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 i know it probably wont happen , but really its such a no brainer from a consumer standpoint.Release the sim in its infancy, slowly build it with customer feedback and everyone is happy as "we ' all created it .Tack on DLc on top of the "base" game and keep add ons coming to guarantee longevity.
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They should stop making rally games. They failed on the last two rally games as is. Why support them making more. Empty promises that go no where. Better yet, shut down the forums. They don't use them anyway. No point in talking about things that wont be listened to by the people that matter.
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 i know it probably wont happen , but really its such a no brainer from a consumer standpoint.Release the sim in its infancy, slowly build it with customer feedback and everyone is happy as "we ' all created it .Tack on DLc on top of the "base" game and keep add ons coming to guarantee longevity.
Meh, then you run into the pricing schemes of things like Raceroom and iRacing.
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I don’t like paying for a game as time goes on. I prefer to pay for the game all at once up front and then DLC should be free unless it’s a huge expansion.
I’d prefer paying the dev to add more content as time goes on, providing it is a game of the quality of DR. It’s worth it you like the look of what they’re offering and if not, you’re not obliged to buy it. I don’t see why it should be for free because they are afterall operating to make money and pay salaries etc. ‘For free’ would most likely mean hideously expensive purchase price anyway
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the formula nowadays is the way RR and Iracing is doing it.Thats if you want the same game to last with support. Now if its a shit game ,forget it .
If its a good base sim ,then why not just build on that and realase content yearly or smaller pay  updates to it more frequently.
i think thats a great way to cater to anyone,especially if  youre picky about this car ,that car not to your liking ?
Buy only what you want and like .Juts my opinion on it , and i love how RR is still alive and kicking after all these years .
Base game was free .
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The thing with DLCs and expansions is that you risk to split the userbase too much. I think they should keep at least one car per class for free alongside all the countries, to make sure everyone can take part in leagues/events/multiplayer...

On a side note, the first F1 2018 Trailer dropped today, so probably the attention of Codies will be on that for some time
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Personally, I like Raceroom as a game and I don't have a massive issue with its business model, but charging for each livery is a step too far for me, especially as it incentivises them to prevent modding.

Personally, I like the way Project Cars 2 are doing it; base game with plenty of content and 4 packs over a year each with a predefined number of new cars and track(s).

Assetto Corsa's was varied, but their basic 'Dream Pack' approach was fine. IL2 Sturmovik I also like, where they have a base pack and then add different releases at full price that can each be used individually or together in one package (and updates cover the 'old' games too) with the occasional extra plane sold on its own when it complements an existing 'base' pack (this sentence is why I no longer work in marketing...).
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at the end of the day , dlc and packs show commitment to user base and customers  and guarantees the games future for longer than a year :)
you dont " have " to buy anything , but if you have the money and committed than go for it.
"closed" up unsupported games are NOT the future i think.

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at the end of the day , dlc and packs show commitment to user base and customers  and guarantees the games future for longer than a year :)
you dont " have " to buy anything , but if you have the money and committed than go for it.
"closed" up unsupported games are NOT the future i think.

Couldn't prove that to codemasters. They said before dirt 4 was launched then said fuck you guys. And decided this is the future. Behold the light that is ALL KNOWING code MASTERS! Masters of shit! That is.
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Jack4688 said:
I don’t like paying for a game as time goes on. I prefer to pay for the game all at once up front and then DLC should be free unless it’s a huge expansion.
I’d prefer paying the dev to add more content as time goes on, providing it is a game of the quality of DR. It’s worth it you like the look of what they’re offering and if not, you’re not obliged to buy it. I don’t see why it should be for free because they are afterall operating to make money and pay salaries etc. ‘For free’ would most likely mean hideously expensive purchase price anyway
We already spend $60 for a new game. That is why DLC should be free. If it’s a huge expansion I would understand a $20 price tag. I really like it when games do this like NFS 2015. No micro transaction and no DLC, it was all free cars and updates.
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er185 said:
New rallycross game confirmed!!!
 https://twitter.com/Kick_Up/status/999960650645426176
Well, this may, pretty much, sink the "WRC by Codemasters" theory. I highly doubt the WRC Promoter would want World RX mixed in with WRC.

Now, I hope it isn't a pure rallycross game. I hope it's a DiRT 5 or DiRT Rally 2 with RX as a discipline, but with a focus on rally, above all. Don't forget that rally is where most of your fans are, Codemasters. Try your best to secure a good selection of both modern and classic rally cars for your next endeavor.
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dirt3joe said:
That just looks like the scan of a car. Maybe for Rx in Dirt4.

Don't think there will be any announcement today from Codies - too late now.

Next thing to watch for - Monday 28th May.
You guys still consider DLC for DiRT 4 a possibility? It isn't going to happen this late. I'd be incredibly surprised if it did, mostly because I don't think it would sit 100% with the community. At this point, people are expecting something new, entirely.

My 2 cents of how things might be going: DiRT with Codemasters and V-Rally with BigBen. One will try to win over folks with better RX content and the other with better Rally content. Since I'm not that into RX, personally, the choice for me would be easy. However, this is just a thought of mine.
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dirt3joe said:
That just looks like the scan of a car. Maybe for Rx in Dirt4.

Don't think there will be any announcement today from Codies - too late now.

Next thing to watch for - Monday 28th May.
You guys still consider DLC for DiRT 4 a possibility? It isn't going to happen this late. I'd be incredibly surprised if it did, mostly because I don't think it would sit 100% with the community. At this point, people are expecting something new, entirely.

My 2 cents of how things might be going: DiRT with Codemasters and V-Rally with BigBen. One will try to win over folks with better RX content and the other with better Rally content. Since I'm not that into RX, personally, the choice for me would be easy. However, this is just a thought of mine.
No, I don't. DLC window for D4 ended a long time ago.
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KevM said:
But....  I thought they were merely sitting on their arses doing nothing at all??

Does this mean they are working on stuff???  

#codemastersareworkingonstuffconfirmed
Paul is obviously doing this for his own personal enjoyment.
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That is awesome I am super excited! I would love a full World RX calander and all the teams. I’m sure it will be a discipline along with Rally just this time they will make a full RX championship. Rallycross is awesome and growing in popularity everywhere.
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there are many ways to sell games.just because one is popular doesnt mean its the only way to do it. just look at fps games for a minute.

fortnite is free smashing most games. then you have battlefield charging through the teeth to play.both work.you just have to suit what works for your client base.
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KevM said:
But....  I thought they were merely sitting on their arses doing nothing at all??

Does this mean they are working on stuff???  

#codemastersareworkingonstuffconfirmed
Might as well be. There next game will be just like the last two. 6 months of some fun then they'll forget about it and have a cork in their ass mouth. 

#dontcareaboutnextgame
#dirt4emptypromises
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dirt3joe said:
That just looks like the scan of a car. Maybe for Rx in Dirt4.

Don't think there will be any announcement today from Codies - too late now.

Next thing to watch for - Monday 28th May.
I would be very surprised if they did not present anything new on Saturday in the Dirt World Championship stream where a lot of dirt fans are gathered. 
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mirk1983 said:
dirt3joe said:
That just looks like the scan of a car. Maybe for Rx in Dirt4.

Don't think there will be any announcement today from Codies - too late now.

Next thing to watch for - Monday 28th May.
I would be very surprised if they did not present anything new on Saturday in the Dirt World Championship stream where a lot of dirt fans are gathered. 
You are referring to the whopping 1,400 people that watched the semifinals? I do agree though that it's a great place and time for an announcement. 
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huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
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tbtstt said:
huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
Well, the rear-wing is certainly not correct, no hood vents, bumpers wrong, exhaust wrong. If that's a 2018 (or even 17) Polo RX and not just a re-skin, they need an eye check. So yes, they were scanning the livery.
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tbtstt said:
huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
It's still just the old Marklund Motorsport body with a PSRXVW Polo skin.


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tbtstt said:
huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
Well, the rear-wing is certainly not correct, no hood vents, bumpers wrong, exhaust wrong. If that's a 2018 (or even 17) Polo RX and not just a re-skin, they need an eye check. So yes, they were scanning the livery.
The rear wing is pretty close to the 2017 PSRX Polo GTI and they have covered over the rear radiator exhausts on the boot (I wonder if they have done the same for the radiator intakes on the side of the car as well?)

As you say, the bonnet is as per the Marklund car, as is the exhaust, so it looks like it is just a reskin!
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tbtstt said:
tbtstt said:
huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
Well, the rear-wing is certainly not correct, no hood vents, bumpers wrong, exhaust wrong. If that's a 2018 (or even 17) Polo RX and not just a re-skin, they need an eye check. So yes, they were scanning the livery.
The rear wing is pretty close to the 2017 PSRX Polo GTI and they have covered over the rear radiator exhausts on the boot (I wonder if they have done the same for the radiator intakes on the side of the car as well?)

As you say, the bonnet is as per the Marklund car, as is the exhaust, so it looks like it is just a reskin!
Yep, it’s a reskin of the DiRT4 model for the DiRT4 eSports Final. 

The scan was because Silverstone is 45minutes from our office so it made sense to do it yesterday than to travel to Germany to get it at VW
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KickUp said:
tbtstt said:
tbtstt said:
huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
Well, the rear-wing is certainly not correct, no hood vents, bumpers wrong, exhaust wrong. If that's a 2018 (or even 17) Polo RX and not just a re-skin, they need an eye check. So yes, they were scanning the livery.
The rear wing is pretty close to the 2017 PSRX Polo GTI and they have covered over the rear radiator exhausts on the boot (I wonder if they have done the same for the radiator intakes on the side of the car as well?)

As you say, the bonnet is as per the Marklund car, as is the exhaust, so it looks like it is just a reskin!
Yep, it’s a reskin of the DiRT4 model for the DiRT4 eSports Final. 

The scan was because Silverstone is 45minutes from our office so it made sense to do it yesterday than to travel to Germany to get it at VW
Cheers for the confirmation @KickUp! 
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KickUp said:
tbtstt said:
tbtstt said:
huh would you look at that
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/status/1000108364834144256

So wait a minute... that scanning was to put the car in DiRT 4 for the final? We really don't know anything...
Not sure. @KickUp has previously stated that the process of developing new cars takes considerable time, I can't believe they have scanned and implemented that in an afternoon (unless the scan was purely for the livery) 

I am really curious as to whether this is a new car, or just a reskinned DiRT 4 Polo. The back end looks like the 2017 PSRXVW Polo, but the bonnet is wrong and I can't make out if you can still see a radiator in the back of the car. 
Well, the rear-wing is certainly not correct, no hood vents, bumpers wrong, exhaust wrong. If that's a 2018 (or even 17) Polo RX and not just a re-skin, they need an eye check. So yes, they were scanning the livery.
The rear wing is pretty close to the 2017 PSRX Polo GTI and they have covered over the rear radiator exhausts on the boot (I wonder if they have done the same for the radiator intakes on the side of the car as well?)

As you say, the bonnet is as per the Marklund car, as is the exhaust, so it looks like it is just a reskin!
Yep, it’s a reskin of the DiRT4 model for the DiRT4 eSports Final. 

The scan was because Silverstone is 45minutes from our office so it made sense to do it yesterday than to travel to Germany to get it at VW
Cheers for the confirmation @KickUp!
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To be honest I'd like to see a Dirt Rally 2. Codemasters has a strong relationship with Volkswagen and that could mean that they bring a Volkswagen Polo R WRC 2017 with its livery. Volkswagen is going to reveal its Polo R WRC 2017 this year. 
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lskill said:
To be honest I'd like to see a Dirt Rally 2. Codemasters has a strong relationship with Volkswagen and that could mean that they bring a Volkswagen Polo R WRC 2017 with its livery. Volkswagen is going to reveal its Polo R WRC 2017 this year. 
I have no idea what you just said?
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lskill said:
To be honest I'd like to see a Dirt Rally 2. Codemasters has a strong relationship with Volkswagen and that could mean that they bring a Volkswagen Polo R WRC 2017 with its livery. Volkswagen is going to reveal its Polo R WRC 2017 this year. 
You do realize VW no longer competes in the top class, right? There's no such thing as a VW Polo R WRC 2017 or 2018. And why would they present a 2017 model in 2018, anyway? Are you referring to their new Polo R5? Because that's the only rally-related car coming out of VW now and that is not a WRC.
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https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/volkswagen-planning-reveal-for-2017-polo-1002016/ 



This is their abandoned project. I admit I didn't know about this piece of news, but you made it sound like some kind of official return by VW. This is just a "what could have been" by VW.

EDIT: I'll tell you something though. If Codemasters don't make WRC, here's a way to get a recent WRC-spec car without the crazy licensing hoops. If they grab this and the C3, like Ubisoft did, we'd be good.
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lskill said:
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/volkswagen-planning-reveal-for-2017-polo-1002016/ 



This is their abandoned project. I admit I didn't know about this piece of news, but you made it sound like some kind of official return by VW. This is just a "what could have been" by VW.

EDIT: I'll tell you something though. If Codemasters don't make WRC, here's a way to get a recent WRC-spec car without the crazy licensing hoops. If they grab this and the C3, like Ubisoft did, we'd be good.
Ubisoft got Meeke's C3, just as he's been fired from the WRC, awkward!
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