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I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC.

As for the announcement time, the DiRT Grand Final would be a nice place, if the new game uses DiRT branding. If it doesn't and it's just WRC 8, then they could also announce it during Rally Portugal, a very popular WRC event. What I do know is, if they're going to make something for this year, as Daniel Elena's leak suggests someone is working on something 2018 related, then the time to announce is starting to run out.
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We are into solid territory now for the announcement of .... something ?!

i) 1 year ago almost to the day WRC7 was announced.
ii) Big Bens Finance report I think end May.
iii) Big Ben stand at E3.
iv) E3 mid June.

Problem is that if there is going to be some sort of announcement by Codies that will make them awfully busy. Got Onrush release, F1 2018 and maybe XXX to announce all within a few weeks ? Time for the pro plus or expresso from hell.
F1 2018 was sort of announced today so you were right. But given how little the announcement says I think it didn't take long for them to do it
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don't be that guy, don't be that guy, don't be that......


I give up


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I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC.


It would cost them a lot less to make though; they already have the rules, half the tracks, most of the cars and, clearly, a good relationship with a promoter who actually sees the value in games to promote their championship, instead of as a purely direct money-making licencing tool.
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don't be that guy, don't be that guy, don't be that......


I give up


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I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC.


It would cost them a lot less to make though; they already have the rules, half the tracks, most of the cars and, clearly, a good relationship with a promoter who actually sees the value in games to promote their championship, instead of as a purely direct money-making licencing tool.
Yeah, I just don't think enough people would pay full price for it. Maybe 29$ or something like that?

Excuse me, I will now go have an eXXpresso.

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Yeah, I just don't think enough people would pay full price for it. Maybe 29$ or something like that?
I could see it sell for 60€ if it's got all the championship's tracks (plus Lydden Hill as it's already made), all the 2018 teams and drivers (although the Mégane RS and the i20 licenses would probably be extremely hard to get), a fair amount of S1600s and touring cars, and maybe the Speedcar they've got in DiRT 4, and it would have a fair amount of content.

But I'm not sure if there's a big enough audience for that.
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Oscar97 said:
bogani said:
Yeah, I just don't think enough people would pay full price for it. Maybe 29$ or something like that?
I could see it sell for 60€ if it's got all the championship's tracks (plus Lydden Hill as it's already made), all the 2018 teams and drivers (although the Mégane RS and the i20 licenses would probably be extremely hard to get), a fair amount of S1600s and touring cars, and maybe the Speedcar they've got in DiRT 4, and it would have a fair amount of content.

But I'm not sure if there's a big enough audience for that.
No rally no buy for me
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Anyone willing to speculate on what Codemasters posted from the DiRT twitter page? 
“Nice that @Formula1game gets to announce a new game and that @onrushgame get to launch a beta today! Very cool. 

... Not the coolest thing going on at @Codemasters though, if you ask us. ??”

Sounds like something big is going on behind the scenes related to the DiRT series :)
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Anyone willing to speculate on what Codemasters posted from the DiRT twitter page? 
“Nice that @Formula1game gets to announce a new game and that @onrushgame get to launch a beta today! Very cool. 

... Not the coolest thing going on at @Codemasters though, if you ask us. ??”

Sounds like something big is going on behind the scenes related to the DiRT series :)
Oh they are so hiding something. Yes, "OF COURSE" it's just the World Championships, they've been doing nothing other than organizing that. :D
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Anyone willing to speculate on what Codemasters posted from the DiRT twitter page? 
“Nice that @Formula1game gets to announce a new game and that @onrushgame get to launch a beta today! Very cool. 

... Not the coolest thing going on at @Codemasters though, if you ask us. ??”

Sounds like something big is going on behind the scenes related to the DiRT series :)
It must be WRC8
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DiRT 5, DiRT Rally 2 or WRC 2018... place your bets ;)
DiRT Rally 2 with officially licensed WRC content? Like DiRT 3 had?

Actually, come to think about it, they announced F1 2018 with the logo, then 2018 and below "The Official Videogame".
So announce WRC 2018 The Official Videogame.
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Honestly, DiRT Rally isn't massively different from other DiRT games IMO, so I don't think there would be any difference between DiRT Rally 2 and DiRT 5, other than the name DiRT Rally 2 maybe being less marketable.
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Honestly, DiRT Rally isn't massively different from other DiRT games IMO, so I don't think there would be any difference between DiRT Rally 2 and DiRT 5, other than the name DiRT Rally 2 being less marketable.
Do think it’s too soon for DiRT 5 with the last game being less than a year old, kind of takes that one out of the running. 
DiRT Rally 2 would please a lot of fans but like you say may not be quite as marketable?
WRC 2018 however seems the likely contender given the lack of news from anywhere else on the next instalment in the WRC series.  
...Plus Paul Rustchynsky did say at the start of the developer conference for Onrush that Codemasters were “forging a new era to become the worlds number one racing studio”.  
How better to kick start that new era than to not only have the official F1 game license but also the official WRC license too. Just food for thought ;)
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Honestly, DiRT Rally isn't massively different from other DiRT games IMO, so I don't think there would be any difference between DiRT Rally 2 and DiRT 5, other than the name DiRT Rally 2 being less marketable.
Do think it’s too soon for DiRT 5 with the last game being less than a year old, kind of takes that one out of the running. 
DiRT Rally 2 would please a lot of fans but like you say may not be quite as marketable?
WRC 2018 however seems the likely contender given the lack of news from anywhere else on the next instalment in the WRC series.  
...Plus Paul Rustchynsky did say at the start of the developer conference for Onrush that Codemasters were “forging a new era to become the worlds number one racing studio”.  
How better to kick start that new era than to not only have the official F1 game license but also the official WRC license too. Just food for thought ;)
Considering F1 and WRC are two of the largest giants, in terms of viewership worldwide. They already have a F1 Studio, a studio doing Arcade games (and they're good at it) and they have a rally studio. Give the Rally studio WRC and that's a step towards becoming the world's number 1 racing studio.
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I don’t really like the way everyone seems to put ‘dirt rally 2’ and ‘dirt 5’ as two completely different games. Dirt 4 has some handling flaws, but people seem to forget it was/is a simulator. The only difference between the two games was really budget and scale. Unfortunately not everything in the handling for dirt 4 improved over dirt rally for whatever reason, but that’s not to say that dirt 5 handling isn’t going to be as realistic is dirt rally 2 (not talking about any ‘gamer’ mode obviously)
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I don’t really like the way everyonyee seems to put ‘dirt rally 2’ and ‘dirt 5’ as two completely different games. Dirt 4 has some handling flaws, but people seem to forget it was/is a simulator. The only difference between the two games was really budget and scale. Unfortunately not everything in the handling for dirt 4 improved over dirt rally for whatever reason, but that’s not to say that dirt 5 handling isn’t going to be as realistic is dirt rally 2 (not talking about any ‘gamer’ mode obviously)
Yeahhh I don't know really. They tried to mix things up with D4 and combine fun with the more hardcore DR appeal. In the end it didn't really work in my opinion. Neither DR hardcore fans or fans of the more arcadey party type Dirt were really pleased in the end.

Let numbered Dirt titles be all about fun gameplay with infected/cat and mouse type of gameplay and let a potential Dirt Rally 2 be all about hard core rallying with RX as a side dish.

Just my two cents :)
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I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 
I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 
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Something definitily feels up. F1 announcement much shorter than usual, no videos etc.

I notice PCars are releasing a mobile PCars game, which seems a bit weird seeing as it is sim orientated. Still haven't heard anything from them re the fast and the furious.
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I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 
I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 
If you have a larger pool of fans, it seems logical that the percentage of those who are gamers will also be larger. True, there's more to rally and rallycross than their respective world championships, but those major championships are the ones most likely to be followed, so I think it's fair to use them as a metric for how much attention the sport gathers. If you're going to analyze how many people watch open-wheel, you're not going to use Formula 3 as your basis, are you?

dirt3joe said:
Something definitily feels up. F1 announcement much shorter than usual, no videos etc.

I notice PCars are releasing a mobile PCars game, which seems a bit weird seeing as it is sim orientated. Still haven't heard anything from them re the fast and the furious.
Can you tell me where you see this mobile game? I'm just curious. I've seen apps for PCARS 2, but not a game.

Something is definitely cooking and, as a fan of things, rally related, that Codemasters does, I can't wait to find out what's in store.

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tbtstt said:
I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 
I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 
If you have a larger pool of fans, it seems logical that the percentage of those who are gamers will also be larger. True, there's more to rally and rallycross than their respective world championships, but those major championships are the ones most likely to be followed, so I think it's fair to use them as a metric for how much attention the sport gathers. If you're going to analyze how many people watch open-wheel, you're not going to use Formula 3 as your basis, are you?

dirt3joe said:
Something definitily feels up. F1 announcement much shorter than usual, no videos etc.

I notice PCars are releasing a mobile PCars game, which seems a bit weird seeing as it is sim orientated. Still haven't heard anything from them re the fast and the furious.
Can you tell me where you see this mobile game? I'm just curious. I've seen apps for PCARS 2, but not a game.

Something is definitely cooking and, as a fan of things, rally related, that Codemasters does, I can't wait to find out what's in store.
Eurogamer.

F1 was not announced on Eurogamer either (usually is). Pretty low-key.
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Here’s a thought, if Codemasters really are working on WRC 2018 and are now the official licence holders, ...do you think they’ll go for the more ‘sim-cade’ handling style of recent F1 games? or do you think they’ll go for the more ‘simulation’ focussed handling of DiRT Rally given its reception when compared to DiRT 4?

Personally I really think that if they do have the official licence then they will want to do similarly to what they’ve done with the F1 games any try to maximise the sales and appeal of the games to newcomers, meaning they’ll probably go for a more ‘sim-cade’ and approachable handling style. 
I also think that if they were to return to the more ‘simulation’ focussed approach then they could use the ‘DiRT Rally’ name as a spin off series for the more hardcore players, ie DiRT Rally 2, 3 etc
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dirt3joe said:
tbtstt said:
I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 
I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 
If you have a larger pool of fans, it seems logical that the percentage of those who are gamers will also be larger. True, there's more to rally and rallycross than their respective world championships, but those major championships are the ones most likely to be followed, so I think it's fair to use them as a metric for how much attention the sport gathers. If you're going to analyze how many people watch open-wheel, you're not going to use Formula 3 as your basis, are you?

dirt3joe said:
Something definitily feels up. F1 announcement much shorter than usual, no videos etc.

I notice PCars are releasing a mobile PCars game, which seems a bit weird seeing as it is sim orientated. Still haven't heard anything from them re the fast and the furious.
Can you tell me where you see this mobile game? I'm just curious. I've seen apps for PCARS 2, but not a game.

Something is definitely cooking and, as a fan of things, rally related, that Codemasters does, I can't wait to find out what's in store.
Eurogamer.

F1 was not announced on Eurogamer either (usually is). Pretty low-key.
Thanks. Just found it. But PCARS GO as the name? Seriously?

Here’s a thought, if Codemasters really are working on WRC 2018 and are now the official licence holders, ...do you think they’ll go for the more ‘sim-cade’ handling style of recent F1 games? or do you think they’ll go for the more ‘simulation’ focussed handling of DiRT Rally given its reception when compared to DiRT 4? 
More simulation I'd say. Kylotton's games were getting more hardcore and got more positive reviews as they went on.
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dirt3joe said:
tbtstt said:
I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 
I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 
If you have a larger pool of fans, it seems logical that the percentage of those who are gamers will also be larger. True, there's more to rally and rallycross than their respective world championships, but those major championships are the ones most likely to be followed, so I think it's fair to use them as a metric for how much attention the sport gathers. If you're going to analyze how many people watch open-wheel, you're not going to use Formula 3 as your basis, are you?

dirt3joe said:
Something definitily feels up. F1 announcement much shorter than usual, no videos etc.

I notice PCars are releasing a mobile PCars game, which seems a bit weird seeing as it is sim orientated. Still haven't heard anything from them re the fast and the furious.
Can you tell me where you see this mobile game? I'm just curious. I've seen apps for PCARS 2, but not a game.

Something is definitely cooking and, as a fan of things, rally related, that Codemasters does, I can't wait to find out what's in store.
Eurogamer.

F1 was not announced on Eurogamer either (usually is). Pretty low-key.
Thanks. Just found it. But PCARS GO as the name? Seriously?

Here’s a thought, if Codemasters really are working on WRC 2018 and are now the official licence holders, ...do you think they’ll go for the more ‘sim-cade’ handling style of recent F1 games? or do you think they’ll go for the more ‘simulation’ focussed handling of DiRT Rally given its reception when compared to DiRT 4? 
More simulation I'd say. Kylotton's games were getting more hardcore and got more positive reviews as they went on.

Very interesting, personally I hope they do too, but I guess sales figures will probably mean more to Codemasters and the big suits in charge (FIA?) than critics reviews which could influence the future direction of the games
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I too don't think there's enough audience for a WRX game. I did the numbers, a while back, and WRX doesn't pull anywhere near as many viewers as the WRC. 
I think that is a rather restricted view of the subject, I would think any comparison would have to look at a wider interest in rallycross versus rally: both disciplines are more than just a World Championship and, globally, rally surely has the biggest following.

That said, the percentage of rallycross viewers who regularly play games might be a very different statistic given the audience that rallycross - specifically World Rallycross - seem to be targeting. 
If you have a larger pool of fans, it seems logical that the percentage of those who are gamers will also be larger. True, there's more to rally and rallycross than their respective world championships, but those major championships are the ones most likely to be followed, so I think it's fair to use them as a metric for how much attention the sport gathers. If you're going to analyze how many people watch open-wheel, you're not going to use Formula 3 as your basis, are you?

Rally has a much larger pool of fans, but I wonder if the social media-centric approach of the World Rallycross Championship is attracting more younger (i.e. game playing) fans. Given that very few of the CMR/DiRT games have included licensed WRC content I wonder how relevant interest in that rally Championship alone is when assessing the potential audience for a new title.
Accro2008 said:
DiRTy gossip thread right now :

Tell me if i forgot anything.  :#
HA! This is spot on! (Though maybe needs a cake or random bit of food beside the Tunnocks logo to account for the random food reviews by @ChristinaMc).
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Here’s a thought, if Codemasters really are working on WRC 2018 and are now the official licence holders, ...do you think they’ll go for the more ‘sim-cade’ handling style of recent F1 games? or do you think they’ll go for the more ‘simulation’ focussed handling of DiRT Rally given its reception when compared to DiRT 4?

Personally I really think that if they do have the official licence then they will want to do similarly to what they’ve done with the F1 games any try to maximise the sales and appeal of the games to newcomers, meaning they’ll probably go for a more ‘sim-cade’ and approachable handling style. 
I also think that if they were to return to the more ‘simulation’ focussed approach then they could use the ‘DiRT Rally’ name as a spin off series for the more hardcore players, ie DiRT Rally 2, 3 etc
You can have like in D4 two different physics, just leave arcade physics like they were in DiRT4 and tweak Sim physics a bit (R5's and R2's are good in my opinion)

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Here’s a thought, if Codemasters really are working on WRC 2018 and are now the official licence holders, ...do you think they’ll go for the more ‘sim-cade’ handling style of recent F1 games? or do you think they’ll go for the more ‘simulation’ focussed handling of DiRT Rally given its reception when compared to DiRT 4?

Personally I really think that if they do have the official licence then they will want to do similarly to what they’ve done with the F1 games any try to maximise the sales and appeal of the games to newcomers, meaning they’ll probably go for a more ‘sim-cade’ and approachable handling style. 
I also think that if they were to return to the more ‘simulation’ focussed approach then they could use the ‘DiRT Rally’ name as a spin off series for the more hardcore players, ie DiRT Rally 2, 3 etc
You can have like in D4 two different physics, just leave arcade physics like they were in DiRT4 and tweak Sim physics a bit (R5's and R2's are good in my opinion)

This would easily be the best way Codemasters could go, not just with the DiRT games but also their F1 games too. 
Seems like all of their games have two types of fans; the “casual” player that’s after a fun and enjoyable experience using nothing more than a gamepad controller, ...and also the more “hardcore” fan that longs for as realistic an experience as possible using a wheel and pedal set up.  

I’m no expert in game coding but would it be even possible to have vastly different handling models in the one game? Or does there have to be a middleground where they have to focus more on one or the other?

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just have the abolity to turn on aids would be best way to satisfy everyone , just like in all sims  nowadays

True, but isn’t that what Codemasters have been doing for nearly 8 years of F1 games? And yet they still people criticising the handling as ‘sim-cade’? Must admit though that when with no traction control, abs or any kind of braking or cornering assists the games are still quite easy even with a controller. 
I’m curious to know if players of DiRT Rally that use just a controller prefferred the handling model of DiRT Rally or DiRT 4?
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Raceroom leaderboards show in which mode have you setted the laptime, which I think it is cool, Sim handling should be locked to use no aids just pure feeling, and arcade apart from an easier handling you can turn on the aids so everyone can play the game and think they drive like ogier lol
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https://twitter.com/dirtgame/status/996448581593821184?s=20
https://twitter.com/dirtgame/status/996450094688894977?s=20

I don't believe you. Not. One. Bit. Expecially after this.

https://twitter.com/wrcthegame/status/996127222388985856?s=20

All eyes on Rally Portugal.
See, DiRTy Gossip, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push.

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I’m curious to know if players of DiRT Rally that use just a controller prefferred the handling model of DiRT Rally or DiRT 4?
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carpa said:
https://twitter.com/wrcthegame/status/996127222388985856?s=20

This is because the E-Sports championship round is run at the same time. I don't think this is related to anything else.

EDIT: By the way, poor Quentin Gilbert. His crash is on most Portugal rally adverts I see. The man's fail is immortalized.
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I’m curious to know if players of DiRT Rally that use just a controller prefferred the handling model of DiRT Rally or DiRT 4?
DiRT Rally                                                                                                                    

 I actually disagree, though I wonder if that's due to our preference in cars @SkiddyMcCrash ?

 I mostly play with the modern 4WD and rallycross Supercars, all of which I thought were better in DiRT 4. Of those the rallycross cars felt the biggest improvement to me, as the cars no longer seemed to "snap" like they did in DiRT Rally.

I didn't think the RWD felt as good in D4. 
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carpa said:
https://twitter.com/wrcthegame/status/996127222388985856?s=20

This is because the E-Sports championship round is run at the same time. I don't think this is related to anything else.

EDIT: By the way, poor Quentin Gilbert. His crash is on most Portugal rally adverts I see. The man's fail is immortalized.
I think the intrigue is coming from the two question marks in the Tweet.
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