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I have said this in previous conversations on the subject, but I am yet to play a racing game where the interior camera feels anything like being in a real car.

I am sure that my TV setup is a factor: if I had triple monitors (or VR), then the onboard camera would seem better, but with a single monitor I don't have anywhere near the same range of vision as I do in a car.

I use bonnet camera in most driving game as it gives you a fairly similar representation of the peripheries of the car compared to real life and you get a similar range of vision. 
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you can mod games and if you have the tech money to have it as realistic as you want. the problem is most people dont have the amount of money or tech to do so.

just play how you want. i play in all ways. just depends on which game it is and how i want to play. if its a casual car game or on console probably play third person with controller. serious incar if the cams good enough or mainly bonnet/hood view.

its no harder in any if you get used to it.its just what you prefer.
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Porkhammer  in the documentary loeb his wife said that they were training on his simulator in his house and was training on real simulator to prepare the pikes peak with the 208 in cokpit view to be used to the sunburn and turns in dead zone video or we see loeb on dirt 4 in the final does not mean anything he tried the game and the steering wheel was set to be comfortable in the game because it turns less his steering wheel in dirt 4 if you look at the loeb onboard in WRX on Tv he uses a lot the handbrake and turns a lot more his steering wheel

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gk9147 said:
 MrDeap  maybe but me what makes me laugh is when I hear simracer who want to become pilots while they do not drive in good view personally I would like to see competitions e-sport official (GT, pcars ..... ) with the view cokpit it would be more interesting to watch and especially more serious ( I sometimes watch races on iracing except racing nascar turn round is annoying)


Racing sim is a tool for making setup & analyze placebo inputs. Removing the HUD contradict the use of a racing simulator. 

Experiment different views,  explore the track in all sort of angles & even drive the track in reverse is beneficial to get good result. Only limiting to cockpit view will limit your performance of your spatial visualization of the track. (although, it's definitely not the right way to play a rally game :P)

Changing the FOV only increase some placebo inputs due to bad 3d spatial awareness

http://racingcardynamics.com/lap-time-simulation-to-dil/
"Therefore, the users of this tool must have an understanding of how it works, what it can and what it can’t do."

Racing simulator mostly about how driving is like and attempted to base that handling and steering on it & you should profit around that idea.

None of racing simulator are very accurate, although trying all of them will decrease the chance of bad respond of the placebo(including Mario Kart which is a sim). 

In my opinion racing sim are great to learn new tracks. Exploiting the handling with the same car on a single track is not an ideal way to use of a racing simulator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1hNgZw3KA4

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gk9147 said:
Porkhammer  in the documentary loeb his wife said that they were training on his simulator in his house and was training on real simulator to prepare the pikes peak with the 208 in cokpit view to be used to the sunburn and turns in dead zone video or we see loeb on dirt 4 in the final does not mean anything he tried the game and the steering wheel was set to be comfortable in the game because it turns less his steering wheel in dirt 4 if you look at the loeb onboard in WRX on Tv he uses a lot the handbrake and turns a lot more his steering wheel

Punctuation, dude. Commas. Your post is a mess to read. Not that I can make sense of it anyway.

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MrDeap said:
There's no correct view. You just use the view you prefer.
 
Valentino Rossi using 3rd person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bj3ZLDBCdY
On an unrelated note, the speaker placement on that rig is awful. The left, center, and right speakers are like 4 inches from each other.
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carpa said:
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KevM said:
& that, my friends, is why Ken Block is a ****
Uh.... why exactly?
Well, destroying an Escort Cossie is a pretty damn bad crime in my books...
It's sad to see a Group A EscCos get killed, but at least it went out being used for what it was built for rather than gathering dust in a museum. 
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Plenty of classic rally cars are showcased and driven in anger often.  They make it home after the day out.  He’s just a slabber, he tried to blame the gearbox too....  & why no plumbed fire-extinguisher?
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I don’t know why he keeps blaming the gearbox, yeah it did downshift strangely, but he was already on the line where he was going to hit that rock on the inside before that happened.

The fire couldn’t have been helped though, although I do question why they didn’t appear to have any fire extinguishers? I’ve heard someone say plumbed in extinguishers are not mandatory in rally America, which is madness! Not sure if it would have actually stopped this fire, but now we will never know
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I don’t know why he keeps blaming the gearbox, yeah it did downshift strangely, but he was already on the line where he was going to hit that rock on the inside before that happened.

The fire couldn’t have been helped though, although I do question why they didn’t appear to have any fire extinguishers? I’ve heard someone say plumbed in extinguishers are not mandatory in rally America, which is madness! Not sure if it would have actually stopped this fire, but now we will never know
I have always understood that plumbed in fire systems are there to buy the crew more time, not extinguish the fire. 
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I don’t know why he keeps blaming the gearbox, yeah it did downshift strangely, but he was already on the line where he was going to hit that rock on the inside before that happened.

The fire couldn’t have been helped though, although I do question why they didn’t appear to have any fire extinguishers? I’ve heard someone say plumbed in extinguishers are not mandatory in rally America, which is madness! Not sure if it would have actually stopped this fire, but now we will never know
I have always understood that plumbed in fire systems are there to buy the crew more time, not extinguish the fire. 
Pretty much, they will put out a small fire possibly, but to be honest once you get a fire it is usually incredibly difficult to put out. On the Nicky Grist Stages last weekend we passed a R2 Fiesta burned out in the road section, which would have had a well built in extinguisher, but still completely burned out
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tbtstt said:
carpa said:
JZStudios said:
KevM said:
& that, my friends, is why Ken Block is a ****
Uh.... why exactly?
Well, destroying an Escort Cossie is a pretty damn bad crime in my books...
It's sad to see a Group A EscCos get killed, but at least it went out being used for what it was built for rather than gathering dust in a museum. 
That particular car was driven in 1996 by Chris Holowczyc, former European Rally Champion (he also got an offer to drive for Subaru as a test driver after few impressive drives in WRC, but didn't accept that offer). Too bad it burned :(
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Looks like ONRUSH didn't impress. Most of the ex-Evolution team has been let go: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-23-layoffs-onrush-developer-evolution-driveclub-director-rushy-let-go
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sad but couldnt see any reason to make the title in the first place. look whats hot ? rally , f1 . seemed a weird project especially when all the big players are only sticking to " brands " . all in just didnt work. i dont get why they didnt do what they were best at and do a similar project to the last one. then again maybe that was too much risk money vs reward to do.


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Looks like ONRUSH didn't impress. Most of the ex-Evolution team has been let go: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-23-layoffs-onrush-developer-evolution-driveclub-director-rushy-let-go
Well, I'm sure marketing it as a regular racer from the get-go didn't help. They didn't say anything about the game modes before it was too late. Good job Codemasters, really worked out well for you.
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Yeah, that really sucks. Really got to suck to have your company close up, be bought by someone else, then close again after only 1 project.
I do kind of agree though, there is a market for arcade racers but I don't think Onrush was quite the right move. I saw some review somewhere where the guy said he couldn't tell what exactly him or his his team were doing to "win." The whole presentation was slick, but the gameplay was muddy. I didn't buy into it for various reasons, but maybe they should've remade something like Motorstorm or reignited Grid.
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er185 said:

Dakar 18 Gameplay

Body is 23 characters too short.

Physics are wonky looking, but I have to give credit to the developers.  Much like DiRT Rally, they are putting their heart into this and really trying to make a different kind of game.  If it drives good (doesn't have to be perfect) I'll buy it just to support their effort.  I want to see this kind of game succeed.  Hope their are saves allowed in the middle of a stage - 1 hr or more is a long time for me to commit anymore.  
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er185 said:

Dakar 18 Gameplay

Body is 23 characters too short.

Woah, woah, woah, local split screen? In 2018? In a racing sim?
Best racing game of the century.

To be real though, local split screen is awesome, it really needs to come back. It looks good, as long as the physics aren't horrible like the Crew it really seems like something you can explore in and do at your own pace while still having a goal, unlike the Crew...
Still a bit concerned it could just be a very large very open world with not much to see though, but it's cool that you can tow out your teammates that get stuck.
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Dakar 18 is day 1 purchase for me. I only do day 1 with racing games to support the devs in this dying niche. I am not expecting much from the physics in Dakar 18. It has long been shaping up to be, and was even confirmed by Paolo in a TeamVVV interview the other day, a navigational simulator rather than a driving simulator. I like the idea of putting the emphasis on navigation and the difficulty of a unique event like the Dakar rally. It's a different approach to racing games. If physics and graphics and gameplay are better than I expected that will just be a bonus. For me, it looks good and different enough as-is to warrant a purchase.
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mr deap valentino rossi is good bike driver but not good car driver lol ( after you go show me peter solberg on dirt 4  :D ) or scott speed in iracing  :D :D  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lgrf887OS8
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Rant...
I just noticed that all my post are completely hidden to public in /simracing reddit, just because the admin disagree. It almost feel like sim racing as a whole is full of insecure players, because I used a funny reference about getting into racing level is about not driving realistically.

Well aside from that... I don't see any reason for a real race driver to take sim racing seriously. He probably was into some sort of party or just drunk... Who know...

I'm more ashamed of the person who made the video, than the real race car driver that had his share of fun.
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gk9147 said:
mr deap valentino rossi is good bike driver but not good car driver lol ( after you go show me peter solberg on dirt 4  :D ) or scott speed in iracing  :D :D  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lgrf887OS8
I would disagree with regards to Rossi: he has been involved with rallying for over a decade now. He regularly appears at the Monza Rally Show and he is always among the fastest drivers: in fact he once beat Colin McRae there! 
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MrDeap said:
I don't see any reason for a real race driver to take sim racing seriously. He probably was into some sort of party or just drunk... Who know...

I'm more ashamed of the person who made the video, than the real race car driver that had his share of fun.
The Speed dude had been wrecking people for a while, so it wasn't just a "some sort of party or drunk" scenario. How you would consider the thing "fun" I cannot possibly fathom. The guy is a douche, simple as.

Mind, he's not a douche for not taking a simracing game seriously. Each to their own. He's a douche for being disrespectful towards people who actually do put the time and effort into becoming good, working hard on increasing their IR and SR and whatnot. How many hours has he ruined for others simply because he got bored? There's some footage of his wrecking in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQh5O2RG4CQ

So yeah. Not a very nice person. If racing online in a sim is so boring for him, he shouldn't even participate.

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Dakar got my attention. I noticed little details like a proper cockpit cam position (not glued to dashboard like in most games), navigation, and nice big terrain. What I am worried about are... physics as always. Suspension and car mass seem to be WIP (I mean they are, but I am not so sure if a revamp will come, or just a small fixes will be applied)  so I hope those get addressed. I am keeping my eye on this tittle, if it gets nice car behavior I am buying it for sure!
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The Speed dude had been wrecking people for a while, so it wasn't just a "some sort of party or drunk" scenario. How you would consider the thing "fun" I cannot possibly fathom. The guy is a douche, simple as. 

So yeah. Not a very nice person. If racing online in a sim is so boring for him, he shouldn't even participate.
Weird the video actually claim he's a fairly clean gamer for the most part at 3:34. 
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MrDeap said:
The Speed dude had been wrecking people for a while, so it wasn't just a "some sort of party or drunk" scenario. How you would consider the thing "fun" I cannot possibly fathom. The guy is a douche, simple as. 

So yeah. Not a very nice person. If racing online in a sim is so boring for him, he shouldn't even participate.
Weird the video actually claim he's a fairly clean gamer for the most part at 3:34. 
...until he started acting like a douche. All downhill from there.
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Dakar 18 is day 1 purchase for me. I only do day 1 with racing games to support the devs in this dying niche. I am not expecting much from the physics in Dakar 18. It has long been shaping up to be, and was even confirmed by Paolo in a TeamVVV interview the other day, a navigational simulator rather than a driving simulator. I like the idea of putting the emphasis on navigation and the difficulty of a unique event like the Dakar rally. It's a different approach to racing games. If physics and graphics and gameplay are better than I expected that will just be a bonus. For me, it looks good and different enough as-is to warrant a purchase.
Definitely more interesting this year, as in 2019 it'll only be in one country! I wonder if it'll ever come back to Paris-Dakar ever, or whether the ISIS threat means that's long gone?
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In no longer related DiRT news, I just learned that the... well a head audio guy anyways from CM left late last year and went on to join forces with BeamNG, which desperately needed an audio upgrade.

I asked him what he worked on at CM, at made some comments about this video.
https://youtu.be/i2vkpVgOfZA
"All of them. I started at CM late 2007 when GRID was going alpha. It was not in a good state sound wise, so we had 6 months (including having a baby) to get it shipable. That gave me the opportunity to identify most of the issues at CM. Bad car recordings, out of date engine synthesis, backwards implementation tools etc... so then my plan over the next 3 years was to increase those, so then led the sound design on DiRT2/3 and F1...then I took more of an overview of everything we worked on... until doing the music for F1 15/16/17 and then leaving.

We you do have the rocks hitting the wheel-arches. which is the same effect as hitting the floor. You'll obviously get a lot more of that when the wheels are slipping.

The impact system will be re-written.. I just wanted to replace the single sample we were using previously."
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As far as I see the physics of Dakar 18 which i saw in some other youtube videos, the car and truck physics seem quite ok. They still working hard on it. But seeing the MINI aquaplanning on water looks quite good and promosing. Also that the AI can get lost, get stuck in mud, help others, etc. can be very fun, especially if they could have a good online system. For me probably also a day one buy, to support the developer and especially their vision they have.
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dgeesi0 said:
id really like to give it a try but not at £40.
This. Never ever again after what Codies did with D4. 
I will pay £40 happily after I am convinced it is a finished product with proper physics, because updates might never come XD
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dgeesi0 said:
id really like to give it a try but not at £40.

SamRWD said:
dgeesi0 said:
id really like to give it a try but not at £40.
This. Never ever again after what Codies did with D4. 
I will pay £40 happily after I am convinced it is a finished product with proper physics, because updates might never come XD
I was 100% convinced they'd fix Dirt 4. :(
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SamRWD said:
dgeesi0 said:
id really like to give it a try but not at £40.
This. Never ever again after what Codies did with D4. 
I will pay £40 happily after I am convinced it is a finished product with proper physics, because updates might never come XD

With you 100%. I've never pre ordered a game before but the experience with DR was so good that I was expecting it to be supported beyond that. More fool me (Codies have no obligation to), but my fingers have definitely been burned off pre orders.
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SamRWD said:
dgeesi0 said:
id really like to give it a try but not at £40.
This. Never ever again after what Codies did with D4. 
I will pay £40 happily after I am convinced it is a finished product with proper physics, because updates might never come XD

With you 100%. I've never pre ordered a game before but the experience with DR was so good that I was expecting it to be supported beyond that. More fool me (Codies have no obligation to), but my fingers have definitely been burned off pre orders.
IMHO DiRT Rally was Paul's Opus, after a career of working on rally, this was about everything he ever wanted in a game.  We all know there were struggles in getting it produced and I am sure many internal that we will never know.  Codies was in a financial crisis (huge layoffs) may not be here if they didn't get bought out.  I hope we are not comparing everything from here forward to DR glory.  I'm hoping there will be something that eclipses it, someday.
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