358656?s=20

What is why?
I have no idea.
Maybe they have a big game, with a big license that they need to get out on a, tighter than usual, schedule and they need the workforce to get the job done properly and in time? You know, maybe...
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versedi said:
https://twitter.com/xtinamcf/status/981147631484358656?s=20

What is why?
Is Christine on the far left of this photo? I hope they are making a new Grid or Toca game and the new devs to give with their talent better graphics because the last 2 codies games (Dirt 4 , On rush) look pretty outdated
About lamb in Greece we roast the lamb on carbon it on Easter like that :



Not the best looking but very tasty..If seems to you very neaterdal style to cook a lamb a good alternative is to make it ragout (italian recipy) exactly as you make a bolognese sauce and instead of beef meat you replace it with lamb + rosmary for extra taste.. You support it with fat tagliatelle or pappardelle of eggs (fresh pasta if it is possible) In this was the lamb can be sweet too (as to make a good tomato sauce you have to add sugar).
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versedi said:
https://twitter.com/xtinamcf/status/981147631484358656?s=20

What is why?
Is Christine on the far left of this photo? I hope they are making a new Grid or Toca game and the new devs to give with their talent better graphics because the last 2 codies games (Dirt 4 , On rush) look pretty outdated

About lamb in Greece we eat it on Easter like that



Those comments are not allowed here, we want rally games, not grid or toca LOL ;p
I hope it is for WRC gameee
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versedi said:
https://twitter.com/xtinamcf/status/981147631484358656?s=20

What is why?
I have no idea.
Maybe they have a big game, with a big license that they need to get out on a, tighter than usual, schedule and they need the workforce to get the job done properly and in time? You know, maybe...
They're for sure working on something new, and I don't think it's F1 because that wouldn't be such a mystery... Codies have had the licence since 2010 so it's no news that they're working on it. ONRUSH is followed by a separated dev team, the ex Evo studious guys, and I don't think it requires more working force when they're so close to release. This leaves with

- new DiRT or offroad game (WRC wink wink) altough hiring new people only NOW probably means that the release is quite some time away...
- new GRID or TOCA game, the first one on next-gen (and by the response of the community this has more appeal than another DiRT, maybe because they haven't released any for sooo long...)
- the new devs will just help improve Ego engine to make sure it can compete with other racing games products and maybe has less tendency to create nasty bugs (F1 2017 online I'm looking at you) but this again wouldn't be something top secret...

I think there's a new game in the works, and that's a very good sign, but of which IP?

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carpa said:

I think there's a new game in the works, and that's a very good sign, but of which IP?

I'd, definitely, say something is in the works. Where are the GRID devs located? Are they in Southam as well? I know Birmingham is the F1 guys and Cheshire is the former Evo guys who are with OnRush.

carpa said:

- new DiRT or offroad game (WRC wink wink) altough hiring new people only NOW probably means that the release is quite some time away...

Not necessarily far away. It depends on what those people are for. If they are core programmers, then yes, that means the engine, the technology needs work and that's where the largest chunk of dev time is. If those people are like: environment artists, UI, or vehicle artists, they could be there to speed up modelling of content. Adding content to a solid base is easier than building the solid base itself.
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Yeah, hiring now would be far too late to have an impact on a game to be released in autumn. On the other hand, if Codies has the licence for next years WRC title and are planning ahead for that.....

Most likely there's a new Grid title in the works that'll be released late summer/early autumn, and a new rally game planned for next year. Dirt Rally 2 would be my guess, but WRC game would be awesome.

Would be happy to be proven wrong though :-) 
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versedi said:
https://twitter.com/xtinamcf/status/981147631484358656?s=20

What is why?
Is Christine on the far left of this photo? I hope they are making a new Grid or Toca game and the new devs to give with their talent better graphics because the last 2 codies games (Dirt 4 , On rush) look pretty outdated

About lamb in Greece we eat it on Easter like that



Those comments are not allowed here, we want rally games, not grid or toca LOL ;p
I hope it is for WRC gameee
Do not be greedy , we got Dirt games within 3 years and no any Grid/Toca game on current gen (which is almost last gen) , now its the asphalt game turn you like it or not..
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Do not be greedy , we got Dirt games within 3 years and no any Grid/Toca game , now its the asphalt game turning you like it or not..
I get it, but he is kind of right, you know? These are the DiRT forums and this is the DiRTy Gossip Thread. There are GRID forums to be used to talk about GRID.

Oh, and just because there hasn't been a GRID game in a while doesn't mean that Codemasters have to make one now or that it's even a good idea to make one now. It's not about greed, it's about the company being sensible. Look at the competition they face, on the market, when it comes to asphalt, circuit racing: Forza 7, GT Sport, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS 2. For me, PCARS 2, alone, is a GRID killer. It's GRID cranked up to eleven. Multiple disciplines, multi-class racing with an impressive selection of cars and tracks that is still expanding. There is no shortage in sim / simcade, asphalt racing games out there. It may not be worth the investment right now.
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Do not be greedy , we got Dirt games within 3 years and no any Grid/Toca game , now its the asphalt game turning you like it or not..
I get it, but he is kind of right, you know? These are the DiRT forums and this is the DiRTy Gossip Thread. There are GRID forums to be used to talk about GRID.

Oh, and just because there hasn't been a GRID game in a while doesn't mean that Codemasters have to make one now or that it's even a good idea to make one now. It's not about greed, it's about the company being sensible. Look at the competition they face, on the market, when it comes to asphalt, circuit racing: Forza 7, GT Sport, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS 2. For me, PCARS 2, alone, is a GRID killer. It's GRID cranked up to eleven. Multiple disciplines, multi-class racing with an impressive selection of cars and tracks that is still expanding. There is no shortage in sim / simcade, asphalt racing games out there. It may not be worth the investment right now.
1)Come on in this topic everyone speaks even for cooking recipies or whatever and your problem is i just said something about  the Grid/Toca game?
2)Grid series is not exactly like the games you say (PCARS 2 , Assetto Corsa , GT series) which are to the sim side.. Grid series is simicade , for me Grid 1 might be the best game i ahve played the last 10 years , this game was so famous and loved by many gamers also had won some BAFTA awords , the target group i not the same as this of assetto corsa , pcars 2 , GT series.. Personally i would prefer a new asphalt game (either Toca or Grid) , after uninstalling the mediocre Dirt 4 i am back to the best rally game so far called Dirt Rally , i am ok with that for some time ....
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Yeah, hiring now would be far too late to have an impact on a game to be released in autumn. On the other hand, if Codies has the licence for next years WRC title and are planning ahead for that.....

Most likely there's a new Grid title in the works that'll be released late summer/early autumn, and a new rally game planned for next year. Dirt Rally 2 would be my guess, but WRC game would be awesome.

Would be happy to be proven wrong though :-) 
AFAIK there was a lot of QA positions available so I think that actually would be time to get more people on testing and assuring everything's working as intended.

@MiatakiasGR why you need to write everything in bold?
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1)Come on in this topic everyone speaks even for cooking recipies or whatever and your problem is i just said something about  the Grid/Toca game?
That's why I said he's only "kind of" right. This thread has gone off the rails many times before and will, in all likelyhood, go off the rails many times more. You can talk about GRID here, if you want, but you didn't just comment on GRID, you made a request for it, and that's not to say a straight up demand. When you want to request a game, it looks better if you do it in the right place.
2)Grid series is not exactly like the games you say (PCARS 2 , Assetto Corsa , GT series) which are to the sim side.. Grid series is simicade , for me Grid 1 might be the best game i ahve played the last 10 years , this game was so famous and loved by many gamers also had won some BAFTA awords , the target group i not the same as this of assetto corsa , pcars 2 , GT series.. Personally i would prefer a new asphalt game (either Toca or Grid) , after uninstalling the mediocre Dirt 4 i am back to the best rally game so far called Dirt Rally , i am ok with that for some time ....
The only real difference, or possible selling point, is the physics. GRID is a simcade and the others are sims (although there are those who say GT, Forza and even PCARS are simcade as well). However, that's exactly GRID's problem: people tend to want sims. One of the first questions that pops up, almost immediately, after a racing game is announced, is: is this arcade? Not because they want they want the game to be arcade but because they want assurances that it's sim.

GRID (even as a franchise) only won one BAFTA award, by the way, not several. It did deserve the one it won, but there really wasn't anything much like it, at the time. The GRID series hasn't been doing so well since. It was famous and loved, as you said, emphasis on the 'was'. I don't see the hunger for it now, at least not in the racing game populace at large. If they were to release a GRID game now, even if it wasn't intended to compete against those other titles I mentioned, the simple fact is people would compare it to them, anyway, and reviewers would view the simpler physics as something that the game did not get to the level of the others. You may have the intentions of making a game for a specific group, but if the market won't see it that way, you're game won't sell. In the end, it's the behavior of the market that says whether it's good or not to release a certain game. Right now, Codemasters has a much more solid foot, in the market, with DiRT than they do with GRID.
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But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
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versedi said:
Dytut said:
Yeah, hiring now would be far too late to have an impact on a game to be released in autumn. On the other hand, if Codies has the licence for next years WRC title and are planning ahead for that.....

Most likely there's a new Grid title in the works that'll be released late summer/early autumn, and a new rally game planned for next year. Dirt Rally 2 would be my guess, but WRC game would be awesome.

Would be happy to be proven wrong though :-) 
AFAIK there was a lot of QA positions available so I think that actually would be time to get more people on testing and assuring everything's working as intended.

@MiatakiasGR why you need to write everything in bold?
I just see the letters better..
1)Come on in this topic everyone speaks even for cooking recipies or whatever and your problem is i just said something about  the Grid/Toca game?
That's why I said he's only "kind of" right. This thread has gone off the rails many times before and will, in all likelyhood, go off the rails many times more. You can talk about GRID here, if you want, but you didn't just comment on GRID, you made a request for it, and that's not to say a straight up demand. When you want to request a game, it looks better if you do it in the right place.
2)Grid series is not exactly like the games you say (PCARS 2 , Assetto Corsa , GT series) which are to the sim side.. Grid series is simicade , for me Grid 1 might be the best game i ahve played the last 10 years , this game was so famous and loved by many gamers also had won some BAFTA awords , the target group i not the same as this of assetto corsa , pcars 2 , GT series.. Personally i would prefer a new asphalt game (either Toca or Grid) , after uninstalling the mediocre Dirt 4 i am back to the best rally game so far called Dirt Rally , i am ok with that for some time ....
The only real difference, or possible selling point, is the physics. GRID is a simcade and the others are sims (although there are those who say GT, Forza and even PCARS are simcade as well). However, that's exactly GRID's problem: people tend to want sims. One of the first questions that pops up, almost immediately, after a racing game is announced, is: is this arcade? Not because they want they want the game to be arcade but because they want assurances that it's sim.

GRID (even as a franchise) only won one BAFTA award, by the way, not several. It did deserve the one it won, but there really wasn't anything much like it, at the time. The GRID series hasn't been doing so well since. It was famous and loved, as you said, emphasis on the 'was'. I don't see the hunger for it now, at least not in the racing game populace at large. If they were to release a GRID game now, even if it wasn't intended to compete against those other titles I mentioned, the simple fact is people would compare it to them, anyway, and reviewers would view the simpler physics as something that the game did not get to the level of the others. You may have the intentions of making a game for a specific group, but if the market won't see it that way, you're game won't sell. In the end, it's the behavior of the market that says whether it's good or not to release a certain game. Right now, Codemasters has a much more solid foot, in the market, with DiRT than they do with GRID.
Ok i respect this and i dont speak more about Grid game but i will be happier with any Grid / Toca game than the 3rd codemaster rally within 4 years..
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But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
For the same reason people, who like arcade games, want new ones to come out. Because new game-engines, better technology, better graphics, new physics and gameplay features, new selection of cars et al.
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But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
For the same reason people, who like arcade games, want new ones to come out. Because new game-engines, better technology, better graphics, new physics and gameplay features, new selection of cars et al.
Exactly, so I would assume that the market for both games are equal in size. And some like myself enjoy both types of game.
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But why are people so sim crazy. All you need is one or two good sims spanning several Motorsports and tracks and play that same game for years. Why do people constantly need a new one to come out? If you got a good sim why do people need a new one?
For the same reason people, who like arcade games, want new ones to come out. Because new game-engines, better technology, better graphics, new physics and gameplay features, new selection of cars et al.
Exactly, so I would assume that the market for both games are equal in size. And some like myself enjoy both types of game.
I don't think most people are sim crazy. Most people that seek out the specialist websites like this, pcars and f1 might be (ie 1% of the userbase), but the "standard" games purchaser isn't.

The standard games purchaser wants to believe that the game is as real as possible but more so than this is fun to play. If it isn't fun to play then they will dump it in short order. Whereas your sim fanatic gets their kicks out of believing they are actually driving something as close to the real thing as possible. And if that makes the game difficult or unplayable, well that's just something to be overcome and enable them to claim they are "elite" compared to gamers.

Sims are not where sales are at the moment. Look at PCars 2 vs. Forza Horizon and GT Sport.

That said, it should be possible to go for both camps. It should be relatively easy to turn a sim into a less demanding experience. Turning a less demanding experience into a sim, that's the hard bit. Or at least should be.


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I think the issue is that sim games really haven't improved all that much over the years. Compared to other games graphically they're definitely way behind, except for Horizon, which isn't a sim, so. I guess toss the main Forza in that too.
I really hope Codies make a new engine and stop trying to constantly update Ego. It's just not working that well anymore.
I love both arcade and sim games..
If CM decide to make a rally game i would like to be close to Dirt rally...If they decide to make aan asphalt game i would like to be either close to Toca 3 or Grid 1.. (i speak about handling , physics)
I just hope they make a Dirt Rally 2 and not a Dirt Rally 2.0 with slightly tweaked physics.
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Just my ultimate 2 cents on GRID.

If Codemasters really wanted to bring back that franchise and really do so with a bang, it was simple: they should have given it to the Evolution Studios guys. Evolution Studios shut down after developing and, brilliantly supporting, Driveclub. To me, it's still a great game and one of the best simcade road/track titles out there, hands down. Paul Rustchynsky, head of Evo, said that, even though the original studio was shutting down, almost everyone from the dev team was staying together. This meant that, even if they lost the work they made for Driveclub, they had all the know-how, still onboard, to rebuild it again.

With that in mind, could you imagine a GRID with Driveclub's detailed car models, great track design, excellent handling on the sweet spot between sim and arcade, amazing lighting (full day-night cycle) and weather effects? It would blow all GRIDs, that came before it, out of the water.

Instead, the guys that came from Evo are working on ONRUSH. Something along the lines of Motorstorm, rather than Driveclub's more serious racing. That's their plan for the arcade market. I don't see GRID coming back soon.
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Jack4688 said:
Combine rallying, rallycross and circuit racing and call it GRIDiRT
this would be a business suicide. Dirt is more popular than grid also why would use fuse all titles ? you make a clear product of its best for each title. that way your audience isnt confused.

watch now next titles will be exactly what you just said..... :D



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Just my ultimate 2 cents on GRID.

If Codemasters really wanted to bring back that franchise and really do so with a bang, it was simple: they should have given it to the Evolution Studios guys. Evolution Studios shut down after developing and, brilliantly supporting, Driveclub. To me, it's still a great game and one of the best simcade road/track titles out there, hands down. Paul Rustchynsky, head of Evo, said that, even though the original studio was shutting down, almost everyone from the dev team was staying together. This meant that, even if they lost the work they made for Driveclub, they had all the know-how, still onboard, to rebuild it again.

With that in mind, could you imagine a GRID with Driveclub's detailed car models, great track design, excellent handling on the sweet spot between sim and arcade, amazing lighting (full day-night cycle) and weather effects? It would blow all GRIDs, that came before it, out of the water.

Instead, the guys that came from Evo are working on ONRUSH. Something along the lines of Motorstorm, rather than Driveclub's more serious racing. That's their plan for the arcade market. I don't see GRID coming back soon.
Yeah i agree , i would like Evolution studios to make a new Grid game with point to point tracks all over the world than circuits.. I am PC users so i had not the chance to buy the brilliant Drive Club , i just have tested it at a friend of mine on PS4..I was excited after CM hired Evolution , i thought they will create a game like Drive club but instead we got a bad copy of Motorstorm called On Rush..So i dont think Evolution studios will make any close a new Drive Club stryle game..
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i dont get why the Evo guys dont make a game like Drive club . most liked it was a great game. codies have there titles. surely it would make sense to do that.
It's possible that the previous owner of Evolution Studios (which I think was Sony) have placed a refusal (if this isn't the right term forgive me :#) so that the developers hired at Codemasters can't do a game similar to DriveClub before a number of years. Something similar to how BBC prohibited The Grand Tour to have some characteristics from Top Gear. That's just wild speculation though

Roll in F1 and call it:
Formula 1 Grid Dirt
...sounds like a driver complaining about starting on the dirty side of the track!
GRF1DiRT. Sounds as good as Alonso shouting GP2 ENGINE at your home GP when you're a Honda engineer
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Just my ultimate 2 cents on GRID.

If Codemasters really wanted to bring back that franchise and really do so with a bang, it was simple: they should have given it to the Evolution Studios guys. Evolution Studios shut down after developing and, brilliantly supporting, Driveclub. To me, it's still a great game and one of the best simcade road/track titles out there, hands down. Paul Rustchynsky, head of Evo, said that, even though the original studio was shutting down, almost everyone from the dev team was staying together. This meant that, even if they lost the work they made for Driveclub, they had all the know-how, still onboard, to rebuild it again.

With that in mind, could you imagine a GRID with Driveclub's detailed car models, great track design, excellent handling on the sweet spot between sim and arcade, amazing lighting (full day-night cycle) and weather effects? It would blow all GRIDs, that came before it, out of the water.

Instead, the guys that came from Evo are working on ONRUSH. Something along the lines of Motorstorm, rather than Driveclub's more serious racing. That's their plan for the arcade market. I don't see GRID coming back soon.
I quite liked Grid AS but it didn't sell well according to the charting sites. Grid 2 I remember reading somewhere was supposedly Codies most expensive ever game. I don't think that did too well either. I get the impression that the Grid team disappeared en mass after Grid AS. I would like to see Grid AS in backwards compatibility for Xbox. I reckon that;s the most anyone can expect from Grid.

Re a new Grid game, what is that going to offer that existing games don't ? It overlaps considerably with Forza, GTSport and some other games. You could make the handling accessible and the game easy to play. But I think you would need a rock solid online, something that Codies seem to have stuggled with in F1. VR might up the sales, but the current hardware is not powerful enough and is there the userbase there yet ?

I don't see any clear market for Grid 3.With onrush I see what they are trying to do there. A lot of people seem to like Motorstorm and want another and there seems to be a gap in the market to go for. I hope it works out, even if it's not something I am into.
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I wonder if the evolution studios team were already working on Onrush prior to being taken on by Codemasters?
Definitely agree that a new Grid/Toca game made by them would be absolutely amazing though, who knows what CM have in store after they’ve finished working on Onrush :)
I do hope that CM are utilising their skills to help the development of new F1 and Dirt games too but definitely think resurrecting the Dirt/Toca franchise would be perfect for them 
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Codemasters don’t have the WRC licence. Fact. 
Can't believe I missed this post. So that's why you were laughing at CodingRacer.

If Codemasters really doesn't have anything to do with the WRC, give the proof of your statement and end the senseless speculation. It'll hurt whatever they're working on now if you let the hype, needlessly build up too much. I'm sure you won't be violating any NDA by saying they're not affiliated with the WRC if they truly have nothing to do with the WRC. In fact, we'll just be back to square one, or should I say: square zero, to be more precise.
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Speaking of GRID and DiRT, GRID is pretty done to me. GRID Autosport was the last good title of the franchise and of course you may want to ignore the cockpit texturing which went wrong.. There is no need to carry on with such franchise when the market is competitive and compelling the developers to compete against the racing giants such as AC, PC2, Forza and GT.. It is pretty much up to CMs to decide whether it is ideal to start planning for a whole new tarmac racing franchise with a respectable budget.

DiRT, for the moment, is the top competitor on the rally games chart. Because of this, I don't see that CMs are planning for a new GRID or any tarmac racing title whatsoever.
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Ya, I can see that. Its just that no one is doing Touring Car Racing in their games. Some of them have Touring cars in the game but not a whole field of BTCC, WTCR or DTM.
RaceRoom does touring cars. It has multiple seasons of DTM and WTCC (and some classic DTM and Group A), and will have WTCR soon. 
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So there's still the BTCC, although from many past discussions, it sounds licensing it is difficult, convoluted or expensive.

Assetto Corsa Competizione is focussing on the GT Blancpain series, so that's a single-series game. It'll be interesting to see how well it sells.
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Speaking of GRID and DiRT, GRID is pretty done to me. GRID Autosport was the last good title of the franchise and of course you may want to ignore the cockpit texturing which went wrong.. There is no need to carry on with such franchise when the market is competitive and compelling the developers to compete against the racing giants such as AC, PC2, Forza and GT.. It is pretty much up to CMs to decide whether it is ideal to start planning for a whole new tarmac racing franchise with a respectable budget.

DiRT, for the moment, is the top competitor on the rally games chart. Because of this, I don't see that CMs are planning for a new GRID or any tarmac racing title whatsoever.
Reasons why i am confident that CM will release any tarmac game: (Grid or Toca)
Grid is not same as AC, PC2, Forza and GT , its way more arcade..

Codemasters are always doing the unexpected and unthinkable like:
1) They release the Grid Autosport just after a year of Grid 2 release which supposed to be an improved version of the great Grid 1 that definitely was a joke..

2) They suddenly released Dirt Rally on steam without any announcement , the game was the most sim game of company's history the time that they have moved to the arcade side (f1 racing stars , micromachines , Dirt 3 , Grid 2 , Dirt showdown etc)

3) Everyone was happy when heard that CM got F1 rights on 2010 went to buy the game and his smile faded from the lips when he realized how much arcade the physics and handling is..

4) Dirt showdown dedicated to demolition derby events for Grid's 1 derby lovers (i am one of them) was one of the worst game of company..

5) While Dirt rally has the potential to be the best rally ever (and for me still is) with the community to be more than happy with it they decided to easy kill it not releasing any DLC and new content but to release almost after a year the pretty mediocre Dirt 4 .. They were speaking about improved handling model and physics compare to Dirt rally and the next gen level stage's design called "generated stages" which definitely was a joke too... Now  the Dirt 4 which suppose to be the flagship of the company satisfying both arcade and sim style racers almost after a year looks just abandoned (no DLC , plans etc)

6) They got incorporated Evolution studios that their latest game was the great Drive Club on PS4 and instead of order them to make a game like that (which was close to CM spirit (pure racing game , sport cars etc) ,  they ordered to make a game like ON Rush (that it is not even a racing game but more a battle game according the videos i have watched on tube) which is not even close to Motorstorm of PS3 .....

Conclusions....?

For all these reasons yeah i am sure my friends , codies are making a tarmac game and i am happy for that! ;) :D :p :#


 


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I would rather go on with a thorough conclusion that DiRT Rally and DiRT 4 are as good as they are immaculate with no further DLCs so this microtransactions policy wouldnt demonise the company's credibility and genuine ambitions.. 

Expectations for GRID are very low at the moment so no serious planning has ever been considered since the release of DLCs for post-Autosport.


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