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KickUp said:
Cool, not going to promise anything but its good to know what you are wanting.

It seems that @gfRally would like a GTA5 style director mode :)  I also think it would have been awesome to place cameras where you want them and adjust lens parameters and camera settings. 

I guess it comes down to personal preference whether one would pick such a custom replay feature over other new additions such as a rally school or stages with dynamic conditions (ruts, sweeping).

Back to the Gossip: I also had some hopes that the team would show some Rallycross gameplay at Lydden Hill this weekend, but perhaps it's just not ready yet.

Are any of the team members going to do any sound recordings or telemetry on the cars? @KickUp 
Here's a question for you then and it's part of the problem that we face internally.

If you could have a camera mode thing like a few of suggested or say a rally school are that we could use for lots of things which one would you want?  
Am I greedy if I say both?
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Azoresst said:
Yeah, I mentioned that before, you can quite easily work out one of the locations and guess the other. I all ready know, so me telling would be cheating!
Finland and Germany? ;)
And hopefully Sweden for the winter wonderland :)
I hope for Norway over Sweden. But the again we would miss Collin's crest if we went to Norway 
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KCSmoke said:

So my question is why not release anything Codies? I've seen what you have, I've played it and whatever you decide to show will only be impressive and loved by fans of your game... 

Exactly. Their marketing strategy for DiRT 4...or lack thereof baffles me!
The hype is real.

Hype for DiRT 4 is nonexistent.

I think you're still a cool dude.

Feel free to start the DiRT 4 hype...3...2...1...anytime now.

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Milestone have launched a new gameplay video for Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOOzCPzkEE
Looking good tho, but my bet's still on Dirt Rally for best rally game :)

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I personally don't mind the FFB delay. I'd rather see it done properly than being released early and not 100% done. :)

EDIT: Also, must one have a Twitter account to participate in the DTL thing? I really don't want one.
Probably not, but then there is the DiRT forum league. Check out the leagues section. Hasn't been a lot of activity on there lately though. Think @justbiglee  has forgotten about it

I've been busy I'm sorry :(
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I personally don't mind the FFB delay. I'd rather see it done properly than being released early and not 100% done. :)

EDIT: Also, must one have a Twitter account to participate in the DTL thing? I really don't want one.
Probably not, but then there is the DiRT forum league. Check out the leagues section. Hasn't been a lot of activity on there lately though. Think @justbiglee  has forgotten about it

I've been busy I'm sorry :(
Busy is good 
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Azoresst said:
Yeah, I mentioned that before, you can quite easily work out one of the locations and guess the other. I all ready know, so me telling would be cheating!
Finland and Germany? ;)
And hopefully Sweden for the winter wonderland :)
I hope for Norway over Sweden. But the again we would miss Collin's crest if we went to Norway 
Both might make it.
Pay attention around Pikes Peak and you'll see quite a few Norwegian  and Swedish flags dotted amongst the spectators as you climb up.
Not much point in putting those in the game if we won't be going there, unless it's a deliberate red herring that will be removed/replaced further down the line. 
Which would be a bit wasteful since it would mean a patch containing the whole Pikes Peak texture archives to swap out one or two texture maps.
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TPJP said:
Milestone have launched a new gameplay video for Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOOzCPzkEE
Looking good tho, but my bet's still on Dirt Rally for best rally game :)

Interesting, the circuit in the rallycross clips look very much like the 2012 X-Games (Los Angeles) track.

Still on the fence for Seb Loeb Rally: I'm not writing it off, but I'm not that excited for it at present!
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tbtstt said:
TPJP said:
Milestone have launched a new gameplay video for Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOOzCPzkEE
Looking good tho, but my bet's still on Dirt Rally for best rally game :)

Interesting, the circuit in the rallycross clips look very much like the 2012 X-Games (Los Angeles) track.

Still on the fence for Seb Loeb Rally: I'm not writing it off, but I'm not that excited for it at present!
Definitely looks like a step up in the art department. Terrain seems presented a little flat..maybe because the last title was all in 2nd gear.
I loved watching Seb drive clean lines in the last X-games while everyone else was losing in Gymkhana mode (drifting). 
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I see no reason to buy SebLoeb, seeing this video and how the cars seem unattached to the environment or planted on the ground.  Car handeling looks really bad (what you can take from a video, are they still driving with keyboard?).  I like competition and more options, but Im not really excited at the moment either.
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TPJP said:
Milestone have launched a new gameplay video for Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOOzCPzkEE
Looking good tho, but my bet's still on Dirt Rally for best rally game :)

It doesn't look too bad from the art side of things, but I can't just shake off the feeling that handling will be average at best... I know that judging handling from the video is tricky, but if someone showed me a good run in DiRT Rally and I've never heard of such a game I think my reaction would be 'Holy  f*** that looks awesome and very authentic! Love the detail of the stages such as uneven surface, camber and rocks... Take my money.'

With SLRE it looks as 'oh it's another of those games where the car motion looks a bit funny, but not quite right - I'll get it when it's on sale' ... It looks as if Milestone went for all things Seb Loeb with the LA X-Games track. My preference is definitely with what Codies want to do - model real and proper RX tracks. 

It's good to see some gameplay, but now after playing DiRT Rally Milestone know the bar in rally simulation has been set very high... Especially with the new FFB...
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Because Citroen Racing wasn't a catchy enough name. I do hope that's not an exclusive DS3 license though!

Any new WRC5 news? Can't say I'm too hopeful about that one either, but it has far more unknowns.
Kt Games have a place in the Rally Sardegna service park for the public to try out their WRC 5 game, but they wont't reveal any gameplay video for the internet atm. Also no one recorded the gamaplay there, afaik.

Pic from their facebook.
They will very likely show the game at E3 in a couple of days so we'll see something very soon.
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Still waiting for the update made me think that I would like more information from Codemasters regarding updates/patches. It would be great if they could inform us, if not everyday then at least every second day, about the state of the updates. The way you released the early access version of DiRT Rally worked fine as "it's out guys, have fun" but I personally would like to be a bit more informed about how the updates are coming along now we actually have access to the game :)

Just something that came to my mind :)
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The DiRTy Devs are pretty quiet these days so they must be hard at word, readying the FFB patch for a roll out.

Or, they're catching up on E3 news... ;] 

Perhaps some of you wander over to the dark side of the forum, F1 side that is, and have noticed how little official info/footage was released for F1 2015. I think press embargo on F1 2015 is lifted later today so we could perhaps see Codies' next-gen engine in action.

Maybe some of the visuals trickery and solutions will one make it over to the DiRTy side. Then again the more I play DiRT Rally the more I like the graphics and lighting. The mood in environments (washed out and piercing sun in Greece, frosty air in Monaco and moody Wales) is so varied and there's plenty of detail to admire.

Lately I've also been playing in cockpit view and the interiors are fantastic. SLRE will look different to DiRT Rally, maybe a bit more crisp but it will have nowhere near as much of attention to environment detail. They'll have some texture water puddles, but I'll doubt they would be physical - they'll just look like water.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that after spending quite a few hours with DiRT Rally over the weekend (I was testing something...) I've fallen in love again :)
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The DiRTy Devs are pretty quiet these days so they must be hard at word, readying the FFB patch for a roll out.

Or, they're catching up on E3 news... ;] 

Perhaps some of you wander over to the dark side of the forum, F1 side that is, and have noticed how little official info/footage was released for F1 2015. I think press embargo on F1 2015 is lifted later today so we could perhaps see Codies' next-gen engine in action.

Maybe some of the visuals trickery and solutions will one make it over to the DiRTy side. Then again the more I play DiRT Rally the more I like the graphics and lighting. The mood in environments (washed out and piercing sun in Greece, frosty air in Monaco and moody Wales) is so varied and there's plenty of detail to admire.

Lately I've also been playing in cockpit view and the interiors are fantastic. SLRE will look different to DiRT Rally, maybe a bit more crisp but it will have nowhere near as much of attention to environment detail. They'll have some texture water puddles, but I'll doubt they would be physical - they'll just look like water.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say after spending quite a few hours with DiRT Rally over the weekend (I was testing something...) I've fallen in love again :)


I really can't use cockpit view, the lack of matching steering wheel animation kills the immersion for me. Dashcam works better for me. In the future I hope we can remove wheel/hands and move the cam fwd/back/left/right.


The waiting for the FFB patch is really killing me.  I'm so eager! :)

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The DiRTy Devs are pretty quiet these days so they must be hard at word, readying the FFB patch for a roll out.

Or, they're catching up on E3 news... ;] 

Perhaps some of you wander over to the dark side of the forum, F1 side that is, and have noticed how little official info/footage was released for F1 2015. I think press embargo on F1 2015 is lifted later today so we could perhaps see Codies' next-gen engine in action.

Maybe some of the visuals trickery and solutions will one make it over to the DiRTy side. Then again the more I play DiRT Rally the more I like the graphics and lighting. The mood in environments (washed out and piercing sun in Greece, frosty air in Monaco and moody Wales) is so varied and there's plenty of detail to admire.

Lately I've also been playing in cockpit view and the interiors are fantastic. SLRE will look different to DiRT Rally, maybe a bit more crisp but it will have nowhere near as much of attention to environment detail. They'll have some texture water puddles, but I'll doubt they would be physical - they'll just look like water.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that after spending quite a few hours with DiRT Rally over the weekend (I was testing something...) I've fallen in love again :)
Yes would be good to see the engine in action on next gen :)
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SLRE to have 60 cars in game, Citroen Xsara revealed: http://sebastienloebrallyevo.com/released-the-third-screen-batch/

Well, that's quite a lot of cars, I wonder if Dirt Rally will have a similar number...
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TPJP said:
SLRE to have 60 cars in game, Citroen Xsara revealed: http://sebastienloebrallyevo.com/released-the-third-screen-batch/

Well, that's quite a lot of cars, I wonder if Dirt Rally will have a similar number...
Quality over quantity.

I don't have much faith in SLRE to be brutally honest.
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Maybe it'll get a Xsara eventually, I hope so xD (Milestone's model appears to have some odd proportions to it anyway)
However about the 60 cars, if they handle all the same than it's better having quality over quantity.
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TPJP said:
Maybe it'll get a Xsara eventually, I hope so xD (Milestone's model appears to have some odd proportions to it anyway)
However about the 60 cars, if they handle all the same than it's better having quality over quantity.
Actually you're right about the proportions.. When really looking at it, it looks like it should be lower and wider. Compare these:

SLRE:
http://sebastienloebrallyevo.com/wp-content/uploads/SLRE_Citroen_Xsara_2003_01.jpg

Real:
http://bestcars.uol.com.br/carros/walpaper3/Citroen_Xsara_WRC_2004_Loeb_1024.jpg

Or maybe we're just blind haha :wink: 
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Jepsertti said:
TPJP said:
Maybe it'll get a Xsara eventually, I hope so xD (Milestone's model appears to have some odd proportions to it anyway)
However about the 60 cars, if they handle all the same than it's better having quality over quantity.
Actually you're right about the proportions.. When really looking at it, it looks like it should be lower and wider. Compare these:

SLRE:
http://sebastienloebrallyevo.com/wp-content/uploads/SLRE_Citroen_Xsara_2003_01.jpg

Real:
http://bestcars.uol.com.br/carros/walpaper3/Citroen_Xsara_WRC_2004_Loeb_1024.jpg

Or maybe we're just blind haha :wink: 
The front bumper and hood grills are larger than in real life, along with other details like side panels. Also the back looks more squared in the game, in real life looks more rounded, photo: http://robson.m3rlin.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/citroen-xsara-wrc-rally-montecarlo-2006-1.jpg, game: http://sebastienloebrallyevo.com/wp-content/uploads/SLRE_Citroen_Xsara_2003_02.jpg

In their previous WRC games some cars have wierd proportions, biggest ofenders for example are the DS3 R3T (http://www.nogripracing.com/files/screens/2013/11/full/108923.jpg, front looks different) and 207 S2000 (http://efemer.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/WRC4-2014-01-25-11-03-42-94.jpg). CM make way, way better car models.

Pretty sure we are seeing it right :)





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macebig said:
I think that at the end of the year Dirt Rally will have a similar number of cars as SLRE.
Just like the guys above my preference is definitely with quality. 

All that chat with games like GT or Forza having +500 cars was always getting on my nerves, as driving some tiny Japanese city car or 10 different Skylines is not that fun... Polyphony had more cash than brains at times..

During my visit at Codies the guys did give us an idea of what to expect: iconic selection of cars with their characters authentically captured. So far the devs have showed with DiRT Rally that they have listened and with cars it won't be any different.

I also got an idea how much work car handling designers do to make each car feel different, while being balanced with others in its category. It's no fluke that the cars in DiRT Rally are so distinctive. With much improved car handling just getting the parameters into the game goes a long way to make the car realistic, but there's always plenty of tinkering to fine tune it.

Will SLRE handling physics allow them to make cars feel and behave differently or will the have to 'fudge' the numbers? I guess we'll find out later this year, but by then DiRT Rally will have lots added to it and improved. 

I guess console-only players are hoping that SLRE turns out well. I hope it does and it sells as that would give one more reason to bring DiRTy stuff to PS4 and XB1
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MBColin said:
austinb said:
Force Feedback Update is here!! https://www.dirtgame.com/uk/blog/4718
So so great news... And when is it arrives? Tomorrow? At the end of the month with Tarmac Terrors Update too?
Fiat Abarth 1080º degrees? What we have to do with a wheel that has only 900º degrees?
Many questions thown to the air... 
Watch Bettalines video and I think you'll have the awnser.
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I have zero faith in SLRE, it's made by Milestone.  I played their WRC 2-4 games and they are horrid.  Terrible stages with no character and a hairpin every 3 seconds, wide/short stages, generic/arcadey as hell car handling, terrible wheel/pedal support/ffb, ugly graphics, and abysmal sound.  They had 4 takes with the WRC license and failed miserably everytime.  From what I've seen of the "gameplay" videos it looks almost identical to past WRC titles.  Says "work in progress, physics not implemented"  LOL, they did the same shit with the WRC games and then it looked, sounded and played just like the horrible trailers showcased a couple months prior.  Physics not implemented, a couple months till release.  Lelzzz

Anyways, this is a thread about DiRT Rally, a game/sim that has brought me back to sim racing after a 2 year break  and totally changed my view on Codemasters.  CM are heading in the absolute right direction with DR and I couldn't be happier about that, I have dreamed of a new rally sim like this for a long, long time.  Screw Milestone who has done nothing but F us over time and time again, and WRC 5 made by a bunch of hacks that haven't produced anything other than 3$ bargain bin crapfest titles.

I'm 100% behind DiRT Rally.  They are listening to the community and making changes based on the consumer base feedback, which is fantastic.  Bring on the FFB overhaul, new stages/content!  Release the krakken!!!
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@griev0r  
I think compared to DR all other Rally games will need to put 
"work in progress, physics not implemented" on their box, or just use that in the tag line.  
:smile: 

I hope the others the best, variety is nice and sometimes 
innovative, but I don't think it will come from these guys.  
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Now here is some gossip worthy news!

http://www.virtualr.net/porsche-breaking-free-least

EA's exclusive Porsche license will expire in 2016.  Could it be possible that we could see a Porsche DLC pack for DiRT Rally next year sometime.  I can just imagine a 959 in some sort of desert event or a new GT3 (Tuttel Racing version) possibly in the upcoming Germany event.

Well I can dream can't I :smile:   
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The only thing that I liked from WRC franchise (Milestone) was the carrer mode from 3/4. Starting in the Junior championship and getting contracts from WRC 3 then 2 then top teams was really good. If CM do something like the idea from @ThierryNeuville I would be really pleased!
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